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Dead Moroz
11-03-2003, 15:29
I noticed that even if you limit ammo computer's units don't care about it. Thay just shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
So I decided to do not limit ammo. Maybe it is unreal but it's fair.
Hope in RTW this option will have an effect on computer too, not only on your units.
The AI have the same limit as you. Units like crossbows or arbalesters seems like shooting forever because they have slower reload.
CBR
NewJeffCT
11-03-2003, 15:58
I always limit ammo, but I mod the unit file to increase the amount available to all missile units - standard archers (bowyer) get 42; better archers (bowyer's workshop) get 48; even better (guild) get 52; and anything requiring a master bowyer (pavise arbs, janissary archers, bulgarian brigands) get 58.
I know that what I say is unpopular, but I don't limited a ammo. I play MTW from September 2002 and the first year I was played with limited ammo, but then I discovered that non limited ammo is very useful in battle with thousands enemy leading by AI. You know this neverending battles, when waves of spermens, archers or peasants arrives
and you must withdraw missile units because lack of ammo and call fresh units.
In others, normal in size, battles missile units have only limited use and unlimited ammo are useless.
Dead Moroz
11-03-2003, 16:28
Quote[/b] (CBR @ Nov. 03 2003,08:33)]The AI have the same limit as you. Units like crossbows or arbalesters seems like shooting forever because they have slower reload.
In my defencive battle enemy use archers to weaken my troops before main attack. I answer by my archers. And ammo of my archers always ends (if I use limit ammo option). But the same enemy's squadron can stand and shoot as long as computer wants (does he cheats?). Maybe my archers are professionals and they shoot faster than those enemy's dilettante archers?
Eastside Character
11-03-2003, 16:39
The AI has the same limit as you Dead Moroz, and sooner or later you will have to accept this. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif Oh, and I always limit the ammo.
cutepuppy
11-03-2003, 16:52
I have limited ammo on, but i changed the number of arrows (only arrows, not the javelins). Archers (mounted and foot) have 48 arrows, xbows and arbalests have 40 arrows, skirmishers (janissary infantry, futuwwa, nizari, hashishin, golden horde warriors) have 24 arrows.
juststeve
11-03-2003, 19:57
It never occured to me to take the missle limits off. I dont often use archers, I tend to use light cav to run them off. Perhaps it wouldn't be such a moot point on Expert difficulty level. On Normal, archers dont seem to be very useful.
Derfal Cadarn
11-03-2003, 21:00
Have to admit to always playing with limited ammo and never noticed that my troops have used their arrows before the enemies, altho as im still learning the game ive only just started playing on normal difficulty, having now felt that ive come proficient on easy (altho i did get thrashed when playing the italians the other day, but that was due to me trying to use my normal tactics as opposed to adapting them to suit the faction i was controlling).
Altho i wont deny that it would be very useful if after fighting off the first enemy salvo, whilst waiting for his reserves to appear, if my archers could scrounge every spent arrow that has been fired at them to at least partially replenish their ammo
Sjakihata
11-03-2003, 21:01
Always limited ammo on for my case.
Snowhobbit
11-03-2003, 21:44
I to always use limited ammo
Snowhobbit
11-03-2003, 21:44
I to always use limited ammo
Always have limited Ammo ON
always use limited ammo.
the enemy do run out of ammo as quickly as my own units, some of my tactics depend on it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
HopAlongBunny
11-04-2003, 01:10
I always play with limited ammo. That said, I agree with the topic starter that the AI does not seem to have the same limit.
The evidence for this is anecdotal, but I get cranky when my arbs are almost out of ammo and the AI longbowmen are still merrily firing at my units http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
Togakure
11-04-2003, 04:50
I always limit ammo.
MrWhipple
11-04-2003, 08:55
If you'se sees that the enemy archers routs easy and runs for the border, likely is, they is outa ammos.
P.S. I votes limit ON
Always play with limited ammo. This can become an issue in defensive situations, heavily out-numbered by the enemy, but I wouldn't have it any other way. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Hangman
lancer63
11-04-2003, 17:08
I always play with limited standard ammo. And if I set unlimited ammo I'd have to set the tired mode on too.
Have you seen a unit of arbs 3/4ths out of ammo? They can hardly move, let alone fire their weapons and I'd have no use for totally exhausted men with an endless misile supply. I have seen almost intact AI archers withdraw from the field in good order, so I think its safe to assume they ran out of ammo and are cycling for fresh units.
I agree the game is not perfect but if I leave those features on I´d find more fun digging out my old plastic army men and drop on the floor to play with them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Russ Mitchell
11-04-2003, 20:13
I ALWAYS limit ammo... even when I know it's going to be to my detriment. Now, I grant you, in the future I'm going to do some pretty serious authenticity modding for it... but w/o limiting ammo... what's the point? Might as well go play some clickfest game...
The_Emperor
11-04-2003, 20:42
I ALWAYS limit my Archers ammo. Having unlimited ammo takes some of the most fun unit management out of battles... Like what you do when your archers run out of ammo and that second wave of Mongol Horse Archers comes over the Horizon.
It makes battles a lot more challenging and interesting.
brent_james
11-04-2003, 23:05
I always limit ammo
But I do notice the AI cheats
I played a longbow vs longbow custom battle a while ago. Mine started shooting at the same time as theirs, and they still had over half a minute of arrows left after I ran out.
kataphraktoi
11-05-2003, 04:25
does the difficulty level affect ammo limit?
I think that the AI has more ammo as well. I had won a battle but there was still a horse archer unit around, I had no counter so I waited for it to run out of ammo. Put my army in formation and I let it shoot my saracen infantry unit. I put the time on double and waited, for more then 5 minutes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
I doubt the computer cheats - remember that if only some men are in range, a unit can fire and deplete ammo more slowly. I quite like it when the AI relies on horse archery - it feels historical, them slowing trying to whittle down your numbers and I like it that when the ammo is gone, the cav archers actually become something of a threat if you are weak.
I tried unlimited ammo but it felt all wrong - especially on the defensive with longbows and catapults. It resembled a FPS type game, gunning down the AI without thought.
I also tried upping the ammo to be more historical for longbows especially. But with the patches etc I have not bothered updating these minor mods - you don't really need them and where they are most appropriate, ie on the defensive, it is not too much trouble to have 3 reinforcements of archers come on later. The best missiles - arbalesters - seem to conserve ammo for ever anyway.
Gotta limit ammo ... make it as realistic as possible ... of course, I make sure there are no camera limitations while I play, as there were no camera's in medieval times, it seems only fair http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
On the vote table I saw the forbidden for Greek guys multiplayer so I'm still crying guess why...
I have only once played a multiplayer game in a net-cafe(famous for its speed) and really sucked ofcourse for the reason of speed...all these on LAN...you understand that multiplayer on internet is a dream i cant reach...
Anyway sorry for the above, on single player campaign i usualy play, always restrict ammo so the game is reallistic
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Quote[/b] (Dead Moroz @ Nov. 03 2003,09:28)]In my defencive battle enemy use archers to weaken my troops before main attack. I answer by my archers. And ammo of my archers always ends (if I use limit ammo option). But the same enemy's squadron can stand and shoot as long as computer wants (does he cheats?). Maybe my archers are professionals and they shoot faster than those enemy's dilettante archers?
AI doesn't have more ammo. AI doesn't cheat neither. The only thing that you may call cheating is that AI can manage and time the shooting perfectly. AI knows whether your units are in range or not and AI knows when to shoot and when not to shoot. That is why AI's ammo always seems to last longer than yours. AI missile units also move and change formation more often. Every time AI move, they stop shooting (save lots of ammo).
I've never turned off the limited ammo. The way I manage my ammo is to turn off the Fire at Will. Use the A key to command my troop when to shoot and when to stop. It works great. If I have lots of missile units, I also like to group 2-3 missiles units and use them as 1 skirmishing company.
I don't like shoot out anyway. I only use missile units when I defend and even then, they only play a supporting role. I always attack when the enemy get close. On offense, I use 2-3 mounted missile units (as fast Cav) if I have any. Otherwise, I like the good old rush tactic with spears, swords and horses (may be that's why I'm not so good at MP).
Wild Bill Kelso
11-06-2003, 11:52
I always limit ammo. I cant bring myself to playing with unlimited, but hey to each his own. However, I can see limiting ammo on those crazy battles were its wave after wave of peasents and spearmen.
Hetman_Koronny
11-06-2003, 12:23
*bows*
Only after I read this thread did I realize that you can actually unlimit ammo http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
I guess I'll remain with limit on...
*bows*
I always limit arrows but mod to give all ranged units double the ammo. I never use archers though so I picked the last option. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ShaiHulud
11-07-2003, 05:51
Limits ON
Quote[/b] (pdoan8 @ Nov. 06 2003,04:01)]I've never turned off the limited ammo. The way I manage my ammo is to turn off the Fire at Will. Use the A key to command my troop when to shoot and when to stop. It works great.
I agree with pdoan8 -- the key is controlling the archers, at least in set piece battles. I've only been playing a little while, but it didn't take long to notice that fire at will usually means waste all your ammo killing 9 spearmen http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif
TheViking
11-12-2003, 10:32
what i noticed is that the arrows runs out quicker if they hit and kill enemy.
ex. i had 2 units trebz, one i set on attacking the softer enemy units, and the other i set to shoot at a heavy infantry. when those who had shot at the soft unit ran out of amu, and killed about 50 the ohter unit had lost only 10 men, but those archers still had more then half of their arrows left. the both enemy units stod still, and the archer units shot equal many times.
If you have ever fought a long battle against the Golden Horde, you might have noticed that their horse archers withdraw from time to time and are replaced by fresh ones. To me that indicates that some horse archers have run out of ammunition and withdraw so that they can be replaced by reinforcements.
Always limit ammo*. AI units have same limits as you do.
I played an MP game where the other guy set up a bridge battle and he had 12 infantry and 4 archers. Set the conditions to unlimited ammo and turned fatigue off, and it was very effective (in that he wiped me out). At that point I developed the dogma that unlimited ammo was cheating.
* the only exception to the limit ammo rule is in MP, in my favorite weird scenario, which is Naptha War. My rules for Naptha War: Large Units, Unlimited Ammo, Naptha only (no guns, no catapults, no infantry, ONLY Naptha), one side takes the Byz other side is Turks, Steppe Map. Turn the pyrotechnics up to max and let em burn Here Unlimited Ammo is truly 'da bomb'
ichi
Papewaio
11-14-2003, 04:00
Limit Ammo.
Limit Time... it only really has ever helped the AI. Most of my games are setup, move out (alt-t), surround, charge, rout (alt-t). Most of them finish within 1/4 of the time limit. The limit helps the AI on bridge defence most of all.
For those who prefer unlimited ammo, I advise em to play against a 5 longbow army http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif youll have half of your infantry lying dead before you can deal with all those longbows, providing the longbow user protects their longbows http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif Or maybe a more irritating test would be to try to attack an enemy with cannons and serpentines. Do not use unlimited ammo on MP its very foolish and not enjoyable
FoundationII
11-16-2003, 18:04
I don't use a lot of archers, I think it's a waste, especially in multiplayer I can beat most players who have a lot of archers, my chivalric men at arms just march over them.
Voigtkampf
12-26-2003, 09:27
Always limited ammo…
As for AI having the same amount of ammo as the player, I had an opportunity to test this one - unwillingly - since I had only high armor infantry and couldn't catch up with the faster enemy archers, I pulled ranks and waited it through. They kept firing and firing and firing and after some 50 volleys I stopped counting… Now that was definitely too much arrows for them, and until the very end of the battle they didn't run out of ammo…
Now try to run down an archer unit with halberdiers… Oh, dear…
Ikken Hisatsu
12-26-2003, 09:43
limited, however I tweaked my settings so regular bowmen have around 40-50 arrows and horse archers around 30, which suits me much better. bit more realistic imo (I can get 30 arrows in my quiver, and its not like I go out to day long battles)
So, they've reanimated this old thread? Well, here's my two cents.
Ammo limit ON
I know this has been said before, but the AI definitly does not cheat. The AI has a somewhat better ammo management but also wastes a lot of time.
Causes for the enemy archer still firing while yours have run out: you archers having a better position (more range, firing starts earlier), firing starts at max. range while computer moves to optimal range, less casualities (troops reforming slows reloading, this also happens to you and I would REALLY like to know how to stop it), enemy must first get into formation or reform to loose formation.
If you don't believe this, try a bridge battle as attacker, and you'll see what I mean. The enemy archers will run out of ammo before yours.
However, since I play STW, it may be a bit different for me because 1: samurai archers are better (equivalent of longbows) (also MTW does not correct aim for movememt of target, don't know whether STW does this); 2: I prefer small battles and with a charge-force, even when defending; 3: in STW the arrows of dead archers are used by their comrades.
Voigtkampf
12-26-2003, 16:57
I haven't played S:TW in decades… I was reffering to M:TW, but I wanted to test this in a custom battle too… I'll give it a try, but my bets are, the AI is cheating…
Aymar de Bois Mauri
12-26-2003, 22:09
Always limit the ammo.
Quote[/b] ] The AI has the same limit as you Dead Moroz, and sooner or later you will have to accept this.
True.
Quote[/b] ]I doubt the computer cheats - remember that if only some men are in range, a unit can fire and deplete ammo more slowly. I quite like it when the AI relies on horse archery - it feels historical, them slowing trying to whittle down your numbers and I like it that when the ammo is gone, the cav archers actually become something of a threat if you are weak.
True.
Quote[/b] ]AI doesn't have more ammo. AI doesn't cheat neither. The only thing that you may call cheating is that AI can manage and time the shooting perfectly. AI knows whether your units are in range or not and AI knows when to shoot and when not to shoot. That is why AI's ammo always seems to last longer than yours. AI missile units also move and change formation more often. Every time AI move, they stop shooting (save lots of ammo).
Exactly. That's why lots of people think the AI cheats...
Quote[/b] ]If you have ever fought a long battle against the Golden Horde, you might have noticed that their horse archers withdraw from time to time and are replaced by fresh ones. To me that indicates that some horse archers have run out of ammunition and withdraw so that they can be replaced by reinforcements.
Again true.
Quote[/b] ]I know this has been said before, but the AI definitly does not cheat. The AI has a somewhat better ammo management but also wastes a lot of time.
Causes for the enemy archer still firing while yours have run out: you archers having a better position (more range, firing starts earlier), firing starts at max. range while computer moves to optimal range, less casualities (troops reforming slows reloading, this also happens to you and I would REALLY like to know how to stop it), enemy must first get into formation or reform to loose formation.
And last but not least, true.
PseRamesses
12-27-2003, 16:03
Well, since I like to play this historically I always play with limited ammo. There is a limit how many arrows you can carry and 40-50 pieces seems accurate to me.
I do think, however, that you should be able to carry moore weaponry into battle when you are defending a province. After all it is your own backyard so the logistics should be better. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/read.gif
Voigtkampf
12-28-2003, 08:52
Quote[/b] (PseRamesses @ Dec. 27 2003,09:03)]Well, since I like to play this historically I always play with limited ammo. There is a limit how many arrows you can carry and 40-50 pieces seems accurate to me.
I do think, however, that you should be able to carry moore weaponry into battle when you are defending a province. After all it is your own backyard so the logistics should be better. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/read.gif
That's a good point, unfortunately it would include too much variables, making it almost impossible to function in M:TW… But you have your towers for that, and they never run out of ammo
Sun Tzui
12-29-2003, 16:58
Limit On...because:
1- Not only is more historically acurate but...
2- Lets you feel that chill down your spine you run out of ammo and think...Do i withraw these guys..or send them forward to be made into mincemeat?.
But mostly for the historic accuracy.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
The Tuffen
01-29-2004, 02:01
I used to have unlimited ammo on, but after a fight with the golden horde and their horse archers annoying me so much i've decided to limit ammo. just a quick question which is more powerful Sherwood foresters (i've modded them in for the english) or Longbowmen?
When I first started playing STW, I took the limiting of arrows off. Then I relized how cheezy it was, and put it back to limited. Much better player now... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
-Balmont
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SmokWawelski
01-29-2004, 16:12
I play on limited, however I added 4 arrows (not a lot I know) to dedicated archer unit (not xbows or arbs) to make them different from combo unit, who must also carry a sword or shield or something else with them.
However, when you upp the ammo to 50 or so, is in't it in reality like no limit, if your ammo lasts through the whole fight ?? I think it is in a sense... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif
No I dont because I LOVE using archers. Also, if I were actually in command of this army, I would tell my archers to bring like 4 quivers and just put them by your feet when you stop...so its not THAT unrealistic for me to not use limited ammo. And im to lazy to mod it hehe.
Oberstein
01-31-2004, 02:21
Yes.
Although in fairness I should note that this derives from me never messing about with the settings. God made them that way for a reason ^_^
Gregoshi
01-31-2004, 06:04
Greetings and welcome Oberstein. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
I tend to share you view on settings. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Back at the old good times I tent to give myself a little advantage by using all-archer army with Limit ammo option turned off. It was just so hilarious to see those poor enemies first charging and then running like headless chickens after a couple of follies. On the other hand, it wasn't that nice to see those archers rumbled down by heavy cavalry (that had to happen sooner or later).
Now, when I've gathered some experience points (which I used to upgrade my Charisma and Endurance) I prefer that option turned on. After that decision I realised that my glorious victories had come to their end http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif . Then my best bet was to offer a round in a local tavern for everyone. Too bad that the bartender didn't accept the golden handshake of a King as a payment of 5.000 beer bottles.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif , Quessa.
Duke of RumpyPumpy
01-31-2004, 22:53
Here are a few reasons why you might want unlimited ammo:
1. Your troops can't stand the site of blood. They prefer to do all their soldiering from a distance.
2. You failed to build the Community Center upgrade onto your castle. All social problem encounter groups had no where to meet, resulting in a soldiery who are shy of human contact.
3. Hey If Arnold can shoot 200 bullets out of a 20 bullet magazine, why can't my archers have unlimited ammo?
4. You can picture it in your mind; Each archer having 3 servants who follow them around with huge packs filled with arrows. Yea, it could work.
5. You have a fixation on long hard (edit).
6. You just like using archers, and having lots of ammo is just fun.
Unlimited Ammo is cheating ... Sorry.
It's like, no Morale and Fatigue effects. I also like the limited battlefield view based on your troops only.
Keeps it more real. Real life is hard.
Chaffers
02-05-2004, 13:30
Historically speaking it certainly isn't. I read an article once which had the stats for the number of arrows taken on campaign by Edward III (I thunks), lets just say theres a good reason why there are lots of people with the name Fletcher in the UK. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif
IIRC the number of arrows ordered simply to stock the Tower of London ran into the millions. There are also theories regarding Agincourt, specifically regarding how the French Knights actually died. Theory went that as the front ranks of Knights appeared to have plate armour only hits to the eyeslits would have killed them. Given the weight of fire directed from chaps who had been training all of their lives it is possible that this was the case.
Especially in defensive battles there is no reason to think that archers would ever run out of arrows before they ran out of targets. They would simply stick fresh arrows into the ground in front of them, also helping to infect any wounds the arrows caused. I can't see how an archer could be considered to be burdened even with 100 arrows about his person and seeing as though the best longbowmen could hit targets out to over 1000 yards I imagine 28 to be a very low number.
Naturally playtesting considerations dictate otherwise, though it would be nice to have a differing quantity of arrows on different types of archers. As vanilla archers are utter pants it could make them into specialist bridgeholding, long battle troops...
Quote[/b] (Chaffers @ Feb. 05 2004,06:30)]Theory went that as the front ranks of Knights appeared to have plate armour only hits to the eyeslits would have killed them.
holly crap...could you imagine what it looked like after the battle? Thousands of spick and span templar sprawled all over with arrows sticking out if there eye slits...crazy...
Chaffers
02-07-2004, 09:14
Well Longbowmen also carried long, thin knives and massive lead hammers. Any knights who survived the arrow barrage would promptly be knocked to the floor by said hammers and then be have their eyeslits introduced to the knives.....
Sociopsychoactive
02-08-2004, 15:24
As said by others, unlimited ammo is just wrong. Yes, the enemy arrows seem to last longer, but only because they spend lot of time reforming the formation an inch to the left, and halting their shot. If you put on unlimited ammo then on hard or expert difficulty horse archers would be nearly impossible to defeat. They avoid being pincered or blocked in on harder difficulties, and are only really vulnerable to other archers, but some have good enough morale that they will keep shooting to the last few men. With limited ammo they are often forced to charge in regardless, and be minced.
I turn all the realism effects on, without fatigue it would be FAR to easy to win in the desert, your tin-men wouldn never tire, even in the blazing sun. With an unrestricted camera you can predict where their siege and ranged units can fire to without having to scout, meaning you have fore-knowledge of the battle. With morale turned off it;s just stupid having to kill every single man, and with unlimited ammo you can stand there for days having archery duels.
With the weather it;s really funny watching your troops get snowed on, rained on and generally disheartened by th weather in the stinking place they never really wanted to conquer in the first place. Oh, and time limits, well, I have never actually run out of time in a battle, bu have sat there and waited for the enemy many times, knowing they Have to attack sooner or later.
While they could certainly have more arrows, I leave the settings on real and don't mod, it works as it was made.
FetalPig
02-09-2004, 06:27
I limit it too, only because by the time i realized there was an option, I was too stubborn to change it (this is Shogun days though) If you REALLy want to make the game suck, try limiting MORALE hahaha
Seven.the.Hun
02-26-2004, 21:30
i always limit ammo...why would u want those ai troops firing at u forever anyway??? use the archers, then get rid of em... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif i prefer charging them
Fenris459
02-27-2004, 02:53
I limit ammo, My particular play style lends itself to using archers in a harrasment role and not as a primary fighting arm in most cases (holding off mongol horse archers aside) I find a squadron or 2 of extran cavalry comes in so much more handy during the rout phase (both when I'm running down the routers and of course while I'm advancing to the rear in a rapid military manner)
Lord Xelous
02-27-2004, 18:21
I'd consider not limiting my ammo as cheating.
I just started using limited cause I started an Argonese campaign and didnt want my jinnets to rule everything. So far i havent had any problems/losses caused by this. But a few of my massive defences (like 4000 attackers) would have been crushing defeats if i had limited on.
nightcrawlerblue
02-28-2004, 19:40
I limit my ammo because it's the default setting and it's realistic. It just seems like it's cheating otherwise.
Off topic: Does anyone know why only like 5 of my 60 archers fire most of the time? I'll have an entire force of 120-180 longbowmen but only like 40-60 of them will actually fire.
I would definitely say that limited on is better. Otherwise I would really be able to kill the Horde in Kiev without even a tense moment.
SUre I was a bit shaky when my pavise arbs ran out of arrows and had to withdraw for reinforcements while the GH were charging but I survived and found it more fun.
If you want to have differing ammo amounts, mod it yourself or use MedMod which had differing ammo amounts.
GAH
the image of hundreds of stricken knights with arrows sticking out their eyeslits is funny.
GAH
AqConsul
02-28-2004, 21:33
I usually do limit ammo, but when I want a crazy awesome battle I dont limit it and put it on huge units. I just find it fun to have Arqs, Pav Arbs, and Longbows that just never stop. Like the energizer bunny OOO...Yaaaa....Fun Stuff...
Consul
i use the originals.. more realistics... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif
gaijinalways
03-16-2004, 08:55
Limited ammo all the way.
More realistic, some of your ammo use determines how long ammo lasts. Focus your ammo on certain units, more likely causing them to rout. Some people, such as xbowmen and arbalsters, take a long time to run out of ammo and they may soon be tired to do much damage, but a few times I had no other choice ( I didn't have much cav or infantry to counter otherwise).
Definately makes you think more about not wasting ammo on weaker units that maybe you can rout with your regular soldiers anyway. I find sometimes cav that attack or better routed by attacking them with infantry as sometimes when they are rushing you they may be difficult to hit using missile units.
Indeed, always limmited ammo .. I mean, think that longbowmen would be top-notch units if not ..
Borathor
03-18-2004, 17:45
I Play with all basic settings, had the restrict camera turned off before because off the tiredness of going all over the map looking after the very cowardly rebels. But now after my upgrade to VI 2 weeks ago I play with all the basics.
Tricky Lady
03-18-2004, 18:03
I also limit ammo (and use the restricted camera too; it's more fun when the enemy only appears on your screen when your units are supposed to see them inreality).
But I might want to play some games with unlimited ammo too (espec. for defensive battles): it must be funny to see the enemy slaughtered by a continuous rain of arrows.
There's no feeling if you don't lose men.
Kekvit Irae
03-19-2004, 10:37
Half and half. I play with limited ammo normally, and other times I play without just to test stuff or just to see how badly I can mangle the Mongol horde using longbows.
I've always used limited ammo, but this week I found myself continuing my current SP campaign with unlimited ammo after forgetting to turn the settings back to default after a custom battle (Peasant Shooting Range game - 22400 peasants vs my cannons http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif).
The resulting battles were just silly, with my bog standard archers shooting up unit after enemy unit. To start with it was fun but it was so incredibly easy that I quickly changed it back to limited.
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