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I assumed that the oldest was chosen to succeed the king. I then thought it was perhaps the one with the best stats but I have come to the conclusion that it's random...
I had about 6 princes, one of which (the second youngest) didn't have a wife, he also had the joint lowest command rating of any of the princes and his V&V weren't any better than any others, and yet he became king... Why? I think we should have a say in which one takes over. Sometimes I want a king with high accumen, or high command and sometimes I want the not so good one so that the good generals do just that - become generals who won't die due to old age and will therefore be able to become lvl 9+ generals. It's a little frustrating. Anyone any idea of the method by which an heir is chosen?
Papewaio
11-04-2003, 03:40
Not quite random.
Just a Crown Prince can have an older uncle.
Papewaio
11-04-2003, 03:42
Which means that the oldest son of the king will inherit.
While the kings brothers are eligible. They will only become the king if no sons are in line.
I think the Germans may have a different form of succession...
MrWhipple
11-04-2003, 09:09
The guy in red at the top of the list when you hit the crown icon on the strat map, is the simple answer. How this is figured is the tricky part.
Brutal DLX
11-04-2003, 12:04
No trick to it, just as pape said. The eldest son is the crownprince. Always. If he hasn't come of age yet, then the eldest brother of the current king will succeed him.
If there are not brothers, then the oldest royal general will be chose. But that should hardly happen anymore, since generals die too, since VI.
HRE has the same rules, but in addition can elect a non-royal general as new king if there's absolutely no person of royal blood left in the campaign.
Eastside Character
11-04-2003, 13:20
Quote[/b] ]HRE has the same rules, but in addition can elect a non-royal general as new king if there's absolutely no person of royal blood left in the campaign.
Didn't know that Brutal DLX, thanx. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
King John II
11-04-2003, 14:12
How do you explain the case described by Zone, then?
Quote[/b] ]How do you explain the case described by Zone, then? I think it has been explained, the four above were brothers of the current king... I think. I suppose that would make sense, cheers. Pity the younger brother was married and not the older though. I wonder why that was http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
By the way, about the death of generals, I had a 9 acumen Chief Enuch while playing TUrks. He died and *kaboom* another 9 acumen fella become the enuch (I was assigning titles manually).. What is the rationale behind that? Is that his son and automatically inherits his position?
You are a lucky, lucky person http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
King John II
11-05-2003, 12:27
Let's see, then.
1. The royal family list shows both the king's brothers and his children.
2. A son of 15 or older will succeed but a brother will take precedence if the sons are under age.
3. The list does not distinguish between brothers and children but it shows the crown prince in red and places him at the head of the list. So if that person is 15 or over the game is telling you that they will inherit.
Which means, I suppose, that were you to want to keep track of the exact line of succession (because you kill off unwanted heirs, say) you must keep a note yourself of the sons who appear in the list when a king ascends the throne and those which the game announces to be born during his reign. Then you know which members of the family shown in the list are sons and which are brothers.
Unless, perhaps, it is possible to tell this just by looking at their ages (sons always being younger)?
4. An older prince is not necessarily married before a younger.
Brutal DLX
11-05-2003, 13:09
I think the one labelled in red is always your go-to guy. So if you do dynastic control management (killing weak heirs etc) you should focus on the red guy anyway, because you have to get him out of the way. And then the next red one etc..
I always thought marriage proposals from other kings sending their princesses to you also target the oldest unmarried royalty.
Age classification works in most cases, as you don't see the sons of brothers until one becomes king himself. Also you can deduct the questionable heir's age from that of the current king. If the result is less than 16, he's one of his brothers, not a son.
Quote[/b] ]3. The list does not distinguish between brothers and children but it shows the crown prince in red and places him at the head of the list. So if that person is 15 or over the game is telling you that they will inheritDepends what version you're playing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Bob the Insane
11-05-2003, 16:33
That list when you hit the crown icon on the strat map,
I though it showed the hires in order of inheritance..
As described above, it shows sons of the King in age decending order, and then brothers of the King in age decending order...
And when a son inherits, any present brothers (the new king's uncles) become regular generals..
Note it is also possible that if a prince was previously married and has been waiting for a while, that he actually has sons of his own waiting to go..
The HRE, in thoery works differently in which they hold an elections for the next guy, but I have never noticed it work differently and I am pretty sure you can still lose if you run out of heirs..
King John II
11-05-2003, 17:54
I have noticed that a new king who was shown as unmarried while a prince suddenly shows up as married after all when he becomes king - and with a family of children who then appear on the royal family list.
So I suppose he may have wed someone that his dad thought unsuitable and kept the wedding, and the arrival of his family, quiet. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I have seen reports on the boards of very young kings having the "incestuous relationship with daughter" vice soon after reaching 15. So, in that case, I figure the daughter is adopted (or a ward maybe?). Perhaps there are other cases where adoption might explain anomalies.
The Wizard
11-05-2003, 18:42
Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Nov. 05 2003,05:12)]By the way, about the death of generals, I had a 9 acumen Chief Enuch while playing TUrks. He died and *kaboom* another 9 acumen fella become the enuch (I was assigning titles manually).. What is the rationale behind that? Is that his son and automatically inherits his position?
Actually it's just a cooler version of the SP immortal generals of MTW vanilla. Makes it a bit more interesting.
Just a bit. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
The Storyteller
11-06-2003, 05:03
How can the Chief Eunuch have a son?
The Wizard
11-06-2003, 09:54
He he he he... ask CA. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Brutal DLX
11-06-2003, 09:56
Quote[/b] (Bob the Insane @ Nov. 05 2003,15:33)]The HRE, in thoery works differently in which they hold an elections for the next guy, but I have never noticed it work differently and I am pretty sure you can still lose if you run out of heirs..
And I'm pretty sure you didn't read what I wrote, Bob. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif You can't lose a HRE campaign due to no heirs, only if there's a civil war after a general becomes elected and the side you favoured loses.
As for the Chief Eunuch... adoption. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Or a pleasant encounter during his youth. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Could have bribed someone to say the deed had been done but not do it... OK It's getting silly now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
As a side issue - sort of goes with the topic title but not the previous posts - it's a pity you can't be the papacy. Sorry if this has already been covered but it would be nice to recieve all of the crusade cash http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Or is there a recent version that does let you or has someone made a mod for this? Might make it all a bit easy though...
King John II
11-07-2003, 12:08
I watched what was shown in the royal family a bit while playing last night and my king's brothers headed the list until his oldest son reached 15 whereupon the sons all moved up above the brothers.
So the game gives some help beyond highlighting the heir in red towards knowing the line of succession.
I am beginning to think that people who have reported younger sons inheriting before older are mistaken, having muddled sons and brothers together.
This is probably the case. I never looked at it in any depth, just happened to notice it. I've also just reinstalled the game onto my new computer so it's not got any patches etc. so they're all in age order, they don't shuffle around to show the correct line of inheritance.
MizuKokami
11-13-2003, 17:51
a chief eunich would hand pick a succesor from his retinue of men, kind of like an apprentice.
Ironside
11-13-2003, 18:33
Citera[/b] (King John II @ Nov. 07 2003,05:08)]I am beginning to think that people who have reported younger sons inheriting before older are mistaken, having muddled sons and brothers together.
It's hard to keep track on the king's sons when they are younger than the oldest son's oldest son. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
I remember one time when I had two heirs at the same age, one became the crownprince, the other got last on the list.
MrWhipple
11-13-2003, 22:33
As an historical aside, many young noblemen in England would take a "wife" by the Danelaw which was a Viking law that allowed young men to have a sort of temporary "marriage" to sow a few wild oats. Once they came of age and were ready to marry a woman of wealth and status they would have a formal marriage and settle down. The children of the first "marriage" would be considered bastards and not be allowed to inherit (but often did any way). Also marriage in those days was not as formal as it is today. All a couple had to do was agree with each other to be married and announce it publicly and they were considered married. The nobility usually went in for a more formal arrangement with dowries and contracts and got the church involved etc. because there would be inheritance to be considered.
Maybe this is what the designers at CA were trying to include in the game when they have a prince showing up with a string of kids when he becomes king, even if he wasn’t married before.
motorhead
11-15-2003, 06:45
Just had a very strange line to the throne in my current egyptian campaign. Four sons, dad dies, oldest son ascends, now 3 brothers are next in line followed by 3 underage children (sons of newly ascended king). Now, i'm nearly positive that the old king had no underage sons left before he went to his maker - as my ruler ages i always keep a close eye on princes ages and sons in the pipe. New king finally has a son mature and he moves to the top of the ascension chain - everything as normal. Over 6 turns or so, oldest brother (2nd in line) goes down the log flume of inbred vices (odd toes or such). Now the strangeness begins. New king's 2nd son matures, but he's now 3rd in line to the throne, behind 1st son and oldest brother, but in front of the other 2 brothers to the new king. I'd like to believe this recently matured prince was the son of the old king, but that would make him the 5th son of the dead king and thereby LAST in line. My only conclusion is that the inbreeding 'infused' the new king's brother with enough royal blood to bump him up in the line of succession? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Suppiluliumas
11-16-2003, 21:29
Your signature is both vulger and insulting, and I'm sorry you feel that way.
Brutal DLX
11-17-2003, 09:39
Strange, but I don't think this will be much of a problem since the next oldest brother will never ascend to the throne unless the new king's son dies. And even then, the brother won't live much longer after that.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
I had to read that about 4 times http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Might have helped if I'd written it down http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif However, it does indeed seem odd. You could of course use him to fight all of your more risky battles thereby reducing the chance of an inbred king http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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