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MizuKokami
11-05-2003, 06:38
it just accured to me that i've heard all sorts of reasons why you don't play on-line, but i think i've only heard these reasons from multi players. so i thought http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif , why not ask you guys and gals?
and also, i would like to ask you, what would bring you to the multi side?
If I hadn't changed so many files that I'd require a second install of MTW:VI to play online. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Papewaio
11-05-2003, 07:32
Strategic campaign.
Even if it meant auto-resolved battles. Or turn based play by mail.
Reason I play SP is that I get the full effect. A fight just for a fight might as well just play a shooter online.
The other reason is that real life intrudes and I can bow out of a SP game gracefully with a quick save.
Hetman_Koronny
11-05-2003, 10:14
*bows*
Couldn't add much to what Papewaio mentioned above.
Oh http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif, perhaps that I am playing the outdated version (without VI and all that)...
*bows*
Snowhobbit
11-05-2003, 10:49
I would play multi when my CD-Key started working and when they got a multiplayer campaign.
Ironside
11-05-2003, 10:57
Citera[/b] (spmetla @ Nov. 05 2003,00:31)]If I hadn't changed so many files that I'd require a second install of MTW:VI to play online. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The same for me.
I also prefere the strategic campaign (autoresolve around 60% of the battles) and I would hate not to be able to use speeded battles, witch I don't think is able to use in MP and even if it is I wouldn't use it in MP (to much risk for extra losses http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif ).
But I might try it sometimes but it's alot of swapping files.
But I would probably do it more in RTW is it's true that MP works even on a modded game.
The world is too much with us; late and soon
Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers.
Little we see in nature that is ours.
We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon
W.W.
Eastside Character
11-05-2003, 15:07
What W.Wordsworth has to do with that? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Anyway I play only SP for two reasons - I like playing campaigns, and I change something in my game all the time. If there was MP campaign ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Quote[/b] (Eastside Character @ Nov. 05 2003,08:07)]What W.Wordsworth has to do with that? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Anyway I play only SP for two reasons - I like playing campaigns, and I change something in my game all the time. If there was MP campaign ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
The poem came to mind as I thought of the main reason I don't play on line; time. I squeeze in my gaming as it is and don't have the time right now to learn something new.
Jochi Khan
11-05-2003, 17:24
Hello Kokami
We all have our reasons for not doing... this.. or.. that.
But surely a few hours over the week would not be too much to spare to try something different??
It is good to play SP but, I have found that joining other players in MP has for me, been educating.
The different styles and atitudes make for more interesting gameplay.
But, you can still have bad and good games....depends.
Give it a try.....if you don't like it you can always go back to SP.
.......Jochi http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
A.Saturnus
11-05-2003, 18:20
I didn´t have a internet connection at home the last year. Now I have one, but less time. But more important is that I don´t play so much MTW anymore. I just want to finish the existing campaigns and then wait for Rome. Also, I don´t enjoy competition with other people too much.
rasoforos
11-05-2003, 18:26
1st reason : i tried it once , forgot to give valor to my units , charged the enemy like an idiot , in the middle of the distance they turned 180 degrees and quit the battlefield http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif . a pretty wise decision i might say since i would do the same if i was in their position. This ..er....kinda put me off multiplayer.
2nd reason : i am using a stupid university connection that makes MP impossibl
3rd : err.... uhmm.... dont laugh but i ...kinda forgot my Medieval copy in Greece http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
The Wizard
11-05-2003, 18:40
I am *currently* not playing MTW online because I'm also busy with Wc3, because I have MedMod 3.12 installed, and because school and my social life are pretty busy as well.
Mount Suribachi
11-05-2003, 19:43
too many idiots online
56k modem
too many idiots online
standard of play too good for me
Many MP communities are very n00b hostile
too many idiots online
lack of time
too many idiots online
1. Not that much time anymore
2. MedMod is funner http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
3. Same as rasoforos' first reason
4. GA is more fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Rob The Bastard
11-05-2003, 20:28
Currently using a 33.6 Kbps modem...
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif by the time I see something happening my troops are already dead... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Time constraints...
The modem is the final remnant of my previous PC... everything else has been updated and would be adequate for on-line use.
I am contemplating getting a ADSL connection... but I am not sure if the cost of a ADSL router/switch/connection fee/monthly fee etc... can be justified ( certainly not to my wife http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif although she would use it for surfing. )... still, it is tempting me. It may just "appear" one day.
Jacque Schtrapp
11-05-2003, 20:52
I like to play the campaign at my own pace. There is no online campaign and you most definitely cannot play multiplayer battles at your own pace. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
MrWhipple
11-05-2003, 21:19
I like the SP campagin too and autoresolve a lot. Also my internet hookup up here in the mountans is via satilite and the lag is horenuous.
frogbeastegg
11-05-2003, 21:51
-Have no idea how to do multiplayer. At all. Full stop. Any of it.
-Cannot understand the Internet shorthand so I wouldn't understand anything anyone said and I would have to spend half an hour typing everything out in longhand. Also no spellchecker so no one would understand the end result anyway.
-Have no idea how to actually play a multiplayer game even assuming I manage to get into one (see point 1)
-The idea of getting pulverised many, many times in a row does not strike me as fun when I can use the time to finish my unit guide, I've been writing it for months now
-Too many weird conventions - clans? Lag? Foyer? etc
-I like to use units that aren't the best in their class (eg feudal men at arms instead of chivalrics, mounted sergeants instead of feudal knights etc) simply for variety and interest. If I did this in multi I would be squished
-Too many idiots around.
-Not many people seem to like a newbie.
-To many blatantly rude people around, the OMG U suk U r crap u luse Pwnd I iz 1337 brigade.
-I tend to hit the wrong key all the time when I have to use hotkeys. To me p looks like b, e looks like f and if there is anything involving o I either hit 0 or hit o twice. This is not a Good Thing.
-I have no one to teach me to play.
-Nightmare scenario - someone recognises me as the author of the beginners guide and starts getting nasty, you know the old "you can't play and yet you are giving advice, what a joke etc" routine. I have met this before several times in real life and it always gets nasty. I would have to be froggy online or I will forget who I am and ignore people talking to me Should have thought of that before I wrote the thing.
-I would probably be unbelievably crap at it (good against the Ai is one thing, good against the living now that is something else) and who wants to play against someone crap?
-The whole fuss of whether something is cheating or not, what is allowed and what isn't. In single player I make my own rules.
I used to live to play AOK online. I got very good but it ate my life. I was like so many Everquest addicts that it completely ate my life. Now I have my gaming under control and make a point to play outside more than I play with my computer. My life is better for it, but I do still miss the thrill of the competition. Maybe when Rome comes out I will try multi again and see if I can maintain control.
unless broadbad gets to the area (unlikely http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif ) i just couldn`t be bothered with it.
plus i have other things to do. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
The Wizard
11-05-2003, 22:18
Actually I have a lot of experience with joining communities online and thus being a n00b... I must say, the online scene here is a lot better than, oh, let's say, Wc3... a LOT better. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
And if you have some prowess in SP battles you should be fine after 2-3 times when you've probably deduced the proper unit combinations. Takes some time to deduce the importance of valor though... well, those things applied to me anyways. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
lancer63
11-05-2003, 22:42
Behind a huge firewall.
Like to play at me own pace.
I never do custom battles for same reason. No land to win. No province to conquer. No rape of towns, no pillage on women, no burning farm animals, no fun.
Plus if I want to be insulted I only have to drive below the limit at the highway. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Kongamato
11-06-2003, 01:39
I play online, and here is my opinion on the reluctance of some to join multiplayer. Most of you probably don't care what I have to say, you've all got your peasants to slaughter and popes to assassinate. Good for you, this post will probably be a thousand words long and will go off topic after the first five sentences anyway. However, just maybe there's one guy or gal out there lurking around here whose situation could benefit from my experiences, so here I go. This could be a long post, so grab a drink and put some music on or something.
I entered Shogun: Total War online the seasoned veteran of several single player campaigns. Heads of the Daimyo of the Sengoku Jidai adorned my throne room. Surely, these humans online would not be that much better than I. I entered my first online game and lasted less than a minute. It seemed that the "clump all men together and attack one unit" method did not work against humans Apparently, they could think tactically. They also used advanced movement techniques and grouping Inconcievable Now I understood that there was so much more to the game, advanced, amazing things that evolved constantly out of competition and could never be learned in the single player campaign. This rude awakening erased all pride I had in my single player achievements. Embarrassed, I stopped playing and resolved to go back online in MTW, so I could start on equal footing and learn the impressive skills I saw in my brief glimpse of online play. I didnt even want to play SP, the whole notion of the campaign and AI seemed like a sham created to convince me that I knew the basics of tactical thinking. Now if the campaign is what floats your boat because it's a campaign, then skip the rest of this post, because it only pertains to the battles.
Of course, maybe I was just crap at the game. Well, who knows? After about a year of online experience, the AI dies more swiftly than I could ever have imagined, and yet I feel that I still have so much more to learn from MP. I've no doubt in my mind that single player would not have taught me what I know now.
Now, arrogance does exist online. It's a vastly different atmosphere from the single player campaign and the various threads and discussions at the moderated forums of the .org. I've noticed that many of you are put off by getting pwned by the 1337 m4st4z, you do not want to wind up losing and getting insulted by arrogant "idiots". This makes me wonder; if you were more mature than these people, wouldn't you not care what they thought of you or what your reputation is in their eyes? Their insults would be as futile as trying to move water by punching it. However, maybe you are the kind of person who is not satisfied with losing, cares about their reputation, and sees attacks on their person as a source of motivation. However, maybe the task of gaining all the battle experience that the MP players know is so daunting that you'd rather just whoop the AI's rear end. Maybe you'll try MP when the next TW comes out, like I did, and gain your skills then. However, you ought to try it, it'll help you learn good techniques.
It depends on your preference. I compare the two communities to restaurants. SP and the .org and .com community discussion threads around it remind me of a fancy restaurant, one with orchestra music playing in the background and the portraits of long-time patrons on the wall. You enter through a big front door where well-dressed doormen greet you and make sure you meet the dress code, obey the proper rules of etiquette, and remain courteous to the host. You speak of your accomplishments in long speeches, and people clap and clap and clap. On the other side of the game, MP and its forums are like a run-down greasy spoon with loud music playing, a noisy kind of place where you hear the sound of glass breaking every 20 seconds. You enter through some swinging doors and you leave through a broken window. Bar fights break out constantly. You can speak of your accomplishments, but more often you'll read about them on the bathroom wall. Definitely a game and atmosphere for the more rowdier folks. Is it for you? Maybe you ought to try.
desdichado
11-06-2003, 02:16
Kongamato,
Interesting post. Will have some more time on my hands in 2 weeks - last subject at uni for hopefully many years http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif so will have a look at MP - just have to find someone who will play a noob.
Another reason I have never played is all the posts I have read about boring pav arb duels and 50,000 florin games with all units at max valour etc. This hosed down my inital enthusiam quite a lot.
I do enjoy SP campaign, (only tried a couple of custom battles and got bored real quick) I like the strategic option, not being able to "choose" my troops all the time, etc, but as you say it could help improve my battle tactics - I will give it a go soon.
Who knows, I might need the practice for when online campaign (eventually http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif ) comes out? Then I'll be an MP addict.
solypsist
11-06-2003, 04:16
MP would be more appealing if the stats for the troops were the same for MP as they were for SP. But they're not, as anyone who plays online habitually will tell you. This seems kind of dumb, really.
Anyway, I prefer strategy, and so stick with the campaigns.
MizuKokami
11-06-2003, 04:21
i hear you kongamato, my first battle on line was a dismal failure, and doubly so as i was in the hotseat, you know, the lone army closest to the enemy. i had arqs against muskets, i didn't upgrade anything, and i had no idea the power of peasants. to top it off, my computer internet connection was way slow, and it was raining. i was slaughtered, and my enemy only had to use half of his army.
i was lucky however, as my allies in my first battle were of clan takiyama. we lost the battle, but didn't recieve the typical...'you suck...worthless ally...yadda yadda' remarks i heard so often in the foyer of other peoples. i started asking around for people who were willing to train me. i didn't get many replies, but eventually, yukki took me in like i was a stray puppy. there's a good thing about clans. they are diverse from clan to clan. so if you are the kinda person that just wants to play around at the game, not takeing it very seriously, there are clans like that. if you are a loud mouth, there are loud mouth clans. if you are a tactical thinker, and take your battles seriously, there was once a clan that didn't let you join til they trained you, putting you through your paces. in fact, there are clans for most types of players.
and as kong said, once you learn to fight in multi, you can sleep through single play. but i digress. it would seem that the biggest reasons are time, internet connection, the love of campaign, and the dreaded....'noob' status, as to why sp'ers don't play mp. the time and internet connects we can't do anything about, but as mp'ers, some of us would be more then willing to extend a helping hand if anyone would like to make the transition. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
The Wizard
11-06-2003, 09:58
I have never thought of TW MP to be unfriendly, and I've never had the "embarassing loss" situation...
Am I just plain good or am I ignorant? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Brutal DLX
11-06-2003, 10:04
Indeed Kokami, but there's also the flip side of newcomers joining MP and not listening, ruining the games for everyone involved and generally using insults when losing. You know the story.
If you are new to MP, say so in the lobby, and also in game, and most clanners will help you with some advice.
Freelancers might too, but that differs from case to case.
If anything, there are also a couple of good reads about MP strats and unit selection here at the .org as well as on www.totalwars.net. An interested SP player wanting to play MP should take a peek at those too.
frogbeastegg
11-06-2003, 11:14
Some interesting posts by the multiplayers. As far as the insulting morons go I am not bothered by their opinion, however I see no point in going on line to meet people like that when all I need do is step out my front foor and bingo more morons than a moron convention. I spend more than enough time dodging insults and acting like I don't care what they say in real life without doing it in my recreational time. You have to have a break sometime.
BTW: The swanky bar sound a lot nicer, I don't like loud music http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
A quick question or three. How much time does a MP battle take on average? Not only the actual combat but the prelims as well. Also, when would be a good time for a newbie to play. The only times I can see free of possible interuption are early weekend mornings and late workday nights? Curious.
No time, low modem. But I do enter sometimes.
Quote[/b] (DojoRat @ Nov. 06 2003,15:17)]A quick question or three. How much time does a MP battle take on average? Not only the actual combat but the prelims as well. Also, when would be a good time for a newbie to play. The only times I can see free of possible interuption are early weekend mornings and late workday nights? Curious.
30 min. 1v1.
4v4 ... hmm, sometimes even 2 hours http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe
11-06-2003, 15:48
I went throught my logfiles a little...
Even without rushing a 4v4 can be done in 15/20 min.
40 min games are already considered long.
My longest game was 1hr 15mn...
That's for the actual battle.
Now, to get a game running, it depends on many thing; timezone, kind of game you want to play (if you want a 4v4 bridge battle, it may be very very long) and experience of players involved. I'd add 10/20 mn to actual battle lenght (less for 1v1).
Louis,
Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe
11-06-2003, 16:32
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Froggy
Quote[/b] ]-Have no idea how to do multiplayer. At all. Full stop. Any of it.
One day, someone will have the courage to write down an addendum to your guide for MP. There are several MP guides around, but none, as far as I know, are complete from the technical 'how do I long on?' to playing the game, to MP vocabulary, etc...
Quote[/b] ]-Cannot understand the Internet shorthand so I wouldn't understand anything anyone said and I would have to spend half an hour typing everything out in longhand. Also no spellchecker so no one would understand the end result anyway.
I don't see a lot of that. The linguo is rather MTW specific than Internet specific (ok beside afk or brb...).
Quote[/b] ]-Have no idea how to actually play a multiplayer game even assuming I manage to get into one (see point 1)
A MP game is a lot like a custom battle in SP. The only difference is your opponent. Many MPers will tell you that nothing can prepare you to MP... Well, I kind of disagree. Play SP custom game a little. AI behavior is very confusing in teamgame (4v4). Once you have done that, you may even found that MP games are kind of easier to follow and understand (armies are not moving around like crazy like in custom SP).
Quote[/b] ]-The idea of getting pulverised many, many times in a row does not strike me as fun when I can use the time to finish my unit guide, I've been writing it for months now
There is a learning curve... You better be ready to a few losses. And open to change the way you do things, because, very possibly they might not be optimal to be competitive in a MP environement.
If you play with an open minded, it will come fast. If not, you'll lose many many games and get frustrated. But, it does not have to be that way.
Quote[/b] ]-Too many weird conventions - clans? Lag? Foyer? etc
... You can safely ignore clan to start with. Foyer is the bar where we talk between games.
Quote[/b] ]-I like to use units that aren't the best in their class (eg feudal men at arms instead of chivalrics, mounted sergeants instead of feudal knights etc) simply for variety and interest. If I did this in multi I would be squished
You would be surprised.... Some of the most effective units are sometimes those who are not the best in their class.
If you play with a lot of money to buy your army, a lot of upgrade can turn a 'low class' unit into a killer (the best example being militia sergeant).
If you play with very little money, you need to make compromise, because you can't buy the best in all category; if you want longbowmen, you won't have the money for chivalric knight.... So maybe you'll take mounted seargeant to buy better longbow, or better spears...
Quote[/b] ]-Too many idiots around.
It's pretty much like in real life... But with the difference that, as we don't see people face to face, morons get more courageous and speak out more.
You can safely ignore morons, by typing the command #ignore + name of moron.
Quote[/b] ]-Not many people seem to like a newbie.
And that's too bad, but may require some explanation.
A game, with setting up + battle, may last 30 mns. It's quite long. It can get even longer. Some vets don't have a lot of time and feel cheated when they lose 1 hour because of a newbie 'spoiling' the game. It's not like you can wrap up a game in 5 mn and move on.
BUT, you can also find people enjoying helping beginner, and not worrying about that.
You need to find the good people.
Quote[/b] ]-To many blatantly rude people around, the OMG U suk U r crap u luse Pwnd I iz 1337 brigade.
I don't see a lot of that. And then there is #ignore.
Quote[/b] ]-I tend to hit the wrong key all the time when I have to use hotkeys. To me p looks like b, e looks like f and if there is anything involving o I either hit 0 or hit o twice. This is not a Good Thing.
MP is not a click festival. I barely use hotkeys at all. I am not fast with a mouse. I do all the 'organizing army homework' at the set up stage and seldomn change after that.
Quote[/b] ]-I have no one to teach me to play.
See above; find the right person. May I recommand a few? LadyAnn ([FF]An online)... [FF]Heart are two great persons online. There are many other.
Quote[/b] ]-Nightmare scenario - someone recognises me as the author of the beginners guide and starts getting nasty, you know the old "you can't play and yet you are giving advice, what a joke etc" routine. I have met this before several times in real life and it always gets nasty. I would have to be froggy online or I will forget who I am and ignore people talking to me Should have thought of that before I wrote the thing.
I can't play correctly either (Konga must remember my fist game online, what a joke...), and, boy, do I post http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Play with the person you like, ignore the other.
Quote[/b] ]-I would probably be unbelievably crap at it (good against the Ai is one thing, good against the living now that is something else) and who wants to play against someone crap?
Well, see the 'newbie' point. Yes, some may not like it. But other will find it enjoyable to help you picking an army, deploying it, playing the game and seeing your progress.
They'll find it enjoyable, unless you got 'I know all attitude' that Brutal DLX describes.
Quote[/b] ]-The whole fuss of whether something is cheating or not, what is allowed and what isn't. In single player I make my own rules.
AFAIK, no cheat in MTW / VI.
Often, the only restriction is about the use of artillery (catapult, etc...).
Beside, that, nothing really comes to mind.
Louis,
PS; feel free to PM in case you want to give it a try.
frogbeastegg
11-06-2003, 17:46
Thanks Louis that was an interesting read. Anyone mad enough to write a proper multiplayer section for my guide is more than welcome, however from experience I can safely say it will take many hours to write and any more to update. I think I am the only person that crazy in these parts at the moment
What an earth is brb? Afk is away from keyboard, I think.
If you add in the ignore feature (didn't know about that before) a longside a lack of jargon it does sound a little better.
So you can arrange games with specific people? Interesting, I had been wondering if this was possible as I am having a hard time getting some screenshots for my unit guide. The AI won't behave, it keeps trying to flank me when I am demonstrating a head on attack, it attacks head on when I try to show off flanking. A human could be asked to walk into the proper positions....
I guess doing a set of online screenies would enable me to learn enough to do a basic multiplayer guide....
Shifting to PM http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I also like the strategy aspect of MTW better than combat. Usually the only time I fight a battle is when I assault a castle. I lose fewer soldiers than the AI does in an assault.
I kinda treat MTW as 2 separate games. If I'm in the mood for battle, I'll go a custom, historic, or quick battle. If I have time to fight a few decades in a campaign, I'll do that. Rarely do I do both.
Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe
11-06-2003, 20:35
A couple of other comment;
I saw; I got 56k modem, I can't play. Actually, MTW is kind of ok with bad connection and also kind of 'lag tolerant'. High ping are not a big issue.
What is a big issue is how good your computer is, and how it can handle large, very large number of soldier.
Try a custom SP game, set it up at 4v4, normal size unit, if your game lag (freezes) badly, you'll have issue online with large game, if it slows down a little from time to time, you are probably ok. If your computer can handle 4v4 custom SP game with huge unit size, you won't have any problem.
The bottleneck IS usually NOT 56k modem.
Louis,
Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ Nov. 05 2003,14:51)]-I like to use units that aren't the best in their class (eg feudal men at arms instead of chivalrics, mounted sergeants instead of feudal knights etc) simply for variety and interest. If I did this in multi I would be squished
I wanted to say something about this, but it seems Louis already beat me to it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
But he's right. Using FMAA instead of CMAA can actually help you in some situations. At v4 I think their cost is 1641, too high for me, but many people use them as they can take on a wide variety of units. And I take Mounted Sergs a lot. I use the money I save to pump up my infantry more. There are many good multiplayer guides, even one here at the Org IIRC. It was started by Bachus (Dionysus) in the Jousting Fields. Not sure if its still there or not, probably is though.
Most important points are:
1) Communicate with your team mates. Don't rush when others aren't ready and be angry when they don't aid you. There might be tactical reasons for them not rushing as well.
2) UPGRADE YOUR UNITS All v0 units won't do much good, depending on the unit and the situation. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
3) Make sure you're facing the right way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
4) If you're new, ask others for help. If you're on the same team as some clannies, they're gonna be compelled to help you if for no other reason, because if you get routed they're in a tougher situation. Many (like my clan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flirt.gif and many others as well) will help you out just to help, if it makes the online community bigger, then its a good thing.
Brutal DLX
11-07-2003, 12:53
Yes froggy, I'm sure there are volunteers who'd arrange a battle for you to take screenshots, you don't even need to participate just state what moves you would like to get a screenshot of.
And the 56k modem is not a problem at all, despite what some players might tell you in the lobby or in game. I use a 56k modem, and I can host 2v2 with no lag, I don't host 3v3s or 4v4s, because it "might" get laggy, I don't know it for sure. Bottom line is, as Louis said, you need to have a good PC, turned smoke and Fauna off and then you can join 4v4s even with a 56k modem with little or no lag. Always check your PC performance by doing a custom game.
It always depends on all the players involved, ie their PC specs and also their location as well as their connection type. If all the players have a good PC and reside on the same continent, you'll always have low ping rates and smooth games.
PS: brb is an abbreviation for be right back
I've seen lots of good informative (i think) replies from known online players in this thread. There is one thing missing sofar and that is social interaction...
Sure it can be very rewarding to see your empire grow from a small fledging realm into a dominating powerstate under your capable guidance. I agree on that and I love strategy games much. (only problem is that thanks to playing this game online as well as having played more complex strategy games, I am not so fond of mtw sp)
But you are still interacting with an AI, who does not tell you you did a good job after a hard fought tough campaign, who does not show you his praise for your surprising attack which cost him the battle, who does not make you laugh with lil' jokes when your army blunders again. To keep it short the AI is no subsitute for someone who plays along your side time after time, sharing the bad things and the good things all covered by big smiles and lil' jokes.
This is what can be easily found online and many more when you meet others in your battles... and this is prolly one of the main reasons why there are things like clans, something many SP's are perhaps puzzled by.
Many times I have lost a battle caused by me falling of my chair laughing about my allies' jokes during battle.
But you SP guys already know what I mean with this deep down to an extent, for what else is the reason you keep visiting this forum so often and regularly? Why not go to the pub to share a few beers with newly-to-made-friends, instead of sitting at home in front of the telly all alone? Try it and you may like it, you can always go back http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
GAH
Vanya tries to play online every week.
Vanya logs on...
Vanya is amazed at seeing 130+ playas in queue. Vanya sez to Himself, "With all them heads, must be easy getting the blade wet"
Vanya waits for a game to be hosted. Vanya behind firewall, so Vanya cannot host... unless Vanya wants to play the "waiting game".
Vanya waits some more. No new games. Vanya sees messages asking peeps to join games not visible. Vanya utterly HATES the stoopid feature of sharing the foyers... Vanya thinks everybody is playing a different version, so games not appear.
Vanya waits some more. Vanya grows wary.
Finally A game Vanya joins up. But then, the players want to play with their little "buddies" and want Vanya to vacate His glorious spot. Vanya joins another game, only to find the host clamor that His mother is calling him and that he must now leave.
So, Vanya waits some more.
And waits... No games as far as the eye can see. Fortunately, Vanya has no head, and therefore, no eyes.
A game appears Vanya joins This time, all seems to go well Vanya sinks His hands into hot water to ward off the rigor that has set in from the lengthy wait. Vanya, weary as heck, picks 16 GAHzee infantry and camels thinking they be silly enlish kinigits that smell of elderberries and charges them in haste without thought of consequence. Soon, Vanya's "deer-in-a-spotlight" allies gawk in horror as the Horseman's Field Marshall of Doom gallops off the plains towards singing Dixie.
Vanya then cheers His allies on to their eventual 3v2 doom. Game ends, Vanya's team loses. Turns out Vanya's allies were total noobs, and had no idea how to fend off 3 enemies between the 2 of thems. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
So, now Vanya looks for another game. Nothing... nothing as far as the eye can see. Only now, the number of playas has dropped by 30%.
Vanya waits some more.
And waits...
And waits...
Then, Vanya sez to Himself, "GAH SP GAH", and exits the foyer and fires up a trusty SP campaign. No waiting any more Vanya can now cut heads off And no more rigor http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Vanya is now happy
And that is why MP has "issues"... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
GAH
Brutal DLX
11-08-2003, 00:35
Don't lose your head over this issue, Vanya. Er..
Rather do try to put a little variation into your online times. Evenings at CET, I normally don't have problems getting a game. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
RisingSun
11-08-2003, 03:21
I altered my longbowmen stats a little, as well as regular archers, and I don't remember what the original stats were. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
MizuKokami
11-08-2003, 05:39
kokami waits for vanya's post to end...
and waits...
and waits some more...
GAH
I tend to play games to relax, and do not seek thrill or challenge when I play, and I'm even not in a mood for a company mostly. That's why gaming is a solo experience for me, as I want to relax my brain and get away from people for a short while. Plus, I hate competitiveness, and that's also something I want to get away from in the evenings when the day is over. In short, MP sounds too much like work to me.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
The Wizard
11-08-2003, 11:45
I play MP because I tend to get tired of bashing the AI in battles. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Medieval:Total war probably has the best online community, I never really got into it, but every game was fun, and everyone I played with was very helpfull and polite. Winning your first battle you will never forget, and the second one is even better. If there is any game a newbie could enjoy it is total war. Still I lost interest, and now mainly play campaign games, I guess I like the whole package. For multiplay I stick with my old love rainbow six: rogue spear, as it also has an awesome and mature community, and is far more focused on teamwork.
Another thing that needs to be mentioned, I played amazing battles (well I think so) with a guy named Almughaver who was from new zealand and on a 56k. New Zealand is the exact opposite of the netherlands on the globe, you can't get further then that, and it was lagless.
The Wizard
11-08-2003, 18:23
The best thing was that after only a month, everybody knew my name http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Problem was that after Gamespy stopped allowing me online, everyone forgot me pretty quick too. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I must concur with what a number of people have already said: No multiplayer campaign. I like my battles to actually mean something (aside from the obvious bragging rights). In strategy games, unless a battle is for a crucial province/planet/mine/hill/whatever, I just don't see much point in throwing my army at someone else's. Doing it just for kicks and to see who's better simply doesn't hold that much appeal. I'm not mocking MP or anything, but it's just not for me.
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