Some questions...

[hellenes]

I have some questions regarding the Sp and mp:

1.How the valour increases the accuracy and other parameters of missles i mean the armour variable the range all the projectile stats?

2.Is there a way to kill off the HRE without attacking them (assasins,inquisitors etc etc)?Or they like the pope just with heirs?(note the pope can marry,i have screenshot proof http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif )

3.How can i prevent my spearmen/pikemen formation not to brake? The swordsmen can brake the pike formation with an ease http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif Have you tried to run on a wall of sharp sticks?Pointing at you? Its like attacking a porcupine bare hand...

Any replies would be sencerely appreceated.

Hellenes

[Satyr]

It is hard to kill off any faction without attacking them but the Germans different than the other factions because if you kill the king and all his heirs they will just elect a new king. You can bribe armies and assasinate nobles and probably reduce them to a few provinces but I would expect that in the end you would have to kill the remainder in battle.

Swordsmen kill spearmen Cavalry kills swordsmen. Spearmen kill cavalry. Everyone kills archers only if they can catch them. Them's the rules. The swordsmen get inside the spears and the spears are useless and those holding them die easily.

[hellenes]

Quote[/b] (Satyr @ Nov. 07 2003,00:45)]Swordsmen kill spearmen Cavalry kills swordsmen. Spearmen kill cavalry. Everyone kills archers only if they can catch them. Them's the rules. The swordsmen get inside the spears and the spears are useless and those holding them die easily.
That "get inside spearmen" you have to survive In FRONTAL attack the swords in REAL world get SLAUGHTERED
Pikes are even more dreadful thats the problem in the game my pikes/spears get slaughtered in frontal sword attacks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif and the whole "romans-beat-the-macedonian-pikes" is just b...it Cause the romans NEVER attacket the phalanx head on and even did paid that with their lives...

Hellenes

[Hetman_Koronny]

Quote[/b] (hellenes @ Nov. 06 2003,19:01)]That "get inside spearmen" you have to survive In FRONTAL attack the swords in REAL world get SLAUGHTERED

*bows*

I don't think so. In fact, I am pretty sure it is the other way round. Swords can handle spears with ease once they get close enough, what is not that hard. Imagine keeping a 4+ meter (12 feet) pike, which must weight 30 pounds or so (someone correct me here). Now, imagine yourself trying to actually hit a swordsman with that. He will have all the chances in the world to escape or to parry your pike. And then he'll chop the attacker with his sword.

And shorter spears are practically useless due to their... (little) size and weight. I mean they simply cannot match sword's blade which is much more deadly for the obvious (IMO) reasons.

My two cents on this...

*bows*

[Eastside Character]

Maybe fight between one spearman and one swordsman would look like that, but when you have a unit of spearmen where 3 or more ranks can fight, the fight I think wouldn't be so easy for swordsmen. I think that spear units should defend well against swordsmen, they just shouldn't be good attackers (and I mean in general, not only against swords). . .

[Brutal DLX]

You have to think of the swordsmen charge as an abstract way of displaying what really happens. Of course the swordsmen didn't run blindly into the spear/pike wall and impaled themselves on them, rather, as they approached, they slowed down, tried to get a hold of the pikes, pushed them aside or cut them down with their swords, as they have wooden shafts. Once they are in touch with the actual spearmen it's no question who will win. The only countermeasure pikes could take is charging themselves which will inflict more losses upon the swords, but ultimately they will lose too as the swordsmen break into their formation and killing the spears in the melee.

Pikemen and spearmen of this era can't be compared to the Greek phalanx, which had to be outmaneuvered.