Who targets the pope with crusades?

[Satyr]

I have not regularly landed my crusades in the pope's provinces, but I noticed that the zeal in the Papal States was at 100% and there were 3 full stacks there. I really cleaned up in one turn. I will start watching for this all the time. Does anyone else do this?


PS. To steal his armies. Hey hey.

[TheSilverKnight]

Do it all the time. The Pope has the most fanatic caths. in the whole game, that's why I try to steal them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[o_loompah_the_delayer]

Ho do you manage to send your crusades through Papal territories? I have only managed this once on a crusade against the excommed Sicilians, but all I managed was forcing the Sicilians to lift the siege of Rome, and I didnt get any fine troops.

[Satyr]

You need to control the seas. Then you can send your crusade via boat and sort of stop along the way and visit the pope. Or send your crusade on a land route thru the popes provinces and out to sea via a port on the italian penninsula.

[Mega Dux Bob]

Let's see, you're the HRE, you want Naples, the Byz hold it, you crusade threw Rome, screw the Pope's army, take Naples, turn around and attack Rome with the Pope's army.

I like:D

[CeeBod]

How restrictive are the options when you send a crusade by sea? - I saw fairly bizarre behaviour by an AI crusade the other day and was wondering whether the player can do it the same way? -

The Spanish launched a crusade from Milan, aimed at Constantinople, and it took the route: Milan - Burgundy - Provence - Denmark - Antioch - Constantinople coincidentally all of which were my provinces http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif
It used my shipping to nip back and forth between my provinces, with any route being ok, presumably providing the total number of provinces was the same or less than if it had travelled by land? - So can I do that too, or is the AI just taking the p*ss? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[NewJeffCT]

Cee Bod, I hate when BS like that happens - I remember a few campaigns ago as the Italians, I had not attacked many other nations other than rebels and concentrated solely on building up my provinces... so, I naturally had the best troops with armor upgrades (and weapon upgrades from Tuscany...)... and, every crusade managed to go through my provinces and suck up my troops. It sucks when you manage to get Switzerland and are churning out Swiss Armored Pikemen and they all get sucked up in a crusade and you have to face them down later.

But, when *I* crusade as a Catholic faction and control all the seas, I still only get 1 or 2 options for my crusade other than the final destination. I could crusade as the HRE from Sweden and the Dutch, English, French and Spanish territories with ports are not an option for my crusades...

What I usually do is build a crusade and then build/move some quality troops into the next province as a shadow crusade and have both of them attack the destination province on the same turn - usually as directly as possible.

[Cebei]

Does it produce the same effect if I pass my Jihad through Rome? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

By the way a Grand Mosque in Rome suits real well. Roman Imams http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Quokka]

When I Crusade I try and go as directly as possible. I usually have the best troops anyway and the only thing I would get by stopping in Rome is a butt load of Peasants and Urban Militia while at the same time losing the Order Foot and Knights to attrition.

The worst position I have been in for being Crusaded through is as Poland in GA. I took Moldavia early and had just built a boat in the Black Sea so everyone sent them through Poland->Moldavia->Black Sea. Poland is dirt poor and can't afford to say no to any crusade, but Poland's zeal is 70+% so saying yes is sometimes just as bad as taking a hiding from the Crusade. I also couldn't afford to move the ship or my trade would have been nil.

It got ridiculous, at one stage I had an English, French and German crusade in Moldavia for 10 years. They were very weak and kept bouncing back from Turkish Georgia http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Fragony]

The AI playes by different rules. I can't do two crusades at a time, the AI can. It is annoying, but I have never had trouble dealing with crusades so far. The AI also seems to have way more freedom in moving it's crusades. The French decided to crusade against me, their target was tripoli, and they moved in from Egypt to Arabia, while I was always forced to take Sinan first and move up from there.

[MizuKokami]

i think it's possible to have two crusades going at the same time if they are against 2 separate factions.

[Fragony]

Well they were both aimed against me, I was playing as Egyptian, one was comming from north for antioch, one comming south for tripoli. Both crusades were french.

[o_loompah_the_delayer]

I have also seen two crusades simultaneuosly both of the HRE and both against my Turkish Antioch. But I dont think the player can launch two, even when the targets is excommed and the Pope has appealled for Crusades.

[Satyr]

You too can have 2 crusades at the same time against the same faction. If you have a crusade already on the way and the pope asks for a crusade against that faction, he will allow you to launch another (usually cheaply too).