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Having a great time as the English using MedMod 3.13.
My Spanish chums were besieged by the Almos in Leon so naturally I sent a force to relieve (and outnumber) them, led by my near superman of an heir, and so as not to get on the wrong side of the Spanish I made sure that Leon was actually owned by the Almohads.
The Almos fled back to Portugal, the Spanish had mysteriously shipped in enough men - previously non-existent in neighbouring provinces - to outnumber me and sent their gratitude, along with a bill for 7968 florins for the return of Prince Stephen and his entire army
The Alliance Chart claimed that we were still friends so WTF happened? Please tell me that this used to happen pre-MedMod.
Mega Dux Bob
11-07-2003, 21:48
Had something like that saving the Pope from the Egyptians as the HRE and I have VI loaded.
The_Emperor
11-07-2003, 21:51
This is what happens when you do a naval strike on an allied province and the port gets burned in the chaos...
Your men cannot return home and the province gets handed over, so naturally your allies ask you to pay for their transport home (and try to make a vast profit in the meantime)
Its a dirty trick, so beware http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Jacque Schtrapp
11-07-2003, 21:54
Likely scenario:
Leon had no port. The reason you could invade in support of the Spanish was because the province was under the control of the Almos and you can invade an enemy province with no port. When the siege was broken the province returned to the Spanish and you were left stranded in an allied province with no port from which to embark on your journey home. Thus the 7968F bill for train tickets to Castille as well as tickets for the luxury liner back to Wessex. You didn't expect the Spanish to foot the bill did you? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
The_Emperor
11-07-2003, 21:58
Jacque is right, the province being without a port is the most likely option.
But there is always the possibility that ports can be destroyed in the Pillage after a conquest... Especially as they are counted as not being inside the castle
Outnumbering your ally to claim a province only works if you both attack the province on the same turn.
What happened here is you relieved the siege for an ally and they sent you their gratitude(and a bill). It doesn't matter the size of the force you send as long as there is still 1 peasant in the castle they will gain control of the province once the seige is broken.
Buildings are damaged and destroyed when the castle falls, the only exceptions are cultural buildings from another culture that are destroyed instantly. In this case it wouldn't matter as there is no friendly land province for the army to retreat to it is in effect captured and ransomed back. Its the same as invading an island, neither army can retreat off the island and the loser is captured.
It sucks and as pointed out is not much in the way of gratitude. At least when you invade a province with an ally and don't get it because of numbers you get 1 Influence as compensation.
Just reran this again from a savegame the turn before.
The port was there before the Elmos retired to Portugal without a fight and after. The Spaniards committed about a fifteenth of the troops that I did - same result, higher ransom, 15000+, due to me committing more men this time.
I feel an Anglo-Spanish War coming on. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
You have to wait until the Almohads have taken full control of Leon, then you can attack and take the province. Attacking before that is raising the seige and it doesn't matter what amount of troops you send, the Spanish will regain control of Leon and send you a ransom note. The bigger the army you send the bigger the ransom.
lancer63
11-08-2003, 00:40
It doesn't matter if the prov. has a port. I saved the Italians from the Sicilyans in Sardinia. The enemy withdrew and everybody was happy until them sneaky green bambinos demanded a huge ransom for my more than trice as big as theirs army.
Never again I'll help an ally in distress. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif
Jacque Schtrapp
11-08-2003, 01:06
Quote[/b] (lancer63 @ Nov. 07 2003,17:40)]It doesn't matter if the prov. has a port. I saved the Italians from the Sicilyans in Sardinia. The enemy withdrew and everybody was happy until them sneaky green bambinos demanded a huge ransom for my more than trice as big as theirs army.
Never again I'll help an ally in distress. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif
That should only happen when a province has a port and your line of ships has been cut off somewhere by either you moving a ship or an enemy (probably the faction you saved your allies from) moved a ship into position, this effectively severs your route of "retreat" as well as if there wasn't a port in the first place. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Beelzebub
11-08-2003, 09:09
This can be used to your advantage though. I had the exact same problem (helping the spanish as the english) but they were in big trouble so I'll gladly give them a donation (they aren't really ransoming you, it's just a game bug, so you can consider it w/e you want). Theu got 10000 from me, and a few turns later they bribed an almo stack and with it, along with they're steady supply of newly trained knights (and some help from me) they started driving south. I walked away with Portugal for my troubles.
It can be better to buff up an ally that's taking a beating from a superior foe and take him on together than just letting your ally fall and having to deal with this strong enemy yourself later on.
I can now see that size matters only in a simultaneous allied invasion, but having a clear naval path before and after the attack, then being charged excise duty to take your army out of the country using your own ships is a bit much.
Not an Elmohead ship in sight, only Spanish ones between me and any of my provinces. Did they technically block me even though we were officially allies?
Anyway, I've returned the favour. The turbanned ruffians now rule Iberia minus Navarre and Castile and the Spanish have found it necessary to move to new premises in Friesland and Finland?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I was surprised by the number of times the Spanish ended up with no Iberian provinces but with a budding Russian empire in the Finland, Novgorod region.
I don't remember reading about that particular migration in any histories.
The Wizard
11-08-2003, 19:38
How about a vast French kingdom in the Middle East? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
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