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OK so it's like this.
I'm playing Byzantium and doing pretty well. I've beaten the Egyptians into one remaining province, Anatolia, with about 3000 troops pinned there. Just as I'm about to invade, a crusade appears (English if it's significant) with that province as its target. Great I think - they can whittle the buggers down a bit so I break the habit of a lifetime and let them through.
All they are doing is moving between Greece and Constantinople and looting every turn Am I condemned to have these louts doing this forever and bankrupting me in the process? I can't bring the Crusader army to battle, neither can I try to assassinate its commander. I've even considered using the money cheatcode just so that I can finish building stuff
Any ideas (apart from the obvious that I shouldn't let the swine in in the first place!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
???
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The Wizard
11-08-2003, 18:15
Can you attack them? If so, kick there god-damned backstabbing asses http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif
Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Nov. 08 2003,11:15)]Can you attack them? If so, kick there god-damned backstabbing asses http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif
Oh believe me I'd love to and it seems a perfectly reasonable thing to do but not a chance http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
The Wizard
11-08-2003, 18:20
Hmm... well the thing is, they have two move options: Nicaea or Greece, maybe even more (Trebizond, for one). The AI is an idiot and won't send in the Crusade because it'll lose the battle. So, you'll have to wait many years before the Crusade is finally disbanded... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
Quote[/b] (Wizzy @ Nov. 08 2003,11:20)]Hmm... well the thing is, they have two move options: Nicaea or Greece, maybe even more (Trebizond, for one). The AI is an idiot and won't send in the Crusade because it'll lose the battle. So, you'll have to wait many years before the Crusade is finally disbanded... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
you'll have to wait many years before the Crusade is finally disbanded
I was afraid you'd say that, although I'm reassured that from what you're saying, the thing will run out of steam eventually. I wonder if actually conquering Anatolia myself will make a difference?
That or an amphibious attack on England http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The Wizard
11-08-2003, 18:43
Conquering Anatolia as the Orthodox Byzantines will only get you into a war with the English, being another religion than Catholic and all..
A war? Great - then I'll be able to actually fight them
The Wizard
11-08-2003, 19:04
Yes and if you put a number of soldiers equal to theirs, or slightly larger, they'll stop moving around. Of course, when you're at war with them, make sure you have enough men in both Greece and Constantinople... once you defeat them they'll never return http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (Auxilia @ Nov. 09 2003,00:31)]I wonder if actually conquering Anatolia myself will make a difference?
That or an amphibious attack on England
Because you let them through your provinces already, if you take Anatolia the Crusade will head there and an emissary for the army will come forth and ask you to hand over the province peacefully, if you decline they will attack. Either way the Crusade will be over.
I have had this happen and declined to hand over the province and then had the Crusade (German) realise it couldn't win and retreat, except I owned all of the surrounding provinces as well and captured the whole thing for ransom.
A war with England may even only last one turn if you don't border them or share any sea regions, if you do then its a regular war instead of a quickie. Your amphibious attack question suggests a longer war.
About an amphibious attack, it is possible to be at war with a country and have a Crusade that you had previously allowed passage still continue unmolested.
The Wizard
11-08-2003, 19:33
It's been so long since Ive had the "hand over the province peacefully" thing that I forgot about it...
RisingSun
11-09-2003, 04:50
NO NO NO Don't do that stuff You guys are missing the obvious solution Just kill off the pope. Without the pope's support, the crusade will disband. Its only two porvinces to conquer, as well. Not very tough.
MizuKokami
11-09-2003, 05:12
the ai going between two provinces again and again was supposed to be fixed with the first patch of mtw. are you playing with a patched version of the game? if you are, i noticed before that the sea that is at the port for constansinople, as well as the sea of maramara, never gave me trade with the campaigns, and yes, they did have ports. i think it's a bug that, even with the port, doesn't count as a sea....(my wording is all wrong here) but there is some kind of bug with those two seas. perhaps the english are trying to take the port at constansinople. but for some reason while it is there, it can't find the port to go from there to anatolia. so it goes to greece to take the port there. but once it's in greece, it notices the port that's in constansinople and tries again to take the port there. it get's back to constansinople, can't find the port, so it moves back to greece to take that port.(insert eternal loop here)....
HEY ca...if your read this, that would likely just be a quicky patch.
Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ Nov. 09 2003,10:50)]NO NO NO Don't do that stuff You guys are missing the obvious solution Just kill off the pope. Without the pope's support, the crusade will disband. Its only two porvinces to conquer, as well. Not very tough.
Thats another option, and a fun one too. The only problem is keeping the Pope dead, he makes the Portugese and Scots seem like timid accountants.
Does it disband Crusades already underway? You can continue a Crusade if you get excommunicated, just can't launch any new ones. Nobody can launch any if the Pope is deposed.
Jacque Schtrapp
11-09-2003, 19:55
Quote[/b] (Auxilia @ Nov. 08 2003,11:13)]Am I condemned to have these louts doing this forever and bankrupting me in the process?
I've had this happen a few time before and even though a message came saying I lost x amount of florins, I never lost a red cent. It seems to work the same way that florins "pillaged" from a province taken from you by the enemy does: the money is never deducted from your treasury. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Doug-Thompson
11-09-2003, 21:00
Attack any English province or ship anywhere. This will start a war, allowing you to attack the Crusade.
Or better, whittle down the Egyptians in the Crusade's target province until the Crusade has some chance of winning. Then let them attack. They'll either lose and suffer severe casualties or win with casualties, a long way from any reinforcements. You can attack them after they win, because the Crusade's over.
Dîn-Heru
11-09-2003, 21:40
Quote[/b] (Jacque Schtrapp @ Nov. 09 2003,18:55)]
Quote[/b] (Auxilia @ Nov. 08 2003,11:13)]Am I condemned to have these louts doing this forever and bankrupting me in the process?
I've had this happen a few time before and even though a message came saying I lost x amount of florins, I never lost a red cent. It seems to work the same way that florins "pillaged" from a province taken from you by the enemy does: the money is never deducted from your treasury. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
If you don't lose any money does that perhaps mean that the effect of looting a province is decreased hapiness in that province?
Well folks I'd hate to draw a lively discussion to a close but I cracked it - I knocked over the target province and promptly told said Crusading Army to bugger off when they asked for it. Then they blundered into a 5000 strong veteran army http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The Wizard
11-09-2003, 22:19
Ouch...
Hehehehe
Destroying Crusades is so much fun.
Perhaps I'm wrong here, since I've not actually tried it, but what about simply declaring war on the english?
As far as I know that means that their crusade will automatically attack the army in whichever province it is in/moves to under your control.
Doug-Thompson
11-10-2003, 17:12
Quote[/b] (Auxilia @ Nov. 09 2003,15:00)]Well folks I'd hate to draw a lively discussion to a close but I cracked it - I knocked over the target province and promptly told said Crusading Army to bugger off when they asked for it. Then they blundered into a 5000 strong veteran army http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Well, that worked out nicely.
Jacque Schtrapp
11-10-2003, 17:33
Quote[/b] (Daevyll @ Nov. 10 2003,09:34)]As far as I know that means that their crusade will automatically attack the army in whichever province it is in/moves to under your control.
Actually I don't think it does. I know Jihads don't. My last game as the Poles I took Kiev from the Turks and they sent a Jihad to reclaim it. Since the Jihad was moving through formerly othrodox territory it failed to increase in size and simply sat in Khazar for a couple of years. Then the Mongols show up and promptly go to war with the Turks. The Jihad remains in Mongol controlled territory for five more years until they join a Mongol attack on Kiev. End of Mongols, end of Jihad. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
MizuKokami
11-10-2003, 17:35
of course, you could have, maybe, incited a rebellion in one of your povinces, then moved with the crusader army to the rebel territory. of course you would attack the crusade after it helped you dispatch the rebellion. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
The Wizard
11-10-2003, 17:52
You've been reading too much Machiavelli Kokami.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Quote[/b] (Quokka @ Nov. 10 2003,03:43)]Hehehehe
Destroying Crusades is so much fun.
Yes it is rather satisfying - one could get used to such pleasures http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
brent_james
11-10-2003, 22:19
Quote[/b] (Daevyll @ Nov. 10 2003,09:34)]Perhaps I'm wrong here, since I've not actually tried it, but what about simply declaring war on the english?
As far as I know that means that their crusade will automatically attack the army in whichever province it is in/moves to under your control.
Once, as the English, I was at war with the french, yet they still could put their crusade through my lands without attacking or being attacked.
MrWhipple
11-12-2003, 19:13
Has anybody thought of the tatic of finding where the crusade started from and attack that provence, destroying the chapter house and the crusade fails and vanishes. This has the added side effect of the enemy (English in this case) loosing influence The AI has done this to me a few times.
Brutal DLX
11-13-2003, 10:06
Yes, that is a very clever and viable tactic which should be used in desperate times only http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Can send an empire into civil war right away.
Quote[/b] (Quokka @ Nov. 09 2003,11:43)]You guys are missing the obvious solution Just kill off the pope.
That's next on my list http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
king steven
11-21-2003, 13:18
[QUOTE]NO NO NO Don't do that stuff You guys are missing the obvious solution Just kill off the pope. Without the pope's support, the crusade will disband. Its only two porvinces to conquer, as well. Not very tough.
why, he'll return ina couple of turns
Coldstream
11-24-2003, 06:51
Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ Nov. 08 2003,21:50)]NO NO NO Don't do that stuff You guys are missing the obvious solution Just kill off the pope. Without the pope's support, the crusade will disband. Its only two porvinces to conquer, as well. Not very tough.
Oh come on folks, that's all wrong. Why march in an army when removal of His Most Holy Pope can be easily accomplished by one man with a dagger?
Anyone ever tried to inquisite the Pope? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Brutal DLX
11-24-2003, 09:53
Yes, but that doesn't disband the crusades as a new Pope will be elected. You would have to conquer the Papacy to eliminate it.
MrWhipple
11-24-2003, 22:00
Quote[/b] (Brutal DLX @ Nov. 13 2003,01:06)]Yes, that is a very clever and viable tactic which should be used in desperate times only http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Can send an empire into civil war right away.
But often that is exactly what I want. In this case the stinking Angles would be tossed into a bitter inner conflict that I could well profit from by picking off a few choice provences that have gone rebel.
Kristaps
11-28-2003, 19:59
Killing the Pope WON'T stop any crusades already sanctioned by him... Simply, no one will be able to launch new crusades, that's all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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