A little help?

[frogbeastegg]

Can anyone supply a list of unit support costs? I need them for my unit guide.

The clan Berserk unit stat comparison tool has some support stats listed but they are wrong - it costs 37 florins per year to keep a unit of peasants not the listed 5. The unit_prod files list the same costs as the Berserk tool.

So has anyone got a list of the unit support costs as listed in the campaign game? Or can someone tell me how to twist the costs in the unit_prod files into the real number? I just don't have the time to go through all the units myself in game.

[Brother Derfel]

Are you using normal unit sizes in the Campaign game? If you have your units on large or huge that might explain why the supoort costs arn't the same as the Unit-Prod files, cos thses should be correct.

[frogbeastegg]

I use the setting above default, large or whatever it is called. However the unit size is not the problem as Bushface (one of my proofreaders in this case) also raised the matter and he always has his units set to default. The unit size will impact the support costs but I wouldn't think that an extra 33 peasants would cost 32 florins more Anyway the 37 florin support cost was an example he gave me from his game to illustrate how wrong the stats were, of course I already knew something was off but this gave me something concreate.

[Norseman]

You can easily make a list of support costs with Excel :
1)Open "crusaders_unit_prod11.txt" in WordPad
2)Copy all content
3)Paste into Excel
4)Delete all columns except i)Unit Name, ii)Support cost and iii)Number of men
5)Multiply Support cost with 0.125, and multiply that with Number of men for each unit.
6)Example: peasants; 100 men(on default), support cost 3:
3 x 0.125 x 100 =37.5
7)If you want support costs for varying unit sizes just multiply "Number of men" with percentage increase.

[frogbeastegg]

Thank you I haven't got Excel so I'll have to do it the hard way (pen and paper, maybe a calculator) but all the same it should be quicker than digging around in the campaign games.

Thanks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I'll add you to the credits.

[Norseman]

Quote[/b] ]
(pen and paper, maybe a calculator)


Pen and paper...????

In that case, I'll do it for you. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

How do you want it? e-mail or uploaded to the .org?

[Quokka]

Here you go. I have all of this in a Excel spreadsheet that I can send to you, check your PM.

You can download an Excel Viewer (http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx) from here. Beg, borrow, or steal Excel when you get the chance.

Peasants/Militias
Peasants 37
Woodsmen 22
Slav Warriors 37
Viking Thralls 37
Urban Militia 30
Militia Sergeants 30
Highland Clansmen 22
Almohad Urban Militia 37
Halbardiers 45
Swiss Halbardiers 52
Fanatics 50
Muslim Peasants 37

Spears
Spearmen 50
Roundshield Spearmen 50
Armoured Spearmen 50
Rus Spearmen 62
Feudal Sergeants 62
Fyrdmen 62
Chivalric Sergeants 62
Italian Infantry 62
Gothic Sergeants 62
Billmen 37
Almughavars 60
Nubian Spearmen 37
Muwahid Foot Soldiers 37
Murabitin Infantry 37
Saracen Infantry 50
Order Foot Soldiers 62

Pikes
Pikemen 62
Swiss Pikemen 48
Swiss Armoured Pikemen 60

Melee
Vikings 37
Viking Landsmenn 52
Viking Carls 37
Viking Huscarles 75
Gallowglass 22
Feudal Men-at-Arms 45
Swabian Swordsmen 45
Chivalric Men-at-Arms 52
Feudal Foot Knights 50
Chivalric Foot Knights 50
Hospitaller Foot Knights 25
Gothic Foot Knights 30
Byzantine Infantry 62
Early Varangian Guard 75
Varangian Guard 75
Arab Infantry 45
Abyssinian Guard 75
Ghazi Infantry 30
Dismounted Faris 35
Janissary Heavy Infantry 67

Light/Medium Cavalry
Hobilars 40
Horsemen 45
Mounted Sergeants 50
Polish Retainers 60
Alan Mercenary Cavalry 50
Byzantine Lancers 70
Druzhina Cavalry 60
Beduoin Camel Warriors 40
Saharan Cavalry 40
Mamluk Cavalry 70
Ottoman Sipahi 65
Steppe Cavalry 40
Lithuanian Cavalry 50

Heavy Cavalry
Feudal Knights 105
Teutonic Sergeants 40
Chivalric Knights 85
Gendarmes 70
Lancers 85
Gothic Knights 60
Teutonic Knights 50
Knights Templar 50
Knights Hospitaller 50
Knights of Santiago 50
Early Royal Knights 62
High Royal Knights 62
Late Royal Knights 62
Kataphraktoi 105
Pronoiai Allagion 125
Early Ghulam Bodyguards 62
High Ghulam Bodyguards 62
Late Ghulam Bodyguards 62
Ghulam Cavalry 70
Khwarazmian Cavalry 70
Avar Nobles 60
Armenian Heavy Cavalry 60
Khazar Royal Cavalry 105
Mongol Heavy Cavalry 50

Mounted Archers
Horse Archers 40
Turcoploes 40
Mounted Crossbowmen 50
Szekely 50
Spanish Jinetes 50
Byzantine Cavalry 85
Boyars 105
Berber Camel Archers 30
Turcoman Horse 40
Mamluk Horse Archers 70
Faris 70
Sipahi-of-the-Porte 105
Steppe Heavy Cavalry 45
Mongol Horse Archers 30

Foot Archers/Hybrids
Archers 37
Genoese Sailors 30
Longbowmen 45
Bulgarian Brigands 30
Sherwood Foresters 10
Trebizond Archers 52
Desert Archers 37
Turcoman Foot 30
Futuwwas 37
Nizari 30
Hashashin 15
Janissary Archers 52
Janissary Infantry 52
Ottoman Infantry 37
Crossbowmen 22
Pavise Crossbowmen 22
Arbalester 22
Pavise Arbalester 22
Handgunners 30
Arquebusiers 22
Mamluk Handgunners 30
Naptha Throwers 37
Mongol Warriors 22

Javelinmen
Jobbagy 22
Kerns 22
Slav Javelinmen 22
Spanish Javelinmen 37

Seige Weapons
Ballista 10
Catapult 25
Trebuchet 12
Mangonel 30
Bombard 22
Mortar 12
Demi-Culverin 15
Demi-Cannon 25
Culverin 17
Seige Cannon 25
Serpentine 15
Organ Gun 5

[Quokka]

Quote[/b] (Norseman @ Nov. 09 2003,23:52)]
Quote[/b] ]
(pen and paper, maybe a calculator)


Pen and paper...????

In that case, I'll do it for you. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

How do you want it? e-mail or uploaded to the .org?
Horrified me too when I saw this.

Norseman you want to do a double check, I did this a while ago and no longer play unmodded MTW so I can't spot any obvious errors.

[frogbeastegg]

Wow I go and write a section on Gendarmes and get back to this Thank you, both of you. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I shall use the list Quokka just posted. I shall include the formula from Norseman so anyone crazy enough to want to work out the support cost for different unit sizes can do so. I will add you both to the credits.

I did mean it about the pen and paper you know, I might be mad but I am a dedicated mad person http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif It would probably have come out wrong anyway, numbers and myself do not mix well

Thanks for the link to the free excel viewer, I shall get a copy ASAP. I've also replied to your PM.

[Quokka]

I have sent the sheets, you should have them soon.

I'll enjoy reading your unit guide

[CeeBod]

I can't see Celtic Warriors anywhere on that list -

In my latest campaign, I kind of stumbled across them by accident - teching Ireland up for the Gallowglass, I suddenly discovered myself able to train Celtic Warriors too - but only in early. As a 100 man unit that's not bad in combat, and with a pitiful support cost of just 25, it seemed like the perfect garrison unit to me - I'd have gone for taking Ireland earlier if I'd known http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Please somebody tell me that I didn't just imagine that? (I can't check as my comp is now seriously unwell - I might have to reformat my HDD ( again ) - losing all my save games http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif )

[Quokka]

You are indeed correct, they are only available in Ireland and Wales and only in Early. 100 Highland Clansmen and cheaper to upkeep. Perfect garrison fodder, they are cheaper than peasants, a real gem. These are also missing.

Berserkers 7
Celtic Warriors 25
Dismounted Nobles 50
Mounted Nobles 105
Royal Bodyguards 62
Royal Bodyguards (Foot) 30
Saxon Huscarles 75
Pictish Cavalry 35
Viking Raider Cavalry 40

[MrWhipple]

Thanx people good schtuff

[motorhead]

For viking campaigns, the vikings unit prod file has slightly different support structure for at least these units:
peasants: support factor 1 (12 support, 37 in reg camp)
highlanders: sf 2 (15 support, 22 r.c.)
archers: sf 4 (30 support, 37 r.c.)
kerns: sf 2 (15 support, 22 r.c.)