Look what I found! Alexander the Great Photos!

[Spino]

I don't have high hopes for the movie, especially in light on the terrible casting decisions but this IS an Alexander the Great epic we're talking about here

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[ShaiHulud]

Hmmm, Very few look the part of a Macedonian, or Greek, trained from childhood for battle. Some of the puny arms shown, gah

I was looking for those old, grizzled generals handed down from his father. Didn't see any who fit. Likewise, where's Alex's golden helm, that so distinguished him in battle? Surely not that thing with the feathers

[noramis]

Is that Colin Farrell playing the lead? Hah, it is ... and it's coming out in one year.

Alexander (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808402866&cf=info&intl=us)

[spmetla]

Alexander the Great was blond?

[Rosacrux]

...according to Shmollywood, Hannibal Barka was black and Cleopatra Egyptian, so... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

But seems the northern Greeks (Macedonian, Hepirot, even some Thessalian) of that time, had lighter colours than the rest of the Greek.

The Kallas, a tribe in Afghanistan that speak a mutated Greek dialect and claim descedancy from Alexander's soldiers who settled there when he conquered the world, do have blond- light brown hair and gray eyes.

P.S. They do seem to depict the era (custom and atmosphere-wise) surprisingly good... for a Schmollywood film, that is.

[spmetla]

I guess it makes sense. The macedonians were relatively close to were the germans were at the time.

And that could also be one of the reasons the Greeks considered the Macedonians not as Greeks but as Honorary Greeks.

[Rosacrux]

Quote[/b] (spmetla @ Nov. 13 2003,04:35)]I guess it makes sense. The macedonians were relatively close to were the germans were at the time.

And that could also be one of the reasons the Greeks considered the Macedonians not as Greeks but as Honorary Greeks.
I don't think I understand what you mean with "close to Germans" and "honorary Greeks".

The Macedonian were accepted as 100% Greeks since the 6th century BC (they took part in the Olympics, for instance) and only sworn enemies of them, like Demosthenes, would go off that collective acceptance to speak about "semi-barbarians"...

The reason for this is two-fold: First, the Macedonian Kingdom was... a Kingdom. Southern Greeks were democratic as can be and they never understood how a non-barbaric people would accept someone to rule them and not rule themselves.

The second point is that the kingdom of Macedon was not ethnically "pure", but it had - besides the Dorian Greek Makednoi (Macedones), several barbaric or semi-barbaric (Thracian, Paeonian, Illyrian) subjects.

But the ruling class and the bulk of it's citizen were of Greek descendancy, nobody should doubt that (the Macedonian themselves never did - they considered themselves Greek and were extremely proud of it).

[hellenes]

As i can see from the photoes the Hollywood witch hunters cannot decide whether to depict the REAL-GREEK-WAVING-NOW-CONSIDERED-NAZI-ETCETC http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif The whole bias has gone these far....I just hope that the director will ignore the pollitically correct and Collin will lift his right hand to greet his soldiers....

Hellenes

[Cebei]

Oh no Colin Farell....... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif Very unfit.. Colin Farell blonde.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/argue.gif

[rasoforos]

1) none of these guys looks ever remotedly greek They look swedish or something... :/ ... i guess this follows the long tradition of blue eyed blond Jesuses http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
2) gold? breastplates?

not to mention the lack of facial hair .. :P

[Cebei]

""What is the difference between Hellenic and Greek? With that answer in mind, do you think that Alexander the Great was Greek or Hellenic? Explain in detail.""

Hehehe exam question http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[rasoforos]

hellenic/greek :someone or something who/which comes from Greece/Hellas

They mean the same but they come from different routs. Hellas is how we call our country and how it should actually be called ( for example official documents will say hellenic republic and not greek republic). Greece is the rout for most foreign words for Greece , it probably derives from a hellenic tribe called 'Graikoi' who were in contact with the Latins who in the end used that name to describe all Hellenes.
So more or less you can use whatever you want , its the same thing.

[Cebei]

That was really an exam question of the Byzantine History course. I wonder how I could remember it.. Anyway thanks.. But is Alex Greek or Macedonian?

[rasoforos]

The Macedonians were/are Greeks , their language , religion ( lets not forget mount olympus is in Macedonia) , customs , are greek.In addition they participated in the Olympic games ( youcouldnt do tha if you werent considered greek). They relate to the spartans more than to the Athenians ( both tribes were Dorians , or legendary descendants of Hercules). The main difference between the southern and northern Greek tribes was that although the southern greeks were mainly organised in city states , the northern greeks had to organise in larger structures ( kingdoms of Macedonia and Epiros ) mainly to protect themselves from invaders from the north. This way they actually acted as a buffer of protectionfor the southern Greeks , untill their economics improved and greak strategists like Phillip and Alexander appeared , after that they proceeded in a sort of Hellenic unification by subduing most of greece under their haegemony. ( the unification plan was basically inspired and dictated to Phillip by the athenian Isocrates ( with an I ). Some of Isocrates' scripts to phillip have been saved and can be found if anyone wishes to read them.

[Cebei]

I dont know any Greek http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif so I cant read them.

That was a thorough explanation. I want to ask another thing, irrelevant with ancient times. If Greeks and Macedonians are not so diverse, then why did Greece opposed to a Macedonian state after the breakaway of Yugoslavia and insisted on the name FYROM instead of Macedonia?

[rasoforos]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Nov. 13 2003,08:04)]I dont know any Greek http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif so I cant read them.

That was a thorough explanation. I want to ask another thing, irrelevant with ancient times. If Greeks and Macedonians are not so diverse, then why did Greece opposed to a Macedonian state after the breakaway of Yugoslavia and insisted on the name FYROM instead of Macedonia?
Because that ' macedonia ' was practically fictious. That region of ex-yugoslavia was named macedonia in the 50's by Tito ( it was previous more or less included in Serbia) and the populatio is of course slavic. As we know the slabs came to the area much later and didnt eshtablish themselves there before 600AD , tha is 1000 years after Alexander.
When they ex-yugoslavia was no more , they decided to pick a very strange but popular historical road . The famous ' if you dont have history borrow someone elses ' . They used the Macedonian Emblem as their flag, claimed to be real Macedonians and at a point even printed notes with areas from Greece http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif . Of course all this pissed the government and our people off and a long but stupid diplomatic struggle started. The final result was that the official name was changed to ' former yugoslavic republic of maedonia o FYROM , to denote geographical and not historical ecentancy , the flag was changed and diplomatic relations got A LOT better ( in fact greek investment makes up for a huge percentage of the FDI in the country , oil pipes have been established , and commerce is very strong).
Unfortunatelly their country faces a lot of internal problems with their albanian minority and this reduces the development potential resulting in a very low GDP per capita.


P.S :Trying to find some Isocratics tranlsated in English , i ll post if i find something

[rasoforos]

ok i found something .
Some words aout Isocrates and Phillip i found online :


In 346 BC when he was 90 years old, Isocrates wrote a discourse to Philip, king of Macedonia, who had just concluded a ten-year war with Athens over control of Amphipolis. Isocrates opposed the war as bad for both sides, arguing that it was to the advantage of Macedonia for Athens to possess Amphipolis but not to acquire it. He tried to persuade Philip that friendship with Athens was worth more than the revenues of Amphipolis, while he hoped that Athens would learn not to plant colonies in areas of conflict. By surrendering this territory Philip would still hold the power in the region while gaining the good will of Athens with hostages to guarantee their friendship. The peace was concluded before Isocrates finished his discourse, and he approved it.

Once again Isocrates urged all the Greeks to make peace with each other and launch a campaign against the barbarians in Asia. Isocrates believed that Philip, having the highest position and power in Greece, was the one to lead this effort. If he could reconcile Argos, Lacedaemon, Thebes, and Athens to take a sane view, all the other Greeks would follow. He hoped that friendly acts would help them forget past wrongs. Isocrates criticized those who were jealous of Philip and who found peace a state of war against their selfish interests. King Agesilaus of Sparta had tried to invade the Persian empire after the Peloponnesian War but failed because he had not first settled the quarrels among Greeks, and many resented the oligarchies Sparta set up at that time. Even if Philip did not conquer all of Persia, at least he could liberate the Greeks on the coast of Asia. Knowing Philip already had power and wealth, Isocrates appealed to his desire for honor and lasting fame.

Four years later in a letter Isocrates again asked Philip to lead a Greek expedition against Persia, and finally after the battle of Chaeronea when he was 98, Isocrates wrote his last letter urging Philip to bring all the Greeks into concord and take up the conquest his son Alexander would soon accomplish. Isocrates had also written a short letter to young Alexander in 342 BC warning him against disputation and encouraging his study of rhetoric; this was probably about the time that Aristotle began to tutor the Macedonian prince.



Link of Phillip from Isocrates ( unchecked so i dont know the quality of translation) (http://classicpersuasion.org/pw/isocrates/pwisoc5.htm#1)

[Cebei]

Slavic Macedonians LOL I understand the sensitivity of the Greek government. Thanks for the link too..

[Mega Dux Bob]

Oh boy, aren't we all on a shoot first, ask questions later mode? They clearly used the Pompey mosiac of Alexander chasing the Persian Emperor for the movie; the white tunic, gold breast plate, the blond hair and no helmet all from that mosaic.

[Spino]

Quote[/b] ]1) none of these guys looks ever remotedly greek They look swedish or something... :/ ... i guess this follows the long tradition of blue eyed blond Jesuses
2) gold? breastplates?

not to mention the lack of facial hair .. :P

Very true but some of them are passable Check out the cast for the upcoming "Troy" epic if you want to see some ridiculously non-Greek looking actors playing the parts of Achilles, Odysseus, etc. Troy's cast would look more at home in a production of Beowulf than Troy Anyway, if you think these actors don't look Greek enough to be in a biopic on Alexander the Great just wait until you see who they cast as Roxanne, Alexander's Afghan bride... Rosario Dawson. You know Rosario, she was the African-American actress from "Men in Black II".... ROTFLMAO

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Here's the link for "Alexander" on www.imdb.com. Check out the rest of the cast and prepare to have your head spun about like a top.:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0346491/

As to the lack of facial hair well that was one of Alexander's reforms when he took over the army from his father. He believed the presence of a full beard could potentially give an advantage to an enemy in hand to hand combat.

[Lazul]

First I Thought; Finally an Alexande the Great Movie
but... Collin as Alexander?... bha... om its going to like lord of the rings.. all the little anoying 14year old girls saying: "OH HE IS SO GOODLOOKING" and then they wona marry him(frodo/alexander)...
Must everthing in "Holy-wood" be so damn "nice"... hope you know what i mean.
Well... im atleast hoping for some good action... alot of blood and maybe som nakedness.... mmmmm

And someone here said he looked swedish?... grrr... we swedes arent all BLOND... damn "holy-woods" fault

[rasoforos]

Quote[/b] (Lazul @ Nov. 13 2003,10:13)]And someone here said he looked swedish?... grrr... we swedes arent all BLOND... damn "holy-woods" fault
sorry about that Lazul http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[The Wizard]

Hanibal Barca black? *faints*

[Teutonic Knight]

http://www.thezreview.co.uk/images2/alexander18.jpg
hey look, it's Jesus http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[MrWhipple]

Hey, at least they didn't put stirrups on the saddles, one of my pet anachronisms. I did kinda dig the fire extinguisher next to the Assryian wall though.

[rasoforos]

Quote[/b] (MrWhipple @ Nov. 13 2003,16:09)]Hey, at least they didn't put stirrups on the saddles, one of my pet anachronisms. I did kinda dig the fire extinguisher next to the Assryian wall though.
yep that sucks....everyone can see that this fire extinguisher is summerian http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

My godWho are these wimps?

Alexander was much tougher,and who are these around him?i would'nt call them companions,they don't even remotley look like them....

man i hate hollywood to the bone i tell you,they never get anything right... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Tachikaze]

I didn't know that Art Garfunkel rode with Alexander

I pictured Alexander to be a much more intelligent-looking man. I also think the filmmakers took the description of Alexander as "blonde" too literally. "Blonde" to many dark-haired cultures means "light brown", not bright yellow.

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (Tachikaze @ Nov. 18 2003,07:00)]I didn't know that Art Garfunkel rode with Alexander

"Blonde" to many dark-haired cultures means "light brown", not bright yellow.
Double ROFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Alexander looks like an idiot there... it's kinda how I pictured Darius III...

[gaelic cowboy]

Interesting to see if he can carry off a leading role the film is Alexander so it means Farrel will be the main focus of the picture.

[Scipio]

I just hope we dont see another Gladiator movie http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Lazul]

Whats so terrible about Gladiator?... if dont get all historicly fanatic http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[The Wizard]

Lol Gladiator is one of my fave movies ever..

Anyhoo this doesn't look as promising as Troy or Master & Commander... maybe because of Alexnader's ugly head. -_-

[Scipio]

True Wiz on that note when is troy comming to theatre? Now that looks like a good movie to watch although it might be hard to beet some of the other trojan war movie like Helen Of Troy

[The Wizard]

Hm, wasn't it slated for Q2 2004?

The funniest scene was definately the million Mycenean ships sailing for Troy... Takes about 10-15 seconds before the scene unfolds showing them all... the real number can probably be seen somewhere around the 5-7th second. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Scipio]

Ya that was pretty crazy seeing all those ships

[spmetla]

That scene alone made me disgusted with the movie. I was in the theatre and saw the ship and it slowly zoomed out I'm thinking ah cool check this out then this better stop then NOO they're stupifing this.

WOnder how they're going to depicte a 10 year long war in 3 hours.

[Spino]

Found one more photo...

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/Images/moviestills/a/alexander(stone)/1.jpg

Take a look at the helmet on the left... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes4.gif

Oliver Stone: "Colin baby, once more... with feeling" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-joker.gif

[magnatz]

Quote[/b] (Scipio @ Nov. 22 2003,11:36)]I just hope we dont see another Gladiator movie http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes.gif
That would be sad indeed.

[Rosacrux]

Quote[/b] (spmetla @ Nov. 23 2003,17:04)]That scene alone made me disgusted with the movie. I was in the theatre and saw the ship and it slowly zoomed out I'm thinking ah cool check this out then this better stop then NOO they're stupifing this.

WOnder how they're going to depicte a 10 year long war in 3 hours.
May I humbly disagree? Homer talks about 1000+ ships that carried the Greeks to Troy (and about an expedition force of 100.000 men http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-speechless.gif ). Of course, none should take those numbers as anything other than (very) creative imagination, but when one produces a work of art (as a film is supposed to be) about Troys siege, following the "spirit" of the author who provided us with the story about the fall of Troy, is the way to go...

...no? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes.gif

[magnatz]

Didn't see the scene, but some hundreds of ships are entirely credible:


Quote[/b] ]
Battle of Salamis, 480 BC, Greece. A Greek navy of about 380 ships (ca 200 triremes) defeated the Persian navy of about 600 ships. According to Herodotus, this was the decisive point in the Greek-Persian war.

Battle of the Egadi Islands, 241 BC. This battle was off Sicily and a Roman victory (c 200 ships) against Carthage (c 170 ships), which concluded the First Punic War. The probable wrecks of two Punic warships have been found.

Actium Battle, western Greece. This was the Roman victory at Actium against Mark Anthony and Cleopatra in 31 BC. 350 enemy ships were captured. From them, about 35 bronze rams were taken to decorate the Actian Naval Monument. The rams are now gone from the monument, but the fittings are still there. Ref Les dossiers d'archéologie, Editions Faton, juin 1993.


More info and links : http://www.abc.se/~pa/uwa/nav-batt.htm

[Rosacrux]

Well, Magnatz, even though the number Herodotus provides for the battle of Salamis are considered more or less accurate (on a sidenote, I wonder why the same historians who accept a 650+ Persian warfleet, they do not consider the numbers he gives us for the Persian army of the same credibility), this is not the case with Homer's estimation of 1200 ships and 100.000 men venturing to capture Troy. And involvid in a 10year siege, ferchristsake

To understand how over-the-edge this number is, the whole population (Greek, pre-Greek, proto-Greek and non-Greek) of what was called "Hellas" by those times, was barely 7 or 800.000 people at 1200 BC...

Of course as I explain in another the thread, this scene is astounding, no matter 99% of the on-scene boaties are CG and do not look like those we presume the Achaeans had back then...

...but that's another story, huh? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes.gif

[magnatz]

I wasn't trying to defend Homer's numbers - which of course are hugely inflated as you correctly point out - , but rather the number of ships shown in the movie scene. Again, I didn't see the scene myself, so I have no idea of how many ships are shown; some hundreds could be reasonable (leaving alone that they couldn't have possibly sailed border-to-border), but thousands ? no way.

As for the ship CG, I can only hope they didn't reuse the models from Master and Commander... ;) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif

[Rosacrux]

Luckily not http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-happy2.gif them ships though look like some ships as depicted on several (not quite naturalistic) late 7th century vases (actually, the Troy ships look suspiciusly alot like pendikondoroi who resemble triremes in a way... some kind of an hybrid).

And they are many... reeeally many More than 500-600 in the same single shot... maybe even more. Puters perform wonders, don't they?

[Teutonic Knight]

What is these modern nitpicking historians problem with Herodotus? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-argue.gif

[Rosacrux]

Quote[/b] (Teutonic Knight @ Jan. 16 2004,12:06)]What is these modern nitpicking historians problem with Herodotus? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-argue.gif
well... when they sum up the numbers Herodotus gives and figure that the Persian army should be about 2 mi. people... I won't be the one to tell them they ain't right to nitpick a bit.

Of course, by accepting that the Greeks (and not even all of them) who numbered about 1 to 1.2 mi. in the whole helladic area, could amass a 120.000 men strong army in Platees (one of the few Herodotus' numbers modern historians tend to take "as is" - some tend to talk about "50.000 hoplites and an equal number of auxiliaries") they kinda ignore the fact that the Persian empire had c. 28 mi. subjects at that time...

...and think only about them ships... 650 warships (biremes, triremes mostly) would need like... at least 100.000 people to move them (150 to 200 per ship). And them Persians had at least the same number of cargo ships with them. And the Persian annals tell us that an emperor would not go on a big conquer expedition without taking at least one "Imperial Army" (that is 360.000 men) with him - usually he'd take two imperial armies.

But still, many of them nitpicking historians insist that the Persian invasion force "couldn't" number more than 40.000 men http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

Pu-leeeeease http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif

[Teutonic Knight]

http://www.feedback.nildram.co.uk/richardebbs/essays/images/persianempire500bc.jpg

40,000 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif come on now....

Even when Herodotus states something that's less than believable, he usually says so beforehand.

[iostephanos]

Quote[/b] (rasoforos @ Nov. 13 2003,08:58)]religion ( let's not forget mount olympus is in Macedonia)...
looks like i showed up after the party was over; oh well - i appreciate the level-headedness and general level of education shown in the more sensitive parts of the topic, though... not everyone is aware of tito, or that during the greek civil war the communist side (which had ties to tito until his break with moscow) had promised to create a state out of macedonia for the slavs - this may be a factor in the persistance of the "greater macedonia" and "greek occupation" propaganda. i've been through some forums where it gets ugly (someone even had a sig that said he was "pure-blooded macedonian" like alexander and the philosopher aristotle - alexander had an epirote mother and aristotle was born in a greek colony on the shore...)

anyway, all this mumbling aside, i just wanted to say that mount olympus is in thessaly, not macedonia...

steph

[Parmenio]

The film stills look pretty decent to be honest.

I can recognise most of the armour and helmets. The feathered helm certainly functions in the designed manner to make the general stand out. Even the bleached hair is consistant with a dark blonde who spends a lot of time outdoors.

I imagine with the need for a great many stuntmen they've slipped a few stuntwomen in there to make up numbers which explains some of the less muscular Companions. That said most soldiers are going to be more wiry than bodybuilders anyway.

[Spino]

Some more pics...

The official movie poster:

http://www.movie-source.com/stills/62_4.jpg

More production photos:

http://romanticmovies.about.com/library/graphics/alexanderpubc.jpg

http://romanticmovies.about.com/library/graphics/alexanderpubf.jpg

http://romanticmovies.about.com/library/graphics/alexanderpubd.jpg

[Highlander X]

just wait till they butcher the King Arthur movie http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Lord Godfrey]

They already have with Sean Connery and Richard Gere in "First Knight"

[John86]

My god, colin looks simply pathetic in those pics http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tomato.gif

[Highlander X]

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http://www.murphsplace.com/owen/arthur/images3/trailer1.jpg
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[Teutonic Knight]

http://www.ioanonline.com/albums/album84/ka_14.sized.jpg

who are these people supposed to be? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Teutonic Knight @ Mar. 29 2004,16:28)]http://www.ioanonline.com/albums/album84/ka_14.sized.jpg

who are these people supposed to be? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Vikings, of course They were well known to be running around Troy in 1200BC... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh4.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh4.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh4.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

OK,OK I know it's for the King Arthur movie... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif

BTW, Saxon Huscarles anyone? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

[Highlander X]

yep, the English look pretty cool. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Cebei]

I dont think any better Arthurian movie can be made after Mists of Avalon. By the way did they really got huscarles during the Arthurian times.....around 7th century? And who is that guy with massive Roman armor? Dont tell me he is arthur? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Or am I massively confusing things? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Rosacrux]

Oh, well, as long as they don't present 7th century Anglos as 15th century plate armour types (as seen in Excalibur and all Arthurian movies actually) its ok with me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ Mar. 30 2004,03:19)]yep, the English look pretty cool. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
Remember the Saxons that you see in the picture aren't English, they are Germanic invaders. The real English at the time are represented by the Romano-Celtic populations, which includes the guy on the armoured horse, King Arthur himself...

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 30 2004,04:40)]I dont think any better Arthurian movie can be made after Mists of Avalon. By the way did they really got huscarles during the Arthurian times.....around 7th century? And who is that guy with massive Roman armor? Dont tell me he is arthur? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Or am I massively confusing things? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif
Yeap. It's Arthur alright. According to late theories,King Arthur was the leader of the Romano-Celtic populations of Roman culture, in Britain, during the Germanic invasions. So, effectivelly their armour and tactics should be similar to the Late Imperial Roman Armies. Nothing wrong in the picture. Historically, it's more correct than any previous film, although that doesn't mean it's a better film than previous ones... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Rosacrux @ Mar. 30 2004,04:53)]Oh, well, as long as they don't present 7th century Anglos as 15th century plate armour types (as seen in Excalibur and all Arthurian movies actually) its ok with me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif
Preciselly. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

Although I have to confess: I like John Boorman's film... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I have to say the trailer looks good for arthur, don't really like the way some of the Celts are potrayed. Personally i'm looking forward more for Hellboy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 30 2004,10:40)]I dont think any better Arthurian movie can be made after Mists of Avalon. By the way did they really got huscarles during the Arthurian times.....around 7th century? And who is that guy with massive Roman armor? Dont tell me he is arthur? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Or am I massively confusing things? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif
Well, the king Arthur movie is quite a bit more realistic than Troy or Alexander the Great... logical that a king of Romano-Britons wears Roman-type weapons.



~Wiz

[VikingHorde]

Quote[/b] (Rosacrux @ Mar. 30 2004,05:53)]Oh, well, as long as they don't present 7th century Anglos as 15th century plate armour types (as seen in Excalibur and all Arthurian movies actually) its ok with me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif
It sucks when they do that. Some moviemakers need to read more history books, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif hmmm.. no plate armour, but they look so good. Oh well http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Teutonic Knight]

I just learned that Kiera Knightly will also play a leading role, it's already decided as a must see for me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Highlander X]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 30 2004,07:11)]
Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ Mar. 30 2004,03:19)]yep, the English look pretty cool. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
Remember the Saxons that you see in the picture aren't English, they are Germanic invaders. The real English at the time are represented by the Romano-Celtic populations, which includes the guy on the armoured horse, King Arthur himself...
HAHA you couldn't be more talking out of your ass.

The English are the Germanic Invaders.. whatever gave you the idea the English are Brythonic Celts?

In this case an Englishmen is an Angle/Saxon/Jute/Dane

i seriously suggest you do some reading.

here's a bbc link to get you started.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

'The research supports the idea that Celtic Britain underwent a form of ethnic cleansing by Anglo-Saxons invaders following the Roman withdrawal in the fifth century.'

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ Mar. 30 2004,18:13)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 30 2004,07:11)]
Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ Mar. 30 2004,03:19)]yep, the English look pretty cool. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
Remember the Saxons that you see in the picture aren't English, they are Germanic invaders. The real English at the time are represented by the Romano-Celtic populations, which includes the guy on the armoured horse, King Arthur himself...
HAHA you couldn't be more talking out of your ass.
Was that really necessary? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes.gif


Quote[/b] ]The English are the Germanic Invaders.. whatever gave you the idea the English are Brythonic Celts?

In this case an Englishmen is an Angle/Saxon/Jute/Dane

i seriously suggest you do some reading.

here's a bbc link to get you started.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

'The research supports the idea that Celtic Britain underwent a form of ethnic cleansing by Anglo-Saxons invaders following the Roman withdrawal in the fifth century.'
What I've said, and you obvioulsy were too irritated to understood, was that in those days, the English were the Romano-Celtic populations, not their Germanic conquerors. Just like Americans in the 15th century were the indegenous populations, not the Spanish Conquistadores, or later the British settlers...

[Rosacrux]

Not bad Aymar... but we have to succumb to semantics here: there was no England at the time of the Britons, since the Angles came in later and gave their name to a part of the place. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Lazul]

well Stellan Skarsgård is in the movie So it cant suck... well you know, his a Swede http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Rosacrux @ Mar. 31 2004,05:55)]Not bad Aymar... but we have to succumb to semantics here: there was no England at the time of the Britons, since the Angles came in later and gave their name to a part of the place. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Of course semantics makes interpretation of history prone to confusion and misunderstanding, but the Kingdom of England was only formed after Hastings in 1066 (by a Franco-Norman hehehe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-grin2.gif ). Before that it was a mix on Anglos, Saxons and Jutes, with some Viking (Danes mostly) pillaging and setling from time to time. No England or English whatsoever... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif

[VikingHorde]

Quote[/b] (Lazul @ Mar. 31 2004,07:14)]well Stellan Skarsgård is in the movie So it cant suck... well you know, his a Swede http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
What movies have he played in? can't remember his name from any.

[Lazul]

hmmm.... alot of movies hehe...

Good Will Hunting
Amistad
Breaking the waves
... and a shitload of other movies... mostly swedish tho.
And now he is playing Merlin

and a friend with Peter Stormare http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Lazul]

hmmm.... alot of movies hehe...

Good Will Hunting
Amistad
Breaking the waves
... and a shitload of other movies... mostly swedish tho.
And now he is playing Merlin

and a friend with Peter Stormare http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Lazul @ Mar. 31 2004,07:14)]well Stellan Skarsgård is in the movie So it cant suck... well you know, his a Swede http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Kiera Knightly's in it, so it will suck.... if, you know what I mean http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-devil.gif.....

[Cebei]

Quote[/b] ]Kiera Knightly's in it, so it will suck.... if, you know what I mean .....

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Teutonic, I see some things really changed after your trip to the beach.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes2.gif

[VikingHorde]

OK, i think i know who he is. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 31 2004,15:41)]
Quote[/b] ]Kiera Knightly's in it, so it will suck.... if, you know what I mean .....

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Teutonic, I see some things really changed after your trip to the beach.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes2.gif
well...... no, that hasn't changed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


or has it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink3.gif

[Cebei]

Quote[/b] ]well...... no, that hasn't changed


or has it?

Well its the first time I see you making "such" jokes.. Thats great by the way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 31 2004,15:54)]
Quote[/b] ]well...... no, that hasn't changed


or has it?

Well its the first time I see you making "such" jokes.. Thats great by the way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
no, I didn't "do" anything, I know that's what you're thinking http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I just think Kiera Knightly is sooo hot..... As you'll see if you dig up the old "Maxim's 100 sexiest women" thread...


EDIT: (if this is too off-topic Cebei and I will take this elsewhere, we wouldn't want to impose on the flow of this thread)

[Cebei]

OK back to the topic.. In Mists of Avalon, Arthurian armies were depicted with only very light armor; Arthur himself too. Comparing with the usual massively armored Arhurs, that one seemed very realistic to me. Anyway, but I think Aymar is right, he should have a Roman-type armor.. *Futile attempt to get back to topic*

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 31 2004,16:14)]OK back to the topic.. In Mists of Avalon, Arthurian armies were depicted with only very light armor; Arthur himself too. Comparing with the usual massively armored Arhurs, that one seemed very realistic to me. Anyway, but I think Aymar is right, he should have a Roman-type armor.. *Futile attempt to get back to topic*
I admire your futile attempts....
So the leaders of this Britain would still have used Late Roman armour etc.? Is that even accurate as armour for a Legtus that late in the empire?

(OT, what do you think about her{we discuss OT things in parentheses, that makes it acceptable in my flawed way of thinking of things} )

[Cebei]

http://www.moviecitynews.com/arrays/images/2003/king_arthur/gwen_bow_2.jpg

http://www.moviecitynews.com/arrays/images/2003/king_arthur/gwen_scream_3.jpg

http://www.moviecitynews.com/arrays/images/2003/king_arthur/gwen_bow2_5.jpg

Kiera.. firing arrows

- long range
- fast
- excellent morale
- good attack
- beautiful when angry

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Teutonic Knight @ Mar. 31 2004,15:17)]So the leaders of this Britain would still have used Late Roman armour etc.?
Yes, the Germanic Invasions started some decades before the fall of the Western Roman Empire in 478AD. You forgot the introductory text of VI? It goes something like this:

The Roman Empire didn't fall in Britain; it packed up and went home leaving the locals to sort out their own problems. In 410AD the Emperor Honorius sent the Romano-British a polite letter telling them to "look to their own defences"



Quote[/b] ]Is that even accurate as armour for a Legtus that late in the empire?
To that I can't give you an answer... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 31 2004,15:28)]- long range
- fast
- excellent morale
- good attack
- beautiful when angry
"beautiful when angry" LOL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif And when not... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 31 2004,16:37)]
Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 31 2004,15:28)]- long range
- fast
- excellent morale
- good attack
- beautiful when angry
"beautiful when angry" LOL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif And when not... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif
I hope "great stamina" is also included http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink3.gif

ba ba ching http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Cebei]

Quote[/b] ](OT, what do you think about her{we discuss OT things in parentheses, that makes it acceptable in my flawed way of thinking of things} )

{Well she is nice, but I cant be a devotee of her cause

1- She is so young for my ancient tastes (born 1985), I can only hope the best for her (whatever that means)

2- Her "colors" are very common here, I see girls like her most of the day; I would believe if one said she is Turkish. I go for more colorful girls, at least colorful eyes; significantly green,blue etc.


Also how can you know about her stamina? Being beautiful, hardly means "that".... }

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Teutonic Knight]

{"Also how can you know about her stamina? Being beautiful, hardly means "that".... }"



note the word hope there m8 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

she just turned 19 last Friday (no I'm not like that, there was an article on her in the paper last Friday...)

You lucky Turkish dog See, she has the color, the body, and that sexy British accent, mmmmm....

EDIT: almost forgot the parentheses that make this moral} http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[Cebei]

{
Quote[/b] ]note the word hope there m8

whoops


Quote[/b] ]You lucky Turkish dog See, she has the color, the body, and that sexy British accent, mmmmm....

Well, I've given up all hope on Turkish girls a loooong time ago, they suck In bad way.. Perhaps thats why I didnt like her... Anything NEAR Turkish girls repells me.. }

[Teutonic Knight]

{
Quote[/b] ]Well, I've given up all hope on Turkish girls a loooong time ago, they suck In bad way.. Perhaps thats why I didnt like her... Anything NEAR Turkish girls repells me.. }


why?}

[Cebei]

{
Quote[/b] ]why?

Because they suck. lol. They think they are some very holy beings, men being their servants forever and they are always extremely difficult. When it was my first time in US, I was like "Whoaaaa Now "that" should be the way".. Its not sexual or anything, girls dont act like equals here. Probably they are getting the revenge of being repressed by Turkish customs throughout the history.. cant blame them, but the rule is "you can get far more beautiful girls anywhere in the world and you can be sure that, she will try as hard to get you".

} (holy bracket, beholdd)

[Teutonic Knight]

{
Quote[/b] ]"you can get far more beautiful girls anywhere in the world and you can be sure that, she will try as hard to get you".

Are you saying they're hard to get and have high expectations of their men? }

[Cebei]

{
Quote[/b] ]Are you saying they're hard to get and have high expectations of their men?

Yeah, if you are Brad Pitt, then they MAY consider talking to you. If you are really funny, then they MAY consider talking more than 3 minutes etc.. Until we were 21, my "record" of 3 girlfriends was spoken with awe among fellow men. "BS Theres no way I can believe you got laid" Pathetic.. and these girls arent beautiful, smart, interesting at all.. I really think they are being programmed by their grandmothers and mothers.. Did you know I just LOVE Stockholm and Amsterdam.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif }

[Teutonic Knight]

(I hate to sound strange, but that's sounds like my type http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Unless you're talking about just snobbishly uptight, but a girl who doesn't throw herself in front of guys (the way American girls do) is just my type}

[Cebei]

{
Quote[/b] ]I hate to sound strange, but that's sounds like my type Unless you're talking about just snobbishly uptight, but a girl who doesn't throw herself in front of guys (the way American girls do) is just my type I see which type of girl you are into.. But these are not like that.. You want a Swedish girl. }

[Teutonic Knight]

{LOL, why's that? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif }

[Cebei]

{ Cus they do not throw themselves around, they are just right between too serious and too beeyatchy, they love right amount of attention, they are a--hole detectors and eliminate jerky behavior before you do (no more "what the -- is this girl doing with this guy" questions).. They are difficult targets to some extent.. but when you catch them.... it is the eternal pleasure, because there are rarely any girls better than those of Sweden. Amsterdam is nice too, but I've never seen girls as incredible as in Stockholm }

[Highlander X]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 31 2004,05:03)]
Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ Mar. 30 2004,18:13)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 30 2004,07:11)]
Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ Mar. 30 2004,03:19)]yep, the English look pretty cool. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
Remember the Saxons that you see in the picture aren't English, they are Germanic invaders. The real English at the time are represented by the Romano-Celtic populations, which includes the guy on the armoured horse, King Arthur himself...
HAHA you couldn't be more talking out of your ass.
Was that really necessary? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes.gif


Quote[/b] ]The English are the Germanic Invaders.. whatever gave you the idea the English are Brythonic Celts?

In this case an Englishmen is an Angle/Saxon/Jute/Dane

i seriously suggest you do some reading.

here's a bbc link to get you started.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

'The research supports the idea that Celtic Britain underwent a form of ethnic cleansing by Anglo-Saxons invaders following the Roman withdrawal in the fifth century.'
What I've said, and you obvioulsy were too irritated to understood, was that in those days, the English were the Romano-Celtic populations, not their Germanic conquerors. Just like Americans in the 15th century were the indegenous populations, not the Spanish Conquistadores, or later the British settlers...
Amusing you still you don't seem to grasp that the Saxons are the modern English, and the Britons are the modern Welsh/Cornish/Bretons.

I still highy suggest some reading of the era to you.

[Highlander X]

Quote[/b] (Teutonic Knight @ Mar. 31 2004,15:17)]
Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 31 2004,16:14)]OK back to the topic.. In Mists of Avalon, Arthurian armies were depicted with only very light armor; Arthur himself too. Comparing with the usual massively armored Arhurs, that one seemed very realistic to me. Anyway, but I think Aymar is right, he should have a Roman-type armor.. *Futile attempt to get back to topic*
I admire your futile attempts....
So the leaders of this Britain would still have used Late Roman armour etc.? Is that even accurate as armour for a Legtus that late in the empire?

(OT, what do you think about her{we discuss OT things in parentheses, that makes it acceptable in my flawed way of thinking of things} )
That's the thing, no one really knows.. it's all speculation and highly debatable.


http://www.murphsplace.com/owen/arthur/images2/osprey.jpg


I think the view the movie uses is that Arthur is the leader of the reminants of the Sarmatian Cavalry Units left in Briton from the Romans.
The reason they have him in the classic Roman Consul outsift is because it's easier for us to visualize i guess.

http://www.medievalrepro.com/Images/arthur3.gif

http://www.medieval-weaponry.com/media/AH6715.jpg

But the concenses is that he would have worn some sort of contemporary cavarly uniform/armour as opposed to a Roman Consul.

[Lazul]

hmmm so Kiera is born 85... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif ... sweeeeet, Im born 83. Well guys, wish me luck, Im going after her http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Beirut]

Hmmm, well they say Alexander liked young Hopelites, maybe the cast looks that way because they're all gay too.

What's next? Denis Leary playing Hannibal?

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Lazul @ April 01 2004,06:40)]{hmmm so Kiera is born 85... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif ... sweeeeet, Im born 83. Well guys, wish me luck, Im going after her http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif }
{remember your Off-topic Brackets young man }

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ Mar. 31 2004,21:13)]
Quote[/b] (Teutonic Knight @ Mar. 31 2004,15:17)]
Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 31 2004,16:14)]OK back to the topic.. In Mists of Avalon, Arthurian armies were depicted with only very light armor; Arthur himself too. Comparing with the usual massively armored Arhurs, that one seemed very realistic to me. Anyway, but I think Aymar is right, he should have a Roman-type armor.. *Futile attempt to get back to topic*
I admire your futile attempts....
So the leaders of this Britain would still have used Late Roman armour etc.? Is that even accurate as armour for a Legtus that late in the empire?

(OT, what do you think about her{we discuss OT things in parentheses, that makes it acceptable in my flawed way of thinking of things} )
That's the thing, no one really knows.. it's all speculation and highly debatable.


http://www.murphsplace.com/owen/arthur/images2/osprey.jpg


I think the view the movie uses is that Arthur is the leader of the reminants of the Sarmatian Cavalry Units left in Briton from the Romans.
The reason they have him in the classic Roman Consul outsift is because it's easier for us to visualize i guess.

http://www.medievalrepro.com/Images/arthur3.gif

http://www.medieval-weaponry.com/media/AH6715.jpg

But the concenses is that he would have worn some sort of contemporary cavarly uniform/armour as opposed to a Roman Consul.
that's what I thought, it didn't seem to make sense that he would really be dressed and armoured as a Roman Legatus that late in the empire, and in that distant of a possesion of the empire.

Would Arthur have actually been an officer of the Empire, or just a tribal leader acting on his own and fighting in the Roman style?




{
Quote[/b] ]{ Cus they do not throw themselves around, they are just right between too serious and too beeyatchy, they love right amount of attention, they are a--hole detectors and eliminate jerky behavior before you do (no more "what the -- is this girl doing with this guy" questions).. They are difficult targets to some extent.. but when you catch them.... it is the eternal pleasure, because there are rarely any girls better than those of Sweden. Amsterdam is nice too, but I've never seen girls as incredible as in Stockholm }

Where can I get one of these gems? There are still allot of nice American girls like that worth going after. Have you found anybody worth going the distance with Ceib? }

[Cebei]

{


Quote[/b] ]Quote
{ Cus they do not throw themselves around, they are just right between too serious and too beeyatchy, they love right amount of attention, they are a--hole detectors and eliminate jerky behavior before you do (no more "what the -- is this girl doing with this guy" questions).. They are difficult targets to some extent.. but when you catch them.... it is the eternal pleasure, because there are rarely any girls better than those of Sweden. Amsterdam is nice too, but I've never seen girls as incredible as in Stockholm }


Where can I get one of these gems? There are still allot of nice American girls like that worth going after. Have you found anybody worth going the distance with Ceib?

You can find them in Sweden of course. I've only seen Stockholm, people are really depressed (Stockholm syndrome I guess?) and its always very cold there. But the girls there really create a big dilemma. It is also one of the most civilized places in the world with high living standards. My cousin went to Stockholm reently and took INCREDIBLE photos from a Swedish club. I will post them sometime in the Soly's women thread.

As for myself, I went there for *ahem* 4 days for academic purposes and I could only watch passing girls in awe, but I am really considering settling to any of those Nordic countries, though on the other hand I want 365 days of perpatual sunshine, I dont know how that can work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

}

[Teutonic Knight]

{
Quote[/b] ]though on the other hand I want 365 days of perpatual sunshine, I dont know how that can work


My home state sounds perfect for you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif }

[Cebei]

{


Quote[/b] ]My home state sounds perfect for you

SF? Well, where are the Swedish girls? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

}

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ April 01 2004,10:32)]{


Quote[/b] ]My home state sounds perfect for you

SF? Well, where are the Swedish girls? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

}
{Florida has some very nice ladies, who sound like just what you're looking for, plus we have sunshine 365 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif }

[Cebei]

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Quote[/b] ]Florida has some very nice ladies, who sound like just what you're looking for, plus we have sunshine 365

Well OK then. Only handicap seems the current admin. I'll be there asap when a sane and competent Democrat admin wins. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif and of course I'll have to find a think-tank to work there.

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[Teutonic Knight]

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Quote[/b] ]sane and competent Democrat admin

that's a contradiction and an oxymoron http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif }

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ Mar. 31 2004,19:41)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 31 2004,05:03)]
What I've said, and you obvioulsy were too irritated to understood, was that in those days, the English were the Romano-Celtic populations, not their Germanic conquerors. Just like Americans in the 15th century were the indegenous populations, not the Spanish Conquistadores, or later the British settlers...
Amusing you still you don't seem to grasp that the Saxons are the modern English, and the Britons are the modern Welsh/Cornish/Bretons.
Amusing that you didn't grasp anything of what I've said. Is it stuborness or simple stupidity? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes.gif

I said that, in those days, the "English" were the Romano-Celtic populations. They were the population that occupied present day England and the Anglos, Saxons and Jutes were just Germanic invaders. I was speaking situationally, not ethnically.

As for the ethnic origins of English, don't tell me that Englishmen don't possess Viking blood or even Welsh or Cornish.

As for the Kingdom of England, you might say that in reality the Kingdom of England was "created" by Alfred the Great (871-899), but his kingdom was just the Kingdom of Wessex. You might alternativelly, say that the Kingdom of England was "created" by Athelstane or even Edgar I (959-975), but it was just the Kingdom of Wessex, later conquered by Cnut the Great (Danish King: 1016-1035).

The biggest claim to an early Kingdom of England, is probably the work of Edward the Confessor (1042-1066). However, the Kingdom of England per se, didn't really existed until 1066, when William of Normandy defeated Harold at Hastings.


Quote[/b] ]I still highy suggest some reading of the era to you.
I suggest you should read more, to train your brain, because you seem unable to understand simple concepts, let alone complex ones.

[Cebei]

Quote[/b] ]What I've said, and you obvioulsy were too irritated to understood, was that in those days, the English were the Romano-Celtic populations, not their Germanic conquerors. Just like Americans in the 15th century were the indegenous populations, not the Spanish Conquistadores, or later the British settlers...

Amusing you still you don't seem to grasp that the Saxons are the modern English, and the Britons are the modern Welsh/Cornish/Bretons.

HighlanderX this is a friendly forum, based on mutual respect and understanding. And besides you are talking to one of our friendliest and most respected members. Its the first time anybody saying such things to Aymar. This kind of rude attitutde 1-is not worthy of Aymar, 2-only makes you seem like the wrong party in this discussion.

[Highlander X]

No, no it's not like i was calling Aymar stupid or anything. Just pointing out the fact that the majority of 'ethnic' Englishmen decend from the 'AngloSaxons'.
These are the same people that King Arthur fought against, that's all.
I've no use playing silly word games confusing the words 'Briton' with 'Englishman', just what Aymar said was amusing especialy when concerned about King Arthur The whole story is about the Britons against the AngloSaxons.
I thought everyone knew that.

[Rosacrux]

Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ April 02 2004,05:37)]No, no it's not like i was calling Aymar stupid or anything. Just pointing out the fact that the majority of 'ethnic' Englishmen decend from the 'AngloSaxons'.
These are the same people that King Arthur fought against, that's all.
I've no use playing silly word games confusing the words 'Briton' with 'Englishman', just what Aymar said was amusing especialy when concerned about King Arthur The whole story is about the Britons against the AngloSaxons.
I thought everyone knew that.
There are though more polite ways to say that, not true old chum?

[Cebei]

Quote[/b] ]No, no it's not like i was calling Aymar stupid or anything. Just pointing out the fact that the majority of 'ethnic' Englishmen decend from the 'AngloSaxons'.
These are the same people that King Arthur fought against, that's all.
I've no use playing silly word games confusing the words 'Briton' with 'Englishman', just what Aymar said was amusing especialy when concerned about King Arthur The whole story is about the Britons against the AngloSaxons.
I thought everyone knew that.

People do and will confuse things, we are not Norman Davies or Henry Pirenne. Use sources to show your points.

I've come across lots of people who cant distinguish terms Seljuk, Ottoman and Turkic or Turkish. I dont remember calling any of those "HAHA you couldn't be more talking out of your ass".

Be friendly, use sources and keep it clean. We are not against the content of what you are saying.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Thanks a bunch, Cebei

Reading your post it almost feels like I was wrong... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif

[Cebei]

No youre not wrong of course..

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ April 03 2004,09:23)]No youre not wrong of course..
OK. Now that we've sorted that out, let's get back on topic...

What does everyone think will be the best "Historical" movie to be released this year?

-Troy

-The King Arthur movie (don't know the name http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif )

-Alexander by Ridley Scott

-Alexander with Leonardo di Caprio ( http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_scared.gif )

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] ]-Alexander by Ridley Scott

-Alexander with Leonardo di Caprio ( )

does the one by Ridley Scott have Colin Farrel in it?

I hadn't heard of one with Leonardo de Whimpio in it...

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Teutonic Knight @ April 03 2004,11:25)]
Quote[/b] ]-Alexander by Ridley Scott

-Alexander with Leonardo di Caprio ( )

does the one by Ridley Scott have Colin Farrel in it?

I hadn't heard of one with Leonardo de Whimpio in it...
OK. Let me explain better:

-Troy with Brad Pitt

-The King Arthur movie (don't know the name... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif )

-Alexander with Colin Farrel, by Ridley Scott

-Alexander with Leonardo di Caprio ( http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_scared.gif )

[The Wizard]

I'd say Troy, being a myth. Giving Hollywood something it can actually get away with taking large 'liberties' always seems to work out.



~Wiz

[Cebei]

Quote[/b] ]OK. Let me explain better:

-Troy with Brad Pitt

-The King Arthur movie (don't know the name... )

-Alexander with Colin Farrel, by Ridley Scott

-Alexander with Leonardo di Caprio ( ) Nawhh... this is better... Troy with Adam Sandler, King Arthur with Freddie Prinze Jr., and Alexander with Aryeh Nusbacher

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ April 03 2004,18:20)]
Quote[/b] ]OK. Let me explain better:

-Troy with Brad Pitt

-The King Arthur movie (don't know the name... )

-Alexander with Colin Farrel, by Ridley Scott

-Alexander with Leonardo di Caprio ( ) Nawhh... this is better... Troy with Adam Sandler, King Arthur with Freddie Prinze Jr., and Alexander with Aryeh Nusbacher
ROFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh4.gif

I suppose he'll capture the "magic hill" over Troy?

[Cebei]

No he will "shake" the Macedonian army and throw it into the LCD battle display screen, and perhaps he will play snooker with the Persian battle formation columns.

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ April 03 2004,18:41)]No he will "shake" the Macedonian army and throw it into the LCD battle display screen, and perhaps he will play snooker with the Persian battle formation columns.
I just hope he doesn't have to deal with that incessantly annoying "defeat imminent" thing....

[Cebei]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (Cebei @ April 03 2004,18:20)
Quote
OK. Let me explain better:

-Troy with Brad Pitt

-The King Arthur movie (don't know the name... )

-Alexander with Colin Farrel, by Ridley Scott

-Alexander with Leonardo di Caprio ( )
Nawhh... this is better... Troy with Adam Sandler, King Arthur with Freddie Prinze Jr., and Alexander with Aryeh Nusbacher

ROFL

I suppose he'll capture the "magic hill" over Troy?

I dont know, if I've been a Persian commander I would charge everybody into his bodyguard column.. And I would capture him alive.. Then I would give him another army and place his defensive position into a deep valley, surrounded with magic hills and then beat him again.. I would repeat as necessary until he begs for mercy. Then I would take him to a white board and make him write 10000 times "I got my doctorate from a grocery store" "I got my doctorate from a grocery store"...

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ April 03 2004,11:29)]I'd say Troy, being a myth. Giving Hollywood something it can actually get away with taking large 'liberties' always seems to work out.



~Wiz
The more fantasy, the best they can escape blundering flaws. However, that only works when the documented fantasy is blurry. If it has descriptions like Tolkien's work, it won't fair so well...

[Suppiluliumas]

"Hey, at least they didn't put stirrups on the saddles, one of my pet anachronisms. I did kinda dig the fire extinguisher next to the Assryian wall though."



The Ishtar Gate Assyrian? Somewhere Hammurabi is spinning in his grave.