Double Emergence in same province!

[Red Harvest]

Just had a Late game where both the Swiss and Burgundians emerged on the same turn in a neighboring rebel province (Burgundy of course). It was a re-emergence for the Swiss, and there was a multi stack rebel army there with a several strong generals that I had been sidestepping. The Swiss cleaned both their clocks (pun intended.)

I might have seen a double before in a province (can't recall specifically) but never both minor factions at the same time.

[Magraev]

A bit sad for the poor burgundians.

[lancer63]

I have never seen the burgundians in my map. Is that a moded game?

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (lancer63 @ Nov. 19 2003,17:12)]I have never seen the burgundians in my map. Is that a moded game?
The Burgundians appear fairly late in the game (sometime in the 1300's) but that only happens if the province has a rebellion in it (same as the Swiss).

I have not seen them myself but I understand they do come out and play.

[A.Saturnus]

The Burgundians are pretty aggressive. Had them take over most of France once. The also come often with high-level stuff, Chiv Knights and such. Even the Swiss may have trouble if the do not have enough pikemen.

[The Wizard]

You should've invaded A four-way free for all Damn, I wish I'd been there

[o_loompah_the_delayer]

I have fought in two three-way battles, the first one the two AI factions ganged up on me. The second I charged some hobilars into one faction pulled them of and charged them into the other faction, pulled them of and back into the first, ending up with a hobilar sandwich and the two factions fighting it out, and me watching. Four way sounds even better

[Aelwyn]

Whats even worse is a double emergence in your own territory. I had two factions re-emerge in the same year in a couple of rebelling provinces. That was a pain.

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Aelwyn @ Nov. 19 2003,21:57)]Whats even worse is a double emergence in your own territory. I had two factions re-emerge in the same year in a couple of rebelling provinces. That was a pain.
One civil war and you can get factions popping up all over the shop

Arrggh

[TheSilverKnight]

It would be great if:
in an emerging faction, you could switch your side to join that new faction. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif that would be cool.

But once, in late, I had the Swiss appear in Switzerland as well as the Germans, around 1295, I believe. As the Italians, I had a nice crusading empire. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Modus]

I once goaded to enemies into destroying each-other in a 3 way battle. I had the Egyptians slam into the Byzantines, then I reformed and watched from a nearby hillside before squashing the hell out of the Byzantines troops while watching the clock (I was on the defensive).

Was beautiful

[Red Harvest]

I've fought a number of three way battles. I didn't wade into this particular one since I couldn't spare enough troops (would have needed at least a stack and a half of excellent troops.

Three ways where everyone is at war are fine, but when you are facing two allied armies it is real trouble. You get 16 units on the field and the allies will get up to 32. Unless it is a bridge crossing or some other terrain with natural choke points, it can be very difficult to win (on expert anyway.)

[HawaiianHobbit]

I've never fought off a reappering faction, sadly I keep the loyalty to high. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[RisingSun]

Re-emerging factions could really care less what your loyalty level is... Learned that the hard way...

[Red Harvest]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ Nov. 29 2003,21:08)]Re-emerging factions could really care less what your loyalty level is... Learned that the hard way...
Partially true. If you keep loyalty high you can nearly always prevent them from re-emerging in your territory. However, if you are conquering rebel territory, beware Until you have wiped out the last of the rebels in the territory they seem to be able to appear.

There is a bug in the game that displays incorrect loyalty from a save. Typically, the actual loyalty is 10-25% less than is displayed on the first round of saved reload. When I save I make mental note of the lowest loyalty province, then check it when I reload to determine the bias. I keep all provinces at or above 100 + bias for that turn. Works like a charm.

This latest patch seems to have added a bunch of new ways for rebellions and civil wars to happen--or at least made them more likely for the player on "expert". Rebellions appear to happen after some battles where an army is greatly reduced in a battle that turn and loyalty was not pegged--probably recalculating loyalty at the beginning of the turn. I've had to adjust my tactics accordingly.

I've also found civil wars happen more easily than before. I used to be able to sneak by with some high ranking 3 loyalty generals/heirs while a new king was gaining influence by conquest. Now I find that I have to disband units more frequently when this sort of situation arises.