Prince's

[Zone]

http://civ3.1bigcommunity.com/communities/civ3/mtw%2015%20yr%20prince.jpg
Does it always do this? i.e. does the prince always become a unit at 15? I thought it was 16 for princes and 15 for princesses. I think it may show up like that there but when I actually have the chance to move him he'll be 16... Not sure, is it 14 for princesses. I'll keep an eye out for the next ones.

[Snowhobbit]

Have you been playing with the picture?
Because all of my hundreds of princes have all "matured" at age 16, and it's 15 for the princesses

[Zone]

nope, that's just a cropped version of the screen shot; no trickery involved.

[Dhepee]

He appears at 15, but he gets his first move at 16. The games is coded so that the turn in which a generated unit (as a opposed to a unit that you build which can move as soon as it shows up) appears on the map it cannot move. The game's generation of the unit and its appearance on the campaign map counts as a move. Make sense? At least that's been my experience.

I think it happens so that when the game gives you a stack in a recently conquered and highly loyal province you can't just take the free soldiers and abandon the province, which would defeat the purpose of the stack showing up to revolt and save the province, since you can't move it and the AI has to immediately respond by fighting it or retreating.

Along the same lines, you can't drop an agent on a stack on a in the turn that it is generated, at least not to make peace. As soon as a faction has reemerged I'll try to drop a Cardinal on the stack with the king, and it won't let me do it. I'm not sure about assinating someone on the turn that they arrive, I'll have to try it sometime.

[CeeBod]

I've always found that if I'm moving my king around, the prince appears at age 16 in the province that the king occupied whilst the prince was 15 - so I guess the prince is generated at age 15, but not movable till he's 16 - as Dhepee said.

One by-product of that is that it can be worth relocating your king to the province with the best weapon & armour bonus on the turn your next prince is 14, then move the King back to wherever's best for loyalty the next turn, and at turn end, your Prince will appear in the province your King left - with the armour & weapon bonuses. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I hope that made sense to someone, cos my monday-frazzled brain is having difficulty putting that into more readable wordage http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Zone]

http://civ3.1bigcommunity.com/communities/civ3/mtwstuff.jpg
OK folks - forst the bottom picture. this shows me with the prince selected (and movable) and he's only 15, and I promise that the unit selected is a prince...

Secondly: How often has anyone seen the AI bribe the AI? This is the first time I've seen it. Admittedly you'd have to have spies etc. around to see it happening when away from your borders but still, I'm surprised I've never seen it before now.

[Magraev]

I've seen the ai bribe rebels quite often, And I've had my own garrisons bribed on a couple of occasions too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

I think that the prince at 15 is a unique case. Normally I believe the prince wil be available at 16, and will be greyed out on the list until then.

[o_loompah_the_delayer]

I have seen the AI bribe AI several times. IIRC they were at war and one faction (the ones that got bribed) collapsed into civil war.

As for the Prince, they always seem to appear in the province where the King was when they were 15, and get all the bonusses of that province. I often use this in the Early game where I use the King as a general and use him to attack a province. The Prince matures and should the AI attack the army to defend will be lead by hopefully a 3* or better Prince than no starred general at all.

I have never seen the Prince bolded at age 15 though in the heirs list, and unlike Princesses who appear before they become bold I havent seen that happen with princes.