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Hajduk
11-22-2003, 23:05
This post is a follow-up to the thread obsolete units in the Monastery section.

There may be practical reasons to study ancient/medieval weapons & tactics. Col. Rex Applegate once compared advanced riot control formations & tactics to medieval warfare (Riot Control, Paladin Press).

Wearing helmets and using shields, police/MPs, like ancient Hoplites, will form phalanxes against mobs. Of course, the goal of riot control is to neutralize and disperse mobs without the use of lethal force (preferably using no violence at all).

Political radicals & street fighters have also adapted old tactics & equipment to counter riot control measures. There is a manual (written by a self-described anarchist) which provides instructions on counter riot-control formations. The book also provides informaton on fabricating protective gear, including shields.

On the obsolete units thread, there was a discussion of English maintaining obsolete weapons long after firearms became widely accepted in European militaries.

The pike reappeared during World War 2. Facing a shortage of weapons, the newly-organized Home Guard was issued shotguns, US Springfields, and even pikes. The pikes were improvised by welding an issue bayonet to a long pipe I remember seeing a photo of the arsenal of one Home Guard unit. There was a short pike or halbred, but it looked like an original not an improvisation. I can't imagine how the Home
Guard would have used pikes to repel a German invasion (maybe to impale parachutists? ouch&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Home Guard book review
http://www.sgaus.org/book_1.htm

During the American Civil War, Georgia provided a company of pikemen to the Confederacy. They were later issued firearms. It does not appear that they ever used pikes on the battlefield.

Joe Brown's Pikes
by LTC (Ret.) Joe Griffith
http://www.hsgng.org/pages/joebrownpike.htm

Gregoshi
11-22-2003, 23:13
Interesting subject Hajduk. I'd never really thought about ancient tactics in today's world. And to think some people wonder why history is so important.

The Wizard
11-22-2003, 23:33
Those are probably the people on the recieving end of one of those gummi-sticks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Si GeeNa
11-24-2003, 04:31
I'm from the Body Armour industry and it is surprising that the way they make slash and Stab proof armour is still very much a medieval manner of arranging the Metal plates, (small 2cm diameter circles) in a scalar manner. The innovation is only with new metals that are difficult, nearly impossbile to stab through and ultra-light.

I saw my colleague demonstrating the product once to a customer. He used a ice-pick to stab at the piece of armour plate. He used several levels of strenght and each time, the customer asked him to do that harder. Well, he ended up spiking his thumb as the pick went through the rear of the handle and pierced the thumb. Messy...

Hajduk
11-25-2003, 03:13
Quote[/b] (Si GeeNa @ Nov. 23 2003,21:31)]I'm from the Body Armour industry and it is surprising that the way they make slash and Stab proof armour is still very much a medieval manner of arranging the Metal plates

Hi Si GeeNa

Interesting about the body armor (pardon the American spelling courtesy of Noah Webster). Everything old is new again...

Divers who work among Sharks may wear chain mail to protect themselves against the hungry fish.

I wonder if there are other contemporary applications of medieval technology, tactics, or techniques. ?