Cavalry Archers

[ichi]

Cavalry Archers @ V0*

Name......................Cost....Speed**...Bonus***....Armor...Honor.....Ammo
Boyar.....................550.....9/20/22......4/3/5..............5...........6.............28..
Byz.Cav.................400.....9/20/22......2/3/3..............4...........4.............28
Camel.Warriors......300....9/14/16......2/0/0..............2...........0.............28.
Faris......................375....9/20/22.......4/3/1..............3...........4.............28
Golden.Horde.HA.....375...9/24/26......2/3/1..........3............4............28
Horse.Archers.......250....9/24/26.........2/-1/0.........2...........-1...........28
Jinetes...................250.....9/24/26......2/2/2..............3...........2..............4
Mamluk.H.A..........375....9/20/22......2/3/1..............3...........4.............28
Mounted.Xbows.....300.....9/24/26.....2/0/2..............3...........2.............28.
Pict.Mtd.Xbows.....300.....9/24/26.....2/0/2..............3............2............28..
Sipahi.of.the.Porte.500....9/20/22......4/3/6..............7............6............28
Steppe.Heavy.Cav..450....9/20/22......2/3/4..............5...........4.............28
Szekely..................375....9/24/26......4/3/1..............3...........4.............28
TurcomanHA.........300....9/24/26......2/1/0..............2..........-1............28
Turcopole..............300....9/24/26......2/-1/1.............3...........0.............28

Speed*.Walk/Run/Charge

Bonus**.Charge/Melee/Defence

All.MTW.VI.w/.patch..

ichiRW.11.25.3

[HopAlongBunny]

Thanks for putting all the info together http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[motorhead]

nice list, but where GH-HAs?

[Basileus]

Quote[/b] (ichi @ Nov. 28 2003,13:38)]What I found most interesting about the list:

Sipahi of the Porte have better stats than Boyars, for less
$$,




ichi
indeed but boyars are 40 and sipahis of the porte are only 20 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif so you get more with boyars..

[ichi]

Good point. To put it into perspective, compare SoPs to High Era Royals, another 20 man unit. Less charge, but very similar otherwise. For twenty-five samolians you get to shoot 28 arrows.

Sipahi.of.the.Porte.500....9/20/22......4/3/6..............7............6............28
High.Royal.Knights.525....9/20/22......8/5/5..............7.............8.............0

ichi

[motorhead]

Are you sure about those HA stats? Either my unit_prod file is wrong or they should be as listed: CHARGE_BONUS( 2 ), MELEE_BONUS( -1 ), DEFENCE_BONUS( 0 ), ARMOUR_LEVEL( 2 ), HONOUR_LEVEL( -1 )

edit: also, your stats don't include shield bonus for defense and armor ratings

[ichi]

Thanks Motorhead, I must have gotten Horse Archers and Golden Horde Horse Archers mixed up.

I have fixed the table. Feel free to add anything else like shield bonus.

ichi

[HawaiianHobbit]

Nice list ichi. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

[Kraxis]

ichi... Sipahi of the Porte are Late... So they wouldn't really face High Royal Knights.

And btw, I find 20 archers to be of close to no use in ranged combat. Thus I find the Sipahis quite lousy really.

[ichi]

Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Dec. 06 2003,07:05)]ichi... Sipahi of the Porte are Late... So they wouldn't really face High Royal Knights.

And btw, I find 20 archers to be of close to no use in ranged combat. Thus I find the Sipahis quite lousy really.
Maybe not in MP, but I frequently find myself fighting High, even Early model units late in the game.

I try not to use my 20 SoPs in a range war with a 40 or 60 man unit. The SoPs are too expensive to trade for archers, and outnumbered (and being cav) they do not do well in such a fight.

I fight battles where all of the missile units are out of ammo, routed, or killed. In this situation (where my enemy is out of ranged units) this unit can reduce a Royal Knight unit by half, before engaging in melee.

When SoPs are my General unit, instead of merely observing the battle from behind a row or spears, I use them to pepper a high quality enemy unit, incraeasing their morale penalty.

By the time SoPs are available my infrastructure is usually quite good, and they come out with lots of valor/morale/armor/etc. They are no match for a high quality Chiv Knight unit, but still fun.

For me, the 'flavor' of the Turks comes in their mixed units, and Sipahis of the Porte represent the pros and cons of units that carry both swords and bows.

ichi