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Not sure what the problem is ... they never want a ceasefire, but they haven't attacked me nor I attacked them for 10+ years ... just stagnant ... and they are still on my "war" list.
Is there a certain time period or a certain event that must happen before they are nuetral again?
That reminds me, sometimes they accept the ceasefire then next turn, I look at my faction list and they are still at war with me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
desdichado
12-01-2003, 02:14
noramis,
If you don't share any land borders with faction you're at war with then the war can just peter out and you go back to neutral status. If you do share land borders then you need to negotiate a ceasfire. Try a high level emissary or bishop or offer them a princess. Apart from that there are just times when nothing ou can do will make them accept a ceasfire and you have to live with it.
As far as accepting a ceasfire and then still be at war the next turn, did you have a land or naval battle with them in the same year. It seems like the ceasfire is negotiated before any battles are resolved so you make peace and then start a war in the same year.
Hope that helps.
Teutonic Knight
12-01-2003, 02:39
Quote[/b] (desdichado @ Nov. 30 2003,20:14)]noramis,
If you don't share any land borders with faction you're at war with then the war can just peter out and you go back to neutral status. If you do share land borders then you need to negotiate a ceasfire. Try a high level emissary or bishop or offer them a princess. Apart from that there are just times when nothing ou can do will make them accept a ceasfire and you have to live with it.
As far as accepting a ceasfire and then still be at war the next turn, did you have a land or naval battle with them in the same year. It seems like the ceasfire is negotiated before any battles are resolved so you make peace and then start a war in the same year.
Hope that helps.
Well I didn't know that You learn something everyday I suppose...
dwarven_eagle
12-01-2003, 07:55
S oyour saying if your at war only on water and not by land you can't ceasefire
or did i miss understand
The_Emperor
12-01-2003, 10:21
Ok it breaks down like this, if I was at War with the Italians as the HRE and I drive them off the mainland... Providing I have no ships in the Ocean near Sardinia we will become neutral when my conquest of the mainland is complete.
Basically when you cannot see your enemy anymore you abandon the war through lack of interest.
The same is true if a French Crusade took Antioch and then gets sacked later by the Turks, providing the Turks cannot see any French Ships, Territory or Armies they will become neutral when the Isolated Crusader Territory gets sacked.
If you can see an enemy Ship, Agent or Province on the map when the dust settles you will still be at war and will have to call a ceasefire.
el_slapper
12-01-2003, 11:38
Side note : this "white peace" due to lack of contact is very useful to achieve with rebels(whole rebel lands). Because once you went to peace with them, you can trade again with them.
Doug-Thompson
12-01-2003, 17:08
One small note: I don't think I've ever successfully concluded a ceasefire with a faction that has an active Crusade against me, whether we are in contact or not. I presume the situation is the same if the faction has declared a Jihad against you.
Ironside
12-01-2003, 18:50
Citera[/b] (Doug-Thompson @ Dec. 01 2003,10:08)]One small note: I don't think I've ever successfully concluded a ceasefire with a faction that has an active Crusade against me, whether we are in contact or not. I presume the situation is the same if the faction has declared a Jihad against you.
Well they have made peace with me and even alliances sometimes.
It goes something like this: In the name of God we shall deafeat you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif . Wait you're bigger than me, what about a peace treaty http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif? Forget about that crusade we didn't mean anything by that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif.
The_Emperor
12-01-2003, 18:55
Quote[/b] (Doug-Thompson @ Dec. 01 2003,16:08)]One small note: I don't think I've ever successfully concluded a ceasefire with a faction that has an active Crusade against me, whether we are in contact or not. I presume the situation is the same if the faction has declared a Jihad against you.
What I was referring to is that the Crusade was successful and captured the land and was THEN wiped out...
My Understanding is that, If the Crusade didn't capture any territory and simply withered away over the years then the declaration of war will remain.
When a crusade is successful it becomes an isolated part of your kingdom and subject to the situation I explained. (presumably you only go to war with them for those territories nearest to you)
Adam the Great
12-02-2003, 20:09
What determines the chance of your treaty/ceasefire being accepted? Does a high valor emissary have a better chance that a low valor one? Influence is supposed to help, but even when I've maxed my kings influence I get turned down often.
The_Emperor
12-02-2003, 21:44
Quote[/b] (Adam the Great @ Dec. 02 2003,19:09)]What determines the chance of your treaty/ceasefire being accepted? Does a high valor emissary have a better chance that a low valor one? Influence is supposed to help, but even when I've maxed my kings influence I get turned down often.
Often its just luck, but I do know that if the AI thinks your doing too well chances are it will not accept a ceasefire.
Higher Valor Emissaries are said to have a better chance than a normal one, but I have not seen enough to convince me its true.
If your empire is too large the AI factions do get jealous of your power and remain at war with you as a matter of principal no matter how much influence you have.
From my experience the acceptance of treaties is no better than chance, but the more powerful you are the more people will want to be your enemy... Still all that means is more enemies to the slaughter http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] ]If your empire is too large the AI factions do get jealous of your power and remain at war with you
How true is this
The year: 1155.
I am the Italians playing Wesmod 3.13 ...
Currently at war with 6 factions (yes, 6)
Poland, Egypt, Germany, Swiss, Danes, English.
I occupy all of Spain except Portugal, N. Africa (to Egypt) Most of Southern France, All of Italy except Rome and Papal States.
I am in serious trouble of being defeated ... I find it almost impossible to defend territories in France ... there are so many territories that an attack can come from anywhere.
The other problem is the split of north and south sea zones ... I can't field any ships in the North, so the Danes, Swedes and English(did I mention they are all allied?) can land 4 stacks of troops anywhere in N. Spain without a moments notice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif
The Wizard
12-03-2003, 11:01
Oh, the wonderful glee that comes when you crush backstabbing former allies... it is their deserved fate http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
chilling
12-03-2003, 11:28
The Byzantines in my current Turkish campaign have been at war with me since the off. I hadn't even taken many of their provinces, concentrating on North Africa, Spain and South East Europe. Whatever I did they wouldn't agree to a ceasefire.
That was until the Horde turned up and started turning their armies into mincemeat. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
They've been hammering on the castle gates looking for some help recently. Unfortunately their ambassidors seem very accident prone, they keep falling down the stairs whilst enjoying my hospitality.
Brutal DLX
12-03-2003, 12:20
Quote[/b] (noramis @ Dec. 03 2003,02:34)]The year: 1155.
I am the Italians playing Wesmod 3.13 ...
Currently at war with 6 factions (yes, 6)
Poland, Egypt, Germany, Swiss, Danes, English.
Sorry for off-topic, but the Swiss? What business do they have in 1155? Is this a default for MedMod? If so, it's very unaccurate...
Quote[/b] ]Sorry for off-topic, but the Swiss? What business do they have in 1155? Is this a default for MedMod? If so, it's very unaccurate...
My apologies to Wes and to you, I meant the Swedes. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Snowhobbit
12-07-2003, 02:50
GAH
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif
I hate it when people conuse swiss with swedes, but whatever http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
Somebody Else
12-07-2003, 16:04
The best and only way to win a war is to stop the warmongering AI causing said war. Crush them utterly. No more war. After all, who wants diplomacy?
(Who uses agents anyway?)
The Wizard
12-07-2003, 22:58
Many, many people. I like to burn the Pope at the stake, for instance. Oh, and take a couple ten thousand Italians with him. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Somebody Else
12-08-2003, 01:03
I use my agents in large units... units of say 60 CMaA agents...
Diplomacy at the point of a sword is the way forwards. Many swords is even better
el_slapper
12-08-2003, 11:38
You can win without agents, but it's easier with. Especially spies in a defensive role. No more rebellion in rear areas. Way cool.
How is it that certain factions such as the Sicilians, can decide when they are no longer at war with you? I was engaged in a conflict with them a while ago after they arbitrarily decided to sink one of my ships. They were in sight of my armies (I was in Naples, while they were in Sicily). Before I had sunk their ship, and without sending an emissary to negotiate a cease-fire, I noticed one turn that they had become neutral to me again. How is it possible that they could go from a stance of war to a stance of neutrality, without asking for a cease-fire?
The Wizard
12-09-2003, 21:37
It happened to me as the HRE. France invaded me, I thought "fine, now I can conquer France without getting excommunicated right away". Next turn, I counterattack and get a warning from the Pope http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif Turns out they had suddenly turned neutral for no reason -_-;
el_slapper
12-10-2003, 15:10
Commentaire[/b] (Wizzy @ Dec. 09 2003,20:37)]It happened to me as the HRE. France invaded me, I thought "fine, now I can conquer France without getting excommunicated right away". Next turn, I counterattack and get a warning from the Pope http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif Turns out they had suddenly turned neutral for no reason -_-;
That is different from peace. Just that if you're catholic, youe enemy too, & the pope does not like you(he's erratic), you"ll get the warning - and a potential excom.
Don't care, & invade anyways. Excom is annoying, but France is a long-term threat.
The Wizard
12-10-2003, 20:24
Don't worry; French blood is long since dried 'pon my blade. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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