Double Crusade ?

[Jxrc]

I do not know if it appeared with VI or with the latest patch but I have seen something odd.

1) two crusades sent by different faction on the same provinces are now possible;
2) if a catholic faction gains control of a province where a crusade has been sent, the crusade is not disbanded but carries on and you get the message "the whatever arrive and politely explain that they are on a mission for God and ask you to hand over the province peacefully".

The odd thing is that I had send a crusade to Antioch and so did the German a bit later on. I arrived first and conquered it. A few turns later the German arrived and ask me to hand over the province. I did and I got the message saying that I had recovered the crusade marker in the starting province. I did not but I got back my troops without paying a ransom ...

Anyone notice such things ?

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[Hetman_Koronny]

*bows*

I'm playing MTW without VI and two crusades are possible. However, I have some furhter comments.

I went through the similar situation as Jxrc did. I was playing the Spanish and launched a successfull crusade to Palestine. A few turns later the French sent their emisarry politely asking me to hand them the province peacefully http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif. Insolent fools

And so I slaughtered the French, got excommunicated and all that.

But to the topic. In the example above (and such experience I've had more than once) my King was first to announce the crusade, while the other fraction did it afterwards.

Now, I noticed that should this be the other way around my fraction's crusade will indeed get disbanded once the other fraction (who called the crusade prior to me) takes over a region http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif.

I am pretty sure that's the case but I am looking for the others to confirm/deny that.

*bows*

[Mega Dux Bob]

If you can conquer the province the rival crusade comes from; it disbands it if the faction loses controll of the chapture house.

[The_Emperor]

I thought that once a province has been captured all crusades leading to it get the "the province is back in the hands of true catholics, the crusade has been disbanded".

That always happens to me when i crusade to somewhere and the enemy beats me to it (or am i getting confused here) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Jxrc]

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Dec. 04 2003,12:06)]I thought that once a province has been captured all crusades leading to it get the "the province is back in the hands of true catholics, the crusade has been disbanded".
That seems to be the point. You win the race,the other crusade keeps on going and ask you to hand over the province.

You loose and your crusade is disbanded.

The only ones who ever handed over a province to one of my crusades are the Byz and I was at war with them the next turn ...

[Kristaps]

In my experience, if a human player has a crusade marching towards a province and it gets taken over by an AI faction, the player's crusade gets disbanned with a message "The ... province is back in hands of true catholics".

Nevertheless, if a human player's crusade succeeds in taking over the target province of an AI faction's crusade, the AI's crusade won't get disbanned and will arrive at your doorstep with a message to 'hand over the province'... If a human player decides to 'hand the province over', his crusade is disbanned. Whereas, if a human player decides to fight: the pope excommunicates him disregarding the fact the human was first to launch the crusade and conquer the province...

In a similar fashion, a human player cannot have more than one crusade in progress while the AI appears to be able to launch several and sometimes even target them at the same province.

Just seems like a load of bugged code issues...

[HawaiianHobbit]

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Dec. 04 2003,13:06)]I thought that once a province has been captured all crusades leading to it get the "the province is back in the hands of true catholics, the crusade has been disbanded".

That always happens to me when i crusade to somewhere and the enemy beats me to it (or am i getting confused here) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
That happens to me too. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Brutal DLX]

As Kraxis said. But if I remember correctly, you get your crusade marker returned at least, and thus don't lose influence. Crusading is a tricky business...

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Brutal DLX @ Dec. 05 2003,10:45)]As Kraxis said. But if I remember correctly, you get your crusade marker returned at least, and thus don't lose influence. Crusading is a tricky business...
Thats why I always Crusade across the ocean rather than trudging across land year after year...

With luck I will capture the province before the other crusade has even been sent http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[barvaz]

I will use the thread to ask a related question, if you don't mind.

Playing as the English, I was at war with the Egyptians and Almohads, making my bloody trail through North Africa. While getting close to Egypt, I saw there is a huge Egyptian army waiting for me there so thinking some holy wrath may soften them a bit, I launch a crusade against Egypt.

In the meanwhile, my armies get stronger and the Egyptians get weaker from their war with Byzantium and after few years Egypt doesn’t look impossible to conquer anymore so I storm the heretics and get Egypt.

The crusade, however, is still there, making its way through Turkey, still targeting Egypt.

So, what happens now ? I am stuck with a crusade going to a land I already hold. What will happen when it reaches Egypt ? Should I let it get there or is there any way to disband it ?

Thanks.

- barvaz

[Brutal DLX]

Hmm...

I don't remember what happens in this case. I think I always made sure my crusade is the first one that conquers the target province (along with other forces, if necessary). If you have fully conquered Egypt, took the castle etc, and your crusade is still there, then by all means take it to Egypt. You will get your king a little additional influence and that is never bad. Normally the crusade should disband and you get complete controls of the units that were in it, once it reached Egypt. Until then, you have no means to cancel the crusade except letting it stay in another province until the last men has left it, or letting it fight versus enemy armies until the last man of the crusade has fallen.

[Oaty]

Crusades always seem to be the big kicker in the game. Heres a funny one I saw happen The French launched a crusade against the Turks and the Byzantines had takin the province. At that time the pope disbanded crusade while it was still in France. Unfortanetley for me I was the Italians and the border I shared with them changed drastically as I had about 10 units of feudal men at arms to take on there 10 units or so of spearmen and now faced with a bunch of crusader cavalry and 1 unit of spearmen along with the infantry to face them. For any of that ever ran into this sometimes the pope will not allow crusades against the Byzantines and sometimes he will, I dont know what factors get thrown into this but you will get a message something like the pope sees the Byzantines as a srtrong ally and will not allow a crusade against them and no the pope is not in alliance with the empire