Great chicken tactics!!!

[PseRamesses]

Playing Russian on normal level settings from 1200 AD:
As ya´ll now the little Mongol tea-party will arrive in 1230 AD so I was playing against that goal.
First of all I took all rebel-provs I could grab setting the eastern European border att Prussia-Volhynia and moldavia. All the Baltic provs are mine and I got Georgia in a short Turkish war.
Builded military in Muscowy, Novgorod, Livonia and Lithuania because the pre-existing infrastructure there. All other Provs just get the necessary cash boosting upgrades.
In 1230 AD ALL of my military forces are located in Khazar, 4.019 men, HB´s and Boyars mainly when the AI hits me with an Mongol force of 18.349 men Holy mother
Since the Mongols started their invasion with most of her foot soldiers and ended with cav.archers I did the oposite.
After batteling for 2 h and 30 min i had just 600 HB´s and spearmen left. I had killed just over 6.000 men and lost 3.200 so the Mongols must have had at least 5.000 men left - all cav.archers which I can´t chase around with HB´s right
In desperating I hide my men in a small forest with hold formation, hold position orders and to my joy the mongols didn´t dare to enter my wooded realm. One cav.company after the other just turned tails letting a new and fresh one in on the battlefield and I suffered zero lossses. When this pattern repeated itself I just put the speed-slider to max and let time go. After just under 1 h the battle was over and I was victorious with a tactic that will go down in history as the PseRamesses chicken manouvre, he he That´s all folks, you don´t have to fight to win

[Ja'chyra]

Nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Kind of like pull the duvet over my head and the scary man with the axe won't notice me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Cazbol]

Halberdiers in a forest are an invincible defence against the Mongols. You would have won this fight even if the Mongols had chosen to attack. Seemingly the Mongols were sensible enough not to waste their lives for no gain.

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (Ja'chyra @ Dec. 10 2003,07:41)]Nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Kind of like pull the duvet over my head and the scary man with the axe won't notice me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Well, atleast the bad man with the axe left me alone, he he

[The_Emperor]

Running and hiding in the woods is a lifesaver when fighting the Mongols.

Anyway be happy that you didn't fight them on Expert difficulty because the Mongol Army is VERY Big

Put it this way the last time I fought them, I had half of the Mongol Army invade Kiev (some 8,000 men) my forces held it with just over 2,000 men... But there we were camped out in the little trees driving off Mongols as they came in Wave after Wave.

The battle lasted for around 250 Minutes before the timer expired...

I can only guess how long it would have lasted if I was trying to hold Khazar from the full onslaught of the Horde

[Paxx]

I tried this chicken tactic but did't work for me...
Mercians invaded a country of mine (playing as Saxons), with more than 4500 men. My defense was at about 1500 men.
After about a half hour battle I had slaughtered about 3200 men, and lost more than 1000. At this time my armoured spearmen held well, till they started wavering as enemy reiforcements got more and more. Then I spreaded my 4 units of rested archers to the four forest-covered corners of the map. As soon as my infantry routed they chased me-with their infantry,there were no cav left- in every corner Of course they won the battle but suffered great great losses

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Dec. 10 2003,08:09)]I can only guess how long it would have lasted if I was trying to hold Khazar from the full onslaught of the Horde
Well, it took 3 and 1/2 hours and the last hour was set at max speed just doing nothing

[The_Emperor]

Running into the woods works best when fighting Cavalry/Missile heavy armies, this is why the Mongols take such a pummeling in the woods... If your fighting Militia and Men at Arms the woods, then being in the woods won't help you much.

[Paxx]

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Dec. 10 2003,10:16)]Running into the woods works best when fighting Cavalry/Missile heavy armies, this is why the Mongols take such a pummeling in the woods... If your fighting Militia and Men at Arms the woods, then being in the woods won't help you much.
learned it well... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
But I wonder why Mongols didnt charge into the woods..they would have won the battle...

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (PseRamesses @ Dec. 10 2003,14:14)]
Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Dec. 10 2003,08:09)]I can only guess how long it would have lasted if I was trying to hold Khazar from the full onslaught of the Horde
Well, it took 3 and 1/2 hours and the last hour was set at max speed just doing nothing
Yes but you were playing on Normal difficulty with a smaller Horde army... (18,000 Men Right?)

On Expert the Mongols Turn up with around 35,000 men. So the battle would take quite a bit longer