pope

[Master Luna]

Todays pope are a mear sparkle of what they used to be in the middle ages.They onced controlle nearly all of Italy now they rule in a mini city-state..just wish he had the power he onced did,it would do so much for the Catholic church,anyway what do you think. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Papewaio]

Defintily not.

Fundamentalism of all flavours are unpalatable.

You may want to also remember that popes of that time where murdered, commited nepotism, had more then one pope, commited adultery, and pretty much made Machivalli a choir boy by comparison.

The wan of religion was good for humanity.

[Master Luna]

what does fudementalism mean???

[Papewaio]

Actually it means several things. The context I am using it in is the type where people take such a strong hold to their beliefs that they sanction things like suicide bombings, inquistions, crusades etc

[Master Luna]

ok just wanted to know,thanks dude. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Papewaio]

Oh BTW I'm being my most obnoxious cynical self at them moment http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Welcome to the Org and watch out for the Aussies as they are to sarcastic by half.

[Master Luna]

what? Aussies=? thank for the welcome. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[torsoboy]

For a religion that preaches about the evils of money they sure have mucho dineros. They should give it away to non-believers, like me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[ichi]

Quote[/b] ]what? Aussies=?Aussies live near the South Pole, in a land called Kookaburra.

They are the descendants of criminals, ride kangaroos, drink beer from gallon-sized cans, and say things like 'G'day mate'. They spend their days fighting with wierd animals called Kiwis (who live on the Island of Tasmania) and posting on the internet. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Mel Gibson is one.

Back on thread, the Papacy was responsible for some of the most horrible things ever - the Crusades, the Inquisition, the suppression of science (it threatened the Church), the destruction of New World civilizations, and the repression of women. It has been corrupt at times, power-hungry always.

Which is too bad, as it could be one of the sources of great good in the world. Fortunately, under the the current Pope, there has been a renewed focus on helping people around the world.


half in jest,

ichi

[Papewaio]

Ichi your accuracy was spot on until you mentioned Mel...

[ichi]

Merry Christmas Pape, and to all Aussies

ichi

[Quokka]

Definitely not The Pope has shown how out of touch with reality he is with his recent paper saying that condoms CAUSE AIDS

Why can't a Pope resign? This one clearly needs to resign and rest for his health, hes past it. Its not the best to have a senile fool for your leader, just look at all the flak the US cops.

ichi
Not all Aussies ride Kangaroos. Over here in the west life is slower paced so we prefer to ride the more traditional Crocodile. Peak hour can be a bit of a bugger and you don't want to cut anyone off and cause road rage.

Kiwis don't live in Tasmania either, no sheep, Tasmanian Tigers and Bunyips do. Lately they haven't put up much of a fight about anything either, I think they may have all become Hobbits.

Mel is a Yankee.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]just look at all the flak the US cops
They get flak for the mindless things they do, not because someone likes to piss them off... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Guthwyn]

One of the first clashes between science and the church was the emergence of the Copernican theory of the solar system, i.e. that the earth revolves around the sun (rather than every object in the universe revolving around the earth, as was the dogma at the time). The scientific work that supported this theory, the most famous of which being that presented by Galileo, should be considered masterpieces of the current scientific method.
I find it truly amazing that an idea that we take for granted today was once so powerful and frightening. Please consider for a moment that while today even a relatively young child can explain the solar system, that there was a time when men died-were executed in a horrible manner-for publicly espousing such views. Think about the profound pychological perspective once thought so dangerous that we have come to accept: that Earth is not at the center of God's universe, but merely one spot in a corner of it.
Hmmm...reading the above to myself, it could be taken as a rather heavy topic for so early in the morning, and I guess it is. This shouldn't be taken as a criticism of the pious, rather, as a criticism and example of the dangers of dogmatism. I find that contrary to what some of that age feared, our scientific understanding of ourselves and our universe has shown us the incredible detail and magnificence that the Creator employed.
I also find it unfortunate that dogmas, both scientific and religious, are still used today to divide us. I instead believe that there is a duality to our existance, and that neither rationality or blind faith are alone sufficient to define our existance (similar to the way light is viewed as both particulate and wave form; neither viewpoint was entirely reconcilable, but both could define some parts of its behavior; let's worry about photons later). Whether there will be a great wave of moderation and discussion in order to find common ground has yet to be seen, but since it doesn't make for good TV, I doubt it.
See, this is what happens when I bring my laptop to the lab. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif So, to answer the potentially highly flammable original post, no, I'm glad the church doesn't wield the power it once did. Else, I might be out of a job.

We are stardust. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

Guthwyn

P.S. Along the lines of this threads sub-topic, is it just me, or are Mel's movies pretty anti-British? Is this an Aussie thing, or has Mel just found them to be good patsies? I don't know about you, but I came away from Braveheart and The Patriot wanting to kick some colonial British butt http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif Come to think of it, didn't the British start the war depicted in the Mad Max trilogy? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]This shouldn't be taken as a criticism of the pious, rather, as a criticism and example of the dangers of dogmatism. I find that contrary to what some of that age feared, our scientific understanding of ourselves and our universe has shown us the incredible detail and magnificence that the Creator employed.
Since I don't believe in the existence of a Creator...

...you can guess my opinion on real-world religious power http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ] Along the lines of this threads sub-topic, is it just me, or are Mel's movies pretty anti-British? Is this an Aussie thing, or has Mel just found them to be good patsies? I don't know about you, but I came away from Braveheart and The Patriot wanting to kick some colonial British butt
There is a quirk about Mel recently:

-He thinks he is a Director and a Scriptwriter http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

All of his recent directing projects, are just pure personal Pride and Megalomania... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif

[Math Mathonwy]

POpE? ha man i usualle burn him as a heritic, suprisingly its easy with grand inquistors. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ... no loss hes annoying anywaz. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[lordkristo]

Quote[/b] (Quokka @ Dec. 17 2003,03:55)]Why can't a Pope resign? This one clearly needs to resign and rest for his health, hes past it. Its not the best to have a senile fool for your leader,...
In response to Quokka, personally as a Catholic, I am offended by your labeling the leader of the largest, over 1 billion current members, and with a history of over 2000 years, a senile person. It is in Catholic tradition that the Pope remains in his position until death. I think his perseverence through all his ills is a model that many in this world could learn from. As THE religious leader of the world, for most Christians, and not just Catholics, I think he deserves a little respect for all he has done in the advancement of peace in the past 25 years. Saying that, I can not wait until the fall of 04 to kick some barbarian ass. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif