dealing with horse archers , jinetes?

[Jeanne d'arc]

I hate those light cavalry units , as soon as i try to attack them they run away and as soon as i retreat they start to fire arrows in my unit,very frustrating.For now i let my trebizond archers deal with this but they dont have unlimited arrows so after that i usually get in trouble.
Especially when dealing with 3000 men armies from the spanish invading your province.

[Leet Eriksson]

any light cavalry can handle horse archers,use alan mercenaries or any fast cavalry unit,also foot archers,alot of foot archers

watch out for the tough ones like the mameluke HA and Faris/szekley horse archers,they really pack a punch.

[NewJeffCT]

Your 60 foot archers are better overall archers and are 60 men compared to 40 horse archers or jinettes. Just protect your archers and you'll wear them down... regular horse archers have low morale, too.

[Shamus]

I have had similar problems in recent weeks (as you can see in a thread I started earlier here (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=13414) ). One of the best things I could say if you are attacking their province, is don’t waste your time (and energy) trying to chase them all over the map individually (if you are defending, cut them down with foot archers when they attack). Try to line you men out and force the enemy into a corner. It can be difficult to coordinate, but I have found it to be the most effective way to deal with an army consisting largely of mounted skirmishers. I’m not sure if others would agree.

[twjunkie]

I find that when facing horse archers or jintes, with a little work you can keep them away from the main battle with some light calvary like Mounted Srgts or Holibars. Then as the battle starts to wind down free up a unit or 2 of heavier cav or spears and use your light cav to herd the HA against them. Once you get them in the pincer they rout fairly quickly and its game over.Personally I like using spears as they usually bear the brunt of the arrow attacks from the HA.Just seems fair to let them have some revenge they normally don't get. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ichi]

Set up near one of the side edges, in a good defensive position.

Place extra archers on your flank away from the edge, so if any HA (or Jinetes or whatever) come there they are hit with archer fire. Try to get them to come at you along the map edge (near point X).

arch arch arch X ||
arch inf inf inf inf inf inf ||
HA cav Gen cav cav ||map edge


Now take a fast light cav, even your own HA, and flank around the HA you wish to deal with. Once you are in position, don't click on the enemy, but instead click on a point behind them. Now charge with a second unit of cav.

With the flanking unit, catch and hold the HA, hit with heavier cav from your lines, and watch 'em rout off the edge.

Takes a lot of micromanagement, but it can be effective.

ichi

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Shamus @ Dec. 18 2003,09:16)]Try to line you men out and force the enemy into a corner. It can be difficult to coordinate, but I have found it to be the most effective way to deal with an army consisting largely of mounted skirmishers. I’m not sure if others would agree.
To hunt down skirmishers is always tough, shamus gives a good all-around advice and ichi presents a possibly good solution, try it out Generally, don't chase the skrimishers and the runner, lure them into a trap by presenting one unit as a bait and then outflank them with some fast cav. Archers are always good against light cav, put them up front whenever possible

[Daevyll]

In larger battles you can often simply ignore them.

In a close fought huge battle with reinforcements on both sides, those few horse archers will not amount to all that many casualties compared to the slaughter in the battle line; certainly not worth breaking formation for (which, historically, was one of their main uses).

Of course this doesnt work when faced with an army where mounted missile units are predominant.
I assume you would not attack an army like that without a good counter, so when attacked by one just plonk your infantry inside woods and wait it out. They'll run out of arrows before you run out of men, and then they'll have to come into the forests to get you or lose by default.

[Oaty]

I have recently found another way that works great. Let the skirmishing cavalry get as close to your line as they will get and use javelins on foot and in hold formation and with. The way this usually works is I take care of all there foot units first ignoring the skirmishers and if I have spare units left while the battle is going on then I take care of them but usually I wait till most of there men rout and escort the javelineers with spearmen. 1 full unit of javelineers can take out 2 lightly armoured horses down to 10 men each. What I do is let them unleash there javelins and by the time there down to half a stack of javelins and the horses are down to 10 but sometimes they rout before you can wreak the full havoc. The great thing is that they almost never skirmish away from them.

[mbrasher1]

Those pesky jinetes. Grrrr.

As mentioned, the best approach is to use archers on them. They present a bigger target, and are smaller than a foot archer unit. They will take the worst of it. As for using hobilars or MS, I'd advise against it. The hobbies are slowerr and weaker. So when they are isolated, the jinnies will destroy them, or lure them near a unit of spears as you micromanage the main engagement. The jinetes are fast, and will simply have the MS running all over the map. Best case, both units are running around ineffectually. Worst case, your guys are lured into a trap.

Simply spike them with the archers, and ignore them. Sure it uses arrows to kill them, but they are taking the worst of it.

Alternatively, take an Ibwreian province and get jinetes of your own . . .

[Math Mathonwy]

the other day i faced an almost all jinete army(vs. the a0i) wut i did was simple and it worked bueatifully, however probly only would work if almost the whole army is jinetes. i separated my cav in 2 groups and swept in from both sides quickly herding the pesky lil jinetes into one big group in the middle, were i proceeded to annhilate them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif pretty lil screenie (http://hometown.aol.com/kidj0e04/images/screenshot%202.jpg)