Return of the king

[Kadagar_AV]

ROHANS CHARGE

*nuff said?*

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[Silianat]

Orikai Attack RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Ahhhhh RUN AWAY RUN AWAY

[Gregoshi]

It was a thing of beauty, wasn't it?

I loved the now what? look of Theoden's face each time a new threat came at them.

[lordkristo]

That woulld be awesome if someone made a LOTR game with the RTW game engine.

[Gregoshi]

How about a LOTR mod on the MTW/VI engine? Middle Earth Total War (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=10312;st=0) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Paxx]

Guys I've seen it just yestrday....ohh at scene where Theoden encouraged the 6000 Rohan cavalary and charge into the Orcs I got up from my seat and started yelling too That scene was divine... I still tremble when I remember this moment...awesome.


--Can MTW engine bear so much units?--

[Bevan of Hertfordshire]

i did that too in the Two Towers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/snowman.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/snowman.gif lol

when rohan charged out the door i jumped up and shouted for Rohan

[The_Emperor]

Well us Brits are a reserved lot... I didn't jump up form my seat but I did have a grin a mile wide and mutter Ha-Ha, excellent as the charge came in.

And there was a round of applause after the film was over.

[torsoboy]

Funny, I was about to conjure a thread about RotK. Was it just me or did Minas Tirith very much resemble Constantinople? The inhabitants sure looked like Greeks. The Gondorians are descendants of those who survived the sinking of Numenore (which has parallels to Atlantis). The Rohan are the Norman allies (Varangian Guard anyone?), and the orcs are the Huns perhaps.

[Mega Dux Bob]

Ah when Theoden was ridding along banging on the spear points of his men; that was the coolest moment in the series. You could see him stopping the panic that was starting when they saw that many orcs.

You know Gondor looked like French Chateau meets Constantinople to me. Has that same thought when I red the books that Tolkien had based the siege of Gondor on the siege of Constinople by the Turks.

But, has anyone in Middle Earth ever heard of a defensive ditch?

[Alecks]

In the Twp Towers' battle for Helms deep there was a nice charge as well. At the critical moment Gandalf appears, with Riders of Rohan.

They charge into the ork pikemen. Unless Gandalf pulled a very neat trick from his sleeve the result should have been horse shish kebab.

I don't say the movies are bad, far from that, I love them and the battles look great, but if tolkien would have been a general in middle earth the future for mankind there would have looked bleak indeed.

I love the big, massed battles, I can't wait untill I can get my hands on Middle-Earth : Total War if is ever released, but horseman don't charge pikeman succesfully. If I were writer/director I would have placed a convenient block of swordsmen instead.

[Kadagar_AV]

horsemen charge pikemen (pikeorcs) succesfully if they orcs individually decides they dont wanna face 6000 cavallery with just a sharp stick...

the orcs began to flee before impact.. and never had the chance to reform the lines.

it looked damn cool.



further, last charge of Faramir was brilliant... my GF wept the whole scene through.

200 guys vs what? 10k orcs?

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Kadagar_AV @ Dec. 19 2003,18:55)]last charge of Faramir was brilliant... my GF wept the whole scene through.

200 guys vs what? 10k orcs?
Yeah I loved that scene, the last valiant charge into almost certain death... Those Armoured Men charging with the light reflecting off their armour and weapons just looked incredible

Aragorn's charge at the black gate wasn't in the same league as that

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]They charge into the ork pikemen. Unless Gandalf pulled a very neat trick from his sleeve the result should have been horse shish kebab.
Completelly agree on this one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Tactical-wise Tolkien was somewhat faulty.
Sadly, PJ is even worse. Just dumb... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Gregoshi]

But Gandalf did pull a neat trick from his sleeve and thus most of the Rohirrim weren't shishkabobed. I believe the Red Baron stole this very trick from Gandalf in WWI. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

There is something about the thunder of hooves that gets the heart pounding. I love it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Paxx]

Quote[/b] (Mega Dux Bob @ Dec. 19 2003,12:53)]Ah when Theoden was ridding along banging on the spear points of his men; that was the coolest moment in the series.
man i just shuddered...


Quote[/b] ]Yeah I loved that scene, the last valiant charge into almost certain death... Those Armoured Men charging with the light reflecting off their armour and weapons just looked incredible
that was awesome too. the singing of the hobbit and the sound of hosres, the alternating scenes of the king of Minas Tirith eating and the brave charge of his son...

I think we souldn't involve tactics here. as Gandalf said:the only thing that can save us, is the braveness of our men (smth like that)

Maybe TROY have great battles with tactics, let us wait...

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]that was awesome too. the singing of the hobbit and the sound of hosres, the alternating scenes of the king of Minas Tirith eating and the brave charge of his son...

Agreed. One of the best moments of the film... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Maybe TROY have great battles with tactics, let us wait...
Unfortunatelly I don't think so... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

The same for the 2 Alexander's movies... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Cebei]

Did anybody noticed that the archers on the Southern elephants looked like turcoman foot soldiers?

And that Aragorn shouted ...weeee areee thee peopleee of the Weeestt

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[Brother Derfel]

I wouldn;t call Tolkien a bad general, as in the books he rarely comments on the way the battles are handled and gves no in detail accounts.

The blame for dodgy tactics in the films fall entirely in PJ's lap if you ask me. Leave Tolkien alone

[The Scourge of Moderaters]

Sansum is cumming 4 u, Derfel.
And Nimue fancies u btw.
And Ceinwyn is a victim of vodoo.
And Galahad is da best

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Brother Derfel:

Quote[/b] ]Leave Tolkien alone
I've been a fan of Tolkien for a long time. I own all of his Middle Earth Books.
I've even bought them in the english language, because I thought that the translation would never be enough to portray the richness of his language.

I think PJ sold himself to his producers, allowing for a lot of parts in the books to be assassinated in the adaptation. However, it could have been so much worse http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

I'm not bashing Tolkien, far from it. In fact, I stated that PJ is FAR WORSE in the armies and battle representations, than Tolkien is in the books.
Yes, Tolkien is not excessivelly descriptive in army formations and tactics, but the medium forgives much more. All the more reason for PJ to have a tactical advisor to improve the film, which I find lacking to say the least... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Dec. 20 2003,11:14)]I'm not bashing Tolkien, far from it. In fact, I stated that PJ is FAR WORSE in the armies and battle representations, than Tolkien is in the books.
Yes, Tolkien is not excessivelly descriptive in army formations and tactics, but the medium forgives much more. All the more reason for PJ to have a tactical advisor to improve the film, which I find lacking to say the least... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
But only few can notice this... Most of the people will just go WOOOOW... *sighs*

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Dec. 20 2003,10:22)]Did anybody noticed that the archers on the Southern elephants looked like turcoman foot soldiers?

And that Aragorn shouted ...weeee areee thee peopleee of the Weeestt

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No way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]But only few can notice this... Most of the people will just go WOOOOW... *sighs*
Preciselly. I don't compare my IQ or erudition with mindless dumba**es... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Dec. 20 2003,11:14)]Brother Derfel:

Quote[/b] ]Leave Tolkien alone
I've been a fan of Tolkien for a long time. I own all of his Middle Earth Books.
I've even bought them in the english language, because I thought that the translation would never be enough to portray the richness of his language.

I think PJ sold himself to his producers, allowing for a lot of parts in the books to be assassinated in the adaptation. However, it could have been so much worse http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

I'm not bashing Tolkien, far from it. In fact, I stated that PJ is FAR WORSE in the armies and battle representations, than Tolkien is in the books.
Yes, Tolkien is not excessivelly descriptive in army formations and tactics, but the medium forgives much more. All the more reason for PJ to have a tactical advisor to improve the film, which I find lacking to say the least... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
Yeah, I agree, PJ should have handled it with more authenticity to tactics.

I was merely saying that in the original books, Tolkien leaves the battles open to your imagination almost entirely, so it is nothing to do with him when you have cavalry surviving a charge into the uruk pikemen.

Still, the movies are still blody awesome, even if my imagination can conjure up something even better from just reading Tolkiens original work.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]I was merely saying that in the original books, Tolkien leaves the battles open to your imagination almost entirely, so it is nothing to do with him when you have cavalry surviving a charge into the uruk pikemen.
Very true and that's perfect... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif




Quote[/b] ]Still, the movies are still blody awesome, even if my imagination can conjure up something even better from just reading Tolkiens original work.
Are you reading my mind? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Dec. 20 2003,13:15)]
Quote[/b] ]Still, the movies are still blody awesome, even if my imagination can conjure up something even better from just reading Tolkiens original work.
Are you reading my mind? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
In words of mighty Yoda...

Revealed your opinion is

GAH DOH

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]In words of mighty Yoda...

Revealed your opinion is

GAH DOH
HEHEHEHEHEHEHE http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Alecks]

Quote[/b] (Kadagar_AV @ Dec. 19 2003,19:55)]horsemen charge pikemen (pikeorcs) succesfully if they orcs individually decides they dont wanna face 6000 cavallery with just a sharp stick...

the orcs began to flee before impact.. and never had the chance to reform the lines.

it looked damn cool.
Yes, that's what happened in RotK. A massive charge into an already wavering first line, resulting in a rout before the charge hits home. That scene was beautiful and convincing. The orcs there had only relatively short spears and didn't seem the bravest of the lot. Fleeing through their own troops added to the confusion of those troops and everything crumbled like a house of cards. If I would have been in that front line I would have run, too.

However, I was referring to the battle at Helms Deep. The orcs there seem to be tougher, were on the brink of winning the Battle and had long pikes (at least 10 feet, probably even 15 feet or so), and were in an orderly formation. This should be more than adequate to repel the impact of a cavalry charge. Add to this that the Riders of Rohan are not late medieval heavy knights with barded horses, full plate and a heavy lance but more resemble mounted sergeants or feudal knights.

Anyway, I loved the movies, I'm just a nitpicker. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Kadagar_AV]

alecks>>> In the battle of hjelms deep, the sun came over the hill the moment before the charge hit the line, meaning the pikeorcs let go of their pikes to cover their eyes, OR lowered their pikes... they were in effect blinded.

That's why that scene was trustworthy.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Yes, that's what happened in RotK. A massive charge into an already wavering first line, resulting in a rout before the charge hits home. That scene was beautiful and convincing. The orcs there had only relatively short spears and didn't seem the bravest of the lot. Fleeing through their own troops added to the confusion of those troops and everything crumbled like a house of cards.
Well, you have a point here... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif




Quote[/b] ]If I would have been in that front line I would have run, too.So would I... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif




Quote[/b] ]The orcs there seem to be tougher, were on the brink of winning the Battle and had long pikes (at least 10 feet, probably even 15 feet or so), and were in an orderly formation.
They weren't Orcs, they were Uruks. Different species...




Quote[/b] ]Add to this that the Riders of Rohan are not late medieval heavy knights with barded horses, full plate and a heavy lance but more resemble mounted sergeants or feudal knights.
Feudal Knights, if you compare them to MTW... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]alecks>>> In the battle of hjelms deep, the sun came over the hill the moment before the charge hit the line, meaning the pikeorcs let go of their pikes to cover their eyes, OR lowered their pikes... they were in effect blinded.

That's why that scene was trustworthy.
Don't give PJ an excuse. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

No, you're right. We can believe that explanation... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Alecks]

Quote[/b] (Kadagar_AV @ Dec. 22 2003,13:38)]
Kadagar_AV >>> Ah, ok. Nice timing, then.

Aymar de Bois Mauri >>> I know they were Uruk-Hai. I just saw them as an Ork subspecies.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Ah, ok. Nice timing, then.
Too nice, isn't it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif



Quote[/b] ]I know they were Uruk-Hai. I just saw them as an Ork subspecies.
They were much stronger and taller than the usual Orcs.

From the book:

There were four goblin-soldiers of greater stature, swart, slant-eyed, with thick legs and large hands. They were armed with short broad-bladed swords, not with the curved scimitars usual with Orcs; and they had bows of yew, in length and shape like the bows of Men.

[Gregoshi]

Regarding Gandalf's good timing: one of his first lines in FotR explained it well:

Quote[/b] ]A wizard is never late. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

Pretty prophetic, eh? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Regarding Gandalf's good timing: one of his first lines in FotR explained it well:


Quote[/b] ]A wizard is never late. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.
Pretty prophetic, eh? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Fantastic find you have here... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Obex]

I thought that the movie was great, but it could have been better if there was more crying. i mean, come on. there was really no more than 45 minutes of crying, and i could have used a lot more. if LOTR comes to the totalwar series, i hope an elaberate crying system is implemented. it would balance out an otherwise action and fun oriented game. oh, and maybe add some more 'not quite gay' man hugging too.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]I thought that the movie was great, but it could have been better if there was more crying. i mean, come on. there was really no more than 45 minutes of crying, and i could have used a lot more. if LOTR comes to the totalwar series, i hope an elaberate crying system is implemented. it would balance out an otherwise action and fun oriented game.
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Yes, I agree. The secret weapon Crying would just scare the living sh*t out of any enemy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif




Quote[/b] ] oh, and maybe add some more 'not quite gay' man hugging too.
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif



In fact, all of this is quite sad... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
Most of the time, in the films, PJ has no idea of what Tolkien was talking about when he talked about friensdship, comradry or nobility of spirit... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Have you noticed that most of Tolkien's characters are Ideal, Perfect, Flawless characters?
Like Aragorn, Legolas, Galadriel, etc...

But in PJ's movies ALL characters are flawed. The most notable example is Aragorn. Always doubtfull, in opposition to the book character.
PJ ravages the personalities of the book Gimli, Faramir, Denethor and Hobbits. These last ones become ridiculous childs... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif