Res Romanae

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

There's a new thing on the ofiicial site. On the front page, underneath the box art, there's a little advisor. It reveals a snippet of Roman information everyday. Fun. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif Also, it reveals that advisors will in fact be in the game. I hope they're not done badly though, because bad advisors can be really annoying...

[Stormer]

yea its good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/santa.gif

[Beelzebub]

I've never really seen a useful AI advisor in any game. Unless they can program some genius AI advice, they're better off on just making a really good tutorial.

[Cobra]

The one in M:TW is pretty helpful, I usually use the auto tax thing, as I've forgotten how to set the kingdom wide tax rate like you can in Shogun.

[Alrowan]

i dont know about you, but when i read that archers can now fire on the move and do the parthian shot (over the shoulder) i was stoked

[Voigtkampf]

I really hope that these advisors will be more helpful than some others throughout the games, and having observed the new female advisor I believe they will do just fine, reminding you of important dates, unfinished business et cetera. I know that advisors in other games mostly spoke stunningly obvious things and that you after a short while knew exactly what they will say before they opened their mouth, but since being CA, I doubt that anything can go wrong, sincerely.

And as for Parthian shot, as well as the possibility of archers to shoot while moving (does that include infantry archers?), that is a beautiful and most desired feature. I believe that skirmishing will reach entirely new levels in R:TW.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Quote[/b] (voigtkampf @ Dec. 23 2003,07:23)]I really hope that these advisors will be more helpful than some others throughout the games, and having observed the new female advisor I believe they will do just fine, reminding you of important dates, unfinished business et cetera. I know that advisors in other games mostly spoke stunningly obvious things and that you after a short while knew exactly what they will say before they opened their mouth, but since being CA, I doubt that anything can go wrong, sincerely.

And as for Parthian shot, as well as the possibility of archers to shoot while moving (does that include infantry archers?), that is a beautiful and most desired feature. I believe that skirmishing will reach entirely new levels in R:TW.
I think the little tip stipulates horse archers.

[Ludens]

Can you imagine archers shooting while running? In real life? It is already difficult to shoot, shoot accuratly and reload a gun while running, let alone a cumbersome bow If you were to try it, the arrow could end up hunderds of yards from the inteded target, just because the arm movements you need to make to keep your balance during running. On horse you can keep your arms (relativily) steady, because the horse does the balancing. Perhaps it would be possible to fire a bow while walking, but that would severly compromise accuracy. And you would keep triping over stones you couldn't see because you were aiming into the sky. That would make a fun feature in the game, but I don't suppose that is the purpose of the whole excercise.

[Captain Fishpants]

Quote[/b] (voigtkampf @ Dec. 23 2003,01:23)]I really hope that these advisors will be more helpful than some others throughout the games, and having observed the new female advisor I believe they will do just fine, reminding you of important dates, unfinished business et cetera. I know that advisors in other games mostly spoke stunningly obvious things and that you after a short while knew exactly what they will say before they opened their mouth, but since being CA, I doubt that anything can go wrong, sincerely.
Well, with faith in us like that, we'd best not mess things up then http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Just to set a few minds at rest about the advisor: the system is currently being constructed to do the following tasks (along with a few others).

The advisor - the civic one is currently called Victoria - will act as a helpful assistant, to remind you of things you may have forgotten in your busy routine of attempting to become Emperor. This includes such mundane chores as spotting when a settlement needs new training orders, or keeping an eye on your cashflow. She'll also warn you of potential problems, such as rebellious murmurings in cities, and suggest solutions to deal with the problem. Finally, she'll help teach people to play the game. While many .org patrons will have a good grasp of how a Total War game works, the same will not be true of everyone who picks up the game. Helping new people to understand what is a fairly complicated game world compared to many is important. There are also wrinkles in the way that Rome: Total War plays when compared to MTW, but then you'd expect that given the different subject matter, and the advisor can point these out.

On the battlefield, the advisor is there to suggest tactics, warn you against committing gross follies (such as charging cavalry into a hedge of pikes) and act as an ADC.

As a player, you'll be able to tailor (or turn off) the detail level and kind of advice that you receive, both before and during the game. You'll also be able to ask for advice, as well as having it pre-emptively appear.

Hope that's all useful. I must be feeling generous with the Christmas spirit... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Ludens]

Very useful,
Thank you Captain Fishpants,
Merry Christmas to you.

[Voigtkampf]

Most generous and most forthcoming, thank you, my fair Lord Captain Fishpants… (hmm, the nick took all the grace away from it, oh, well…)

I have complete and utter faith in the positive outcome, or should I say another glorious achievement from CA. Where you go, no one can follow; that is the distinction between your respectable team and the entire rest of unimaginative competition out there. Now see this not as a mere lip service, I get paid to judge and pass verdicts on success/failure of PC games, and on the very day I learned about Rome: Total War I stormed the editors office and threatened to inflict serious injuries on every poor, demented soul that would dare to take the review of this diamond upon his shoulders. Realizing that it would be utterly unwise to discuss this subject in a reasonable manner with an aggressive over 6 foot 5 inches tall and 220 pounds heavy ex-weight lifter, all other who aspired to this assignment routed immediately, and the editor, fearing for his mere life calmed me with assuring words, pledges and, last but not least, a glass of Bavaria.

That is the measure of my confidence in the brilliancy of your work, and I never lose a bet.

So, Godspeed and good luck, respected ones…

[Ludens]

LOL

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Ludens wrote:


Quote[/b] ]Can you imagine archers shooting while running? In real life? It is already difficult to shoot, shoot accuratly and reload a gun while running, let alone a cumbersome bow If you were to try it, the arrow could end up hunderds of yards from the inteded target, just because the arm movements you need to make to keep your balance during running. On horse you can keep your arms (relativily) steady, because the horse does the balancing. Perhaps it would be possible to fire a bow while walking, but that would severly compromise accuracy. And you would keep triping over stones you couldn't see because you were aiming into the sky. That would make a fun feature in the game, but I don't suppose that is the purpose of the whole excercise.
But that is EXACTLY what Eastern Horse Archers did http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Don't you believe it to be historical fact? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

IT IS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Haven't you ever seen a Japanese Horse Archer today, at their traditional (ancient=medieval) competition of mounted archery? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif


Just check this (I don't have many links, though):

Traditional Horse Archery (http://silverhorde.viahistoria.com/main.html)

Mongolian Horse Archery (http://www.atarn.org/mongolian/mongolia.htm)

Magyar Horse Archery (http://www.atarn.org/magyar/magyar_link.htm)

There are some demonstration videos of the horse archery techniques.


Or read this thread (look for Kyûba no michi - The Way of Horse and Bow, a term for the Heian and Kamakura era.):

Vote your favourite archer (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=3;t=9875;hl=vote+for+your;st=25)


For more general information:

Archery General Information (http://archeryinfo.info/)


For Japanese Archery you can search the Web for pages with the following keywords:

-Kyudo
-Kyûba no michi


And if you still don't believe me just ask Orda Khan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Now see this not as a mere lip service, I get paid to judge and pass verdicts on success/failure of PC games, and on the very day I learned about Rome: Total War I stormed the editors office and threatened to inflict serious injuries on every poor, demented soul that would dare to take the review of this diamond upon his shoulders.
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif




Quote[/b] ]Realizing that it would be utterly unwise to discuss this subject in a reasonable manner with an aggressive over 6 foot 5 inches tall and 220 pounds heavy ex-weight lifter, all other who aspired to this assignment routed immediately, and the editor, fearing for his mere life calmed me with assuring words, pledges and, last but not least, a glass of Bavaria.

6 foot 5 inches tall and 220 pounds heavy ex-weight lifter???? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Remind me NEVER EVER to disagree with you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

Hmm would it be possible to have a res romanea in the game too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif i get the feeling it would be pretty fun to take a break from empire building and read some snippets http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Dec. 27 2003,12:50)]Ludens wrote:


Quote[/b] ]Can you imagine archers shooting while running? In real life? It is already difficult to shoot, shoot accuratly and reload a gun while running, let alone a cumbersome bow If you were to try it, the arrow could end up hunderds of yards from the inteded target, just because the arm movements you need to make to keep your balance during running. On horse you can keep your arms (relativily) steady, because the horse does the balancing. Perhaps it would be possible to fire a bow while walking, but that would severly compromise accuracy. And you would keep triping over stones you couldn't see because you were aiming into the sky. That would make a fun feature in the game, but I don't suppose that is the purpose of the whole excercise.
But that is EXACTLY what Eastern Horse Archers did http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Don't you believe it to be historical fact? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

IT IS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Japanese archers had also some very neat bows, they were not symmetrical, lower part being shorter than the part above, enabling them to quickly switch and fire to opposite sides…

As for some mastery of archers on horses, look up Mongols or virtually almost every Asian steppe people…

[Ashen]

or let him sit on you aymar http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Ashen @ Dec. 30 2003,07:13)]or let him sit on you aymar http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
Lord Aymar is most welcome refreshment to these boards, a man of high valor and fair wisdom; I would certainly find a more dignifying way of settling my affairs with him than to sit on him…

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]or let him sit on you aymar http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
You can bet on that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif




Quote[/b] ]Lord Aymar is most welcome refreshment to these boards, a man of high valor and fair wisdom; I would certainly find a more dignifying way of settling my affairs with him than to sit on him…
Well, that is GOOD to know... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Dec. 27 2003,19:50)]Ludens wrote:


Quote[/b] ]Can you imagine archers shooting while running? In real life? It is already difficult to shoot, shoot accuratly and reload a gun while running, let alone a cumbersome bow If you were to try it, the arrow could end up hunderds of yards from the inteded target, just because the arm movements you need to make to keep your balance during running. On horse you can keep your arms (relativily) steady, because the horse does the balancing. Perhaps it would be possible to fire a bow while walking, but that would severly compromise accuracy. And you would keep triping over stones you couldn't see because you were aiming into the sky. That would make a fun feature in the game, but I don't suppose that is the purpose of the whole excercise.
But that is EXACTLY what Eastern Horse Archers did http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Don't you believe it to be historical fact? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

IT IS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif , correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't say you couldn't fire a bow while riding a horse. I just said you couldn't do it running. You need your arms for balancing while running. If you're riding a horse, the horse does the balancing. You just have to compensate for its movements, so you can use a bow.

Is there anything unclear about this?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ] correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't say you couldn't fire a bow while riding a horse. I just said you couldn't do it running. You need your arms for balancing while running. If you're riding a horse, the horse does the balancing. You just have to compensate for its movements, so you can use a bow.
AAAAHHHH http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Archers, not horse archers... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

Now I get it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Sorry http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif




Quote[/b] ]Is there anything unclear about this?
Not any more. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Ludens @ Jan. 01 2004,09:01)]http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif , correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't say you couldn't fire a bow while riding a horse. I just said you couldn't do it running. You need your arms for balancing while running. If you're riding a horse, the horse does the balancing. You just have to compensate for its movements, so you can use a bow.

Is there anything unclear about this?
We misunderstood each other, I guess we all believed you refer to the mounted archers…