Cheating [Archive]

kiwitt

12-29-2003, 23:01

I discovered that you could edit the starting pos files and get a different game.

1) I gave the Danes 1,000,000 florins to start. No need to trade. BORING
2) I gave the HRE a province with all improved buildings. No competition. BORING
3) I gave the Spanish lots of Building and Elite Troops. Game over in less than 20 years. BORING

And most importantly, because I got bored, I stopped playing. I started to play Civ3, including buying the new Conquests add-on.

However, this didn't last, started playing MTW after 2 weeks of Civ3. MTW with Stategic Viewpoints and Tactical Battles can not be beaten.

bighairyman

12-29-2003, 23:04

u don't need to edit anything

on campiagne map:
type .deadringer. for 1,000,000 florins

.badgerbunny. for all units and buildings

.worksundays. for aone turn building buildings and training troops

.viagra. Iron in all ur provinces

there are more cheats but these worked best for me when i started on MTW.

PS- don't use them to much

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

gaelic cowboy

12-29-2003, 23:22

Badgerbunny make's the game unstable it will allow units and building's that you shouldnt have plus the A.I. nations get the cheats too allowing them to build a bell foundry straight away. Any time I ever used it the game crashed eventually. If you must cheat give yourself money and leave it at that otherwise the game becomes boring and no fun.

kiwitt

12-29-2003, 23:25

I should have said Cheating, Why not to do it.

katar

12-29-2003, 23:36

lots of people try it out (me to ) , most come to the same conclusion as yourself; it leads to boredom. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

gaelic cowboy

12-29-2003, 23:37

Quote[/b] (kiwitt @ Dec. 29 2003,16:25)]I should have said Cheating, Why not to do it.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif Sorry man i didnt realise still take note all newbies cheaters never prosper the horde will come.

HawaiianHobbit

12-30-2003, 00:05

I only use the .viagra. code, used to use .matteosartori. but it crashed my game, I also tried out .conan. but I didn't like it.

Phatose

12-30-2003, 00:31

Aw, come on, it's not -always- so bad. There is something quite fun about modding the data files so that anyone can build anything, and then trying to play through a game where you never know what someone is going to throw against you. Muslim feudal knights and Italian Infantry versus Spanish Vikings, Longbows and Steppe cavalary? Fun.

ichi

12-30-2003, 02:48

kiwitt, your first few posts have certainly been interesting.

Let's see, spend $40 on a game to amuse/challenge/entertain yourself, then cheat to make it easier. Maybe its just me, but I don't get it.

I wonder if I could make a mod that ended the turn for me automatically, then just set everything to autotax, autoassign titles, autodefend, autoattack, give myself 1,000,000 florins, some viagra, and peasants with 40 MWatt phased plasma rifles, then I could walk away from this game and go play Simpsons Hit & Run.

There was a post the other day, the point of which was that the author was getting beaten by the AI, and he was savoring the challenge

Maybe its just me, but I don't see why anyone would improve this game by cheating.

Another great thread K

ichi

kiwitt

12-30-2003, 03:06

Hi Ichi,

Like I said. Cheating, made the game boring. Have since removed all cheats. I have been playing MTW even since it was released playing every Catholic and Othodox Faction. Now have discovered the Hashishin in the Unit Guide, I may consider playing the Moslem Faction, just to have these assassins on the field.

I have played
Civ2 and Test of Time
AoE,AoK and Conquerors
Civ3 and Play the World
StarWars:Galactic Battlegrounds
Medieval:Total War
Shogun:Total War (Borrowed for the interest)
Rise of Nations
Mediecal:Total War + Viking Invasion
Civ3 and Conquests

Have returned to playing MTW:VI, becuase no other game has the depth. A simply cheat like extending the game period will give more play time of the empire. However, I aways seen to accept the lesser victory of 60% conquered well before the the end date is reached, so this is probably of little value.

kiwitt

12-30-2003, 03:09

Note to Moderator: Please edit my Description to Cheating,Why not to do it To avoid any confusion

Gregoshi

12-30-2003, 04:08

Done

Interesting take on this subject: as I sit here, my son and nephew are in the next room playing PS2 games. These young kids today want every cheat code they can get and will play the game in whatever way they can to make it easy on them. For example, just a little while ago, they were playing the pro wrestling game Smackdown Shut Your Mouth. They didn't fight against each other. No that is too hard. To maximize their fun and minimize the challenge, my nephew played as a wrestler and my son played as the referee. The trick here is that this allowed both of them to beat up on the AI wrestler together - no contest and lots of fun taking turns making sure the AI wrestler never has kids. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif Of course, I've been making fun of them and calling them lamers since then, but they don't care, they just laugh. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Kids I just hope they outgrow it 'cuz they'll be shocked and disappointed when they discover life doesn't have cheat codes. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri

12-30-2003, 04:14

Quote[/b] ]Kids I just hope they outgrow it 'cuz they'll be shocked and disappointed when they discover life doesn't have cheat codes.
A VERY TRUE fact of life... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flat.gif

kiwitt

12-30-2003, 04:16

Yes, Life doesn't have cheat codes. That will be my new Signature, if you don't mind.

However, for basic shoot'em ups e.g doom and what your kids play, it is good for unwinding. I had a PS1 Doom game, enabled God Mode and used fists to kill everything, whenever I had a hard day at work.

Otherwise, cheatmode really spoils a game. The designers and playtesters prior to release had good reasons for setting up the game as released and realism is one of them.

Voigtkampf

12-30-2003, 08:52

Why not to cheat? Because there is no fun and no honor in that… Cheating lowers your karma, big time.

Ja'chyra

12-30-2003, 10:47

Don't know about your Karma, but it is boring.

You need challenges in life like trying to explain to the wife why you didn't get home till three in the morning when you were only going out for one drink http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

Sun Tzui

12-30-2003, 10:58

Quote[/b] ]Cheating lowers your karma, big time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif Good thing I only cheat sometimes (do use .worksundays. sometimes, and cheat mostly at card games against my granny http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )

Quote[/b] ]like trying to explain to the wife why you didn't get home till three in the morning when you were only going out for one drink http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Boy do I know what you mean Ja'chyra Men of the world...UNITE http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Eastside Character

12-30-2003, 12:23

When I play this game I'm always looking for some fun - some challenge.
Cheating kills all the fun.
I don't cheat.
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.EC.

rasoforos

12-30-2003, 12:58

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ Dec. 29 2003,21:08)]I just hope they outgrow it 'cuz they'll be shocked and disappointed when they discover life doesn't have cheat codes. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
is that always the case? Playing 'i need a job' you can always type 'i went to school with your C.E.O' increase your chances to win http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri

12-30-2003, 13:47

Quote[/b] ]and cheat mostly at card games against my granny
You BAD, BAD boy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Quote[/b] ] Playing 'i need a job' you can always type 'i went to school with your C.E.O' increase your chances to win
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

There's always a bypass somewhere... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Voigtkampf

12-30-2003, 14:12

Quote[/b] (Ja'chyra @ Dec. 30 2003,03:47)]Don't know about your Karma, but it is boring.

You need challenges in life like trying to explain to the wife why you didn't get home till three in the morning when you were only going out for one drink http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
I don't know about boring, but challenges are one thing, suicide another…

And instant karma gets you as well…

Gregoshi

12-30-2003, 16:45

Quote[/b] (rasoforos @ Dec. 30 2003,05:58)]is that always the case? Playing 'i need a job' you can always type 'i went to school with your C.E.O' increase your chances to win http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
True, but in most cases it eventually catches up with you and the stakes are higher than in a game - you end up either jobless, friendless, in prison, dead, or, worst of all, on the Jerry Springer Show.

rasoforos

12-30-2003, 16:48

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ Dec. 30 2003,09:45)]
Quote[/b] (rasoforos @ Dec. 30 2003,05:58)]is that always the case? Playing 'i need a job' you can always type 'i went to school with your C.E.O' increase your chances to win http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
True, but in most cases it eventually catches up with you and the stakes are higher than in a game - you end up either jobless, friendless, in prison, dead, or, worst of all, on the Jerry Springer Show.
ah...you can always use the 'blame somebody else' cheat in this case...

see? see? i m good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Ashen

12-30-2003, 18:28

Welcome to the Jerry Springer Show. Today, we have a young man with a severe problem..he believes that Cheat codes from games have made him cheat on all his girlfriends, exams, and so on. Lets bring him on

*on walks sun Tzui*

Jerry - So Sun, YOu cheat at everything? where did it start?

Sun Tzui - With medieval, Total war, a PC game. And I uh, used to cheat at Card games with my grandmother

Jerry - You're going straight to hell son http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

*crowd goes wild*

You get the point http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

(And no offence ment sun, tis just a funny. coughCHEATERcough http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )

Aymar de Bois Mauri

12-30-2003, 19:13

Quote[/b] ]or, worst of all, on the Jerry Springer Show.

ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

That is trully the WORST of all nightmares http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

kiwitt

12-30-2003, 19:25

Thanks guys. This thread response made me feel real welcome.

PseRamesses

12-30-2003, 19:31

Personally I bought this game for the challenge and difficulty. I actually gets inspired when the AI pulls a smart move on me and try to learn from it. I have never used cheats in MTW. I tried it on AoE to get a lasertruck (he,he) but after the initial 5 minutes of laughter I got... you got it bored What ya´ll do with your games is your business. I´m just speaking for me, myself and I. Take care fellas
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[HWK]Elv

01-22-2004, 22:25

Hi guys,

Only just come back to MTW now I can get the Nap mod. Went to Cossacks so that I could get the troops I really like.

OK that's the introduction over.

My son and I play strategy battles and all games we have to buy in two's. Recently he tried the cheat just to see if it works. Unfortunately he cannot get it off his campaign games now.

How does he play a campaign without 'Badgerbunny' now that he has used it in one of his campaigns please?

As a slight asside: Can anyone tell me where I can get some battles for the Nap mod. Our battles are all at http://thehawks.50megs.com but they are all for the Cossacks games I'm affraid.

Main thing is that he wants to get 'badgerbunny' off but can't. Can anyone help please?

Hawk Elv.

Dillinger

01-22-2004, 22:39

I always us the .matteosartori. cheat, as I can't stand the idea that medieval rulers really were that ignorant of their surroundings. That and I hate bad surprises. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-bandana.gif

And what somebody does with the game that they bought is, and should not bother you.

Basileus

01-22-2004, 23:28

i hate to cheat my self, i found my self doing it on a few occasions with the 56year bug etc, i think if you cheat you will eventualy lose intresst in the game.

Gregoshi

01-23-2004, 05:57

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Welcome to the Org [HWK]Elv.

I don't recall a cheat that turns off cheats. Has your son tried typing in .badgerbunny. again? Maybe it alternates off and on with each use (but I doubt it). Last suggestion would be to go back to a save before the cheat was turned on. My real last suggestion is to start a new campaign.

Lord Of Storms can answer your question about the Nap mod.

MuseRulez

01-24-2004, 23:02

I cheat, but only .matteosartori. or .viagra. Only use it to have a bit more fun. (It's nice to win you see) I played without cheats too. The game is better that way though

P.S. I LOVE the spell check http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Drewman

01-25-2004, 00:04

The only cheats I have used:

.matteosartori. Because I love to watch the AI beat up on itself. I also played Eurpoa Universalis II and some players would choose an isolated factions and then set the game on high speed just to watch the AI nations attack and counterattack.

.unfreeze. Only once, because in 38 years my King would not have a single heir and I didn't want to lose because of something arbitrary like that. In reality, kingdoms always had numerous potential heirs, even if they came from another branch of the family.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

BDC

01-25-2004, 00:35

Quote[/b] (Drewman @ Jan. 24 2004,23:04)]The only cheats I have used:

.matteosartori. Because I love to watch the AI beat up on itself. I also played Eurpoa Universalis II and some players would choose an isolated factions and then set the game on high speed just to watch the AI nations attack and counterattack.

.unfreeze. Only once, because in 38 years my King would not have a single heir and I didn't want to lose because of something arbitrary like that. In reality, kingdoms always had numerous potential heirs, even if they came from another branch of the family.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif
Ditto. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

Alexandr III. Biges

01-25-2004, 18:38

I'm sure, there ARE cases, when cheating is more than useful.

1) I want to see ENTIRE MAP
MTW, Civilizatin series etc. ... At least to gain some knowledge 'bout the world from time to time.

2) Oh my I forgot to move that damned army, because my sister keems talking to me 'bout blah, blah...
To correct this, I have to...

These are not possile in MTW: (as to my knowledge)

3) AI is so stupid, stupid, I'll give him some $ etc.

4) My case: New hw config. The battle, MTW keeps locking, crashing, I simply do not wnat to play that damned battle for tenth time, because I always win it, I'd more than happy to win/sive time using cheats.

Mummer

01-25-2004, 20:29

Quote[/b] (Drewman @ Jan. 24 2004,18:04)]I also played Eurpoa Universalis II and some players would choose an isolated factions and then set the game on high speed just to watch the AI nations attack and counterattack.
Yes Three cheers for Paradox and the Europa Universalis series Wooo Wooo Wooo Along with M:TW, EU and EUII are may all time, number one, top of the list, favorite games.

Anyway... I used to always use the .matteosartori. cheat, but I got tired of the turn changes for the later games taking half an hour because I could see every movement of every nation in the game... tedious, I can't stand that now

Goofball

01-31-2004, 01:13

I think a little dose of reality is needed for some, please see below for a definition of the word cheat:

Cheat

v. cheat·ed, cheat·ing, cheats
v. tr.
1.To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
2.To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
3.To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
To elude; escape: cheat death.

It is impossible to cheat in a game where your opponent is the AI. The AI has no feelings and will experience no sense of loss when you defeat it, honestly or otherwise. In order for you to be cheating, you have to be taking action that causes harm to someone else. I hate to break this to some of the posters, but your computer is not alive.

While I agree wholeheartedly that making the game easier on yourself only leads to boredom, anyone who really thinks you will incur bad karma for it needs to get out of the house a little more, IMHO... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

Gregoshi

01-31-2004, 06:00

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Welcome aboard Goofball. Like the name. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

To address your point, in the case of the SP game, the misleading and deception is on yourself, not the AI. Though anyone who would fool themselves this way probably deserves it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Gward

01-31-2004, 10:03

Cheat? I hate cheat http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Poor AI beating up days by days. I can't withdrew his last hope. If you want a fun, then go to easy difficulty. I prefer give him the advantage. Expert and +1 valour for his units - it's my choice.

Not cheat, fine tune. Eto po nashemy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif

mikey

01-31-2004, 20:41

I have never cheated at this game and the last time i think i cheated at any game was to finish dark forces ... i think

Quessa

01-31-2004, 21:09

Well, I've cheated once by using the Campaign Map reveal cheat matteosartori while studying the AI behaviour (so not really cheating). Last game I actually cheated in was probably the Dark Forces II (excellent FPS series BTW) when I was jammed in that first Imperial Compound level (one with the tall tower) and ironically in the same place where Kyle says This door is jammed.

makkyo

01-31-2004, 22:18

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif
That explains it all

But seriously here, cheating on a game and/or modifying it is like playing god, you just can't do that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Arciel

09-06-2006, 04:10

professorspatula

09-06-2006, 17:28

Ah cheating in MTW.

Give yourself 1,000,000 florins, or cornflakes, whatever currency you need to buy lots of things in MTW. When have so much, you don't care about the details.

Stick on the workonsundays cheat. Build things fast.

Keep building and expanding a bit, and build some more.

Treat yourself to another 1,000,000 cornflakes if you've got through them already - you're worth it.

Take over several provences, perhaps weakening a few foes, and letting some others expand.

After about 60 years, you want a nice sized high-tec empire that is untouchable. Train loads of expensive knights so the AI won't be able to go across your borders without breaking down in tears and running home as soon as it sees your impressive god-like forces.

Give yourself more free florins. If people ask where it is coming from, tell them god gave it to you for reward for your faith and loyalty to the church. Those religious idiots will believe anything.

Expand your empire a bit more and make sure you control the seas with about 60 ships.

When your empire looks large and completely unstoppable, preferably after a hundred years or so, switch control of your faction to some snivelling weak neighbour/enemy.

BY THE GODS, A TWIST OF FATE HAS LEFT YOU UP POOP CREEK WITHOUT A PADDLE! Larks, god has finally punished you for cheating!

Now you have a real fight on your hands to stop the giant monster you created from wiping you out. Secure the keeps, stockpile the food, it's going to be a long hard fight!*

*Although my experience shows the AI will turn your monster into a crippled, bankrupt and rebellion filled state before you can hit 'End Turn' more than a couple of times. Interesting when it doesn't though.

Martok

09-06-2006, 23:10

Speaking of cheats, I noticed that the .matteosartori. seems to be quite popular...What does it exactly do and how can one activate it? Don't take it the wrong way, I don't cheat in my games as cheating just shortens the game's lifetime.....
The ".matteosartori." code reveals the whole map to you. You can't see what specific units are in each province, but the code does allow you to see where all the faction leaders are and what generals are in each province (by right-clicking on them). More generally (and more importantly), it also lets you see which factions own which provinces. It's this last feature that makes the code so oft-used by MTW players. A lot of us like to activate .matteosartori. to keep track of how other factions are doing and how powerful they are.

To activate it, simply type .matteosartori. when you're on the campaign map. To return to the normal "fog of war", just type .matteosartori. again.

SCRIBE

09-07-2006, 04:38

Martok

09-07-2006, 07:35

Speaking of cheating, what is this cheat Im hearing that you can control the turn of enemy factions in MTW? Forgot how the cheat goes, but I bet someone knows it. Care to share?
It has peaked my interests.
But I guess, being a cheat and all, it will tarnish your playing experience.
You're referring to the -ian switch, perhaps? I don't remember exactly how it works (never used it myself), but it does allow you to switch to a different faction. I don't know if using the code is considered "cheating" per se (although I can see where it could be abused). A lot of players use -ian to jump to a different faction for the fun of it--particularly to try and reverse the fortunes of a faction that isn't doing so well.

Arciel

09-07-2006, 11:29

So, it reveals the whole map?? That's quite interesting to know...

naut

09-07-2006, 13:00

Also if you use the -ian code and press "G" ingame it toggles the "fog of war" on and off.

professorspatula

09-07-2006, 14:54

You use the number keys 1 to 0 to change factions, and SHIFT + 1 to 0 to change to some other factions. Although there's a few factions I can't swap to using that, usually ones that emerge later in the campaign - if anyone knows how to swap to them, let me know.

You have to be careful when pressing buttons with the -ian switch on though. If you're not careful you end up having the AI autoplay your turns and you're frantically trying to remember which key stops it!

I occasionally swap faction mid campaign just to see how all the AI factions are going. It's a pity you can't just give them a bonus 10,000 florins instead of a 1,000,000 though, as a little boost to a weak faction before switching back to your own faction would keep things interesting. Although really the AI has no sense of balance sheets and would just waste the money on buildings or units and still end up bankrupt when the money runs out.

AntiochusIII

09-08-2006, 02:25

Wow, I just realized what an amazing Necromancy this is! First-class, the Order of the Dustmen! 0_0

Speaking of MTW cheating, I suggest anyone to be very wary of these particular two codes:

.badgerbunny. for permanently screwing up your game.

.worksundays. which is fun for a while (who wouldn't like to have your enemies in for a nasty surprise when your little empty province comes up the next year with a fort, another next year with a keep, and the third year a God-knows-what stone castle!?), but gets boring after a hundred years of tech rush. It also have the side effect of making your governors really bad when you ran out of things to build in a particular province. They get all sorts of terrible, terrible traits for sitting around doing nothing.

naut

09-08-2006, 08:08

SCRIBE

09-15-2006, 03:40

.worksundays. which is fun for a while (who wouldn't like to have your enemies in for a nasty surprise when your little empty province comes up the next year with a fort, another next year with a keep, and the third year a God-knows-what stone castle!?), but gets boring after a hundred years of tech rush. It also have the side effect of making your governors really bad when you ran out of things to build in a particular province. They get all sorts of terrible, terrible traits for sitting around doing nothing.

Really eh? ~:eek:

I did not know that. I just thought that my generals/governors were just turning out to be a bunch of :furious3: just cause the computer randomly generated it to their traits. It mostly happens to my established provinces in MTW. Well it is a good point.
I think I might try another Byzantine campaign in the future, in the early era, except it will be hard setting.

Anyways, I read on gamefaqs.com that u have to go to some file for MTW and put -ian somewhere there, that true?
And can you reverse that action?

SCRIBE

09-15-2006, 03:43

Which reminds me, I teched rush my Byzantine pals, and my beginning prov. ended up with a virtue/viced filled governor. They were pretty good guys when it comes to battles and acumen, but they are greedy sonavaguns.
Oh well, traits like something something minus 10% isnt all that bad when their acumen is top of the line. :2thumbsup:

Samurai Waki

09-15-2006, 07:25

Arciel

09-16-2006, 03:20

I use .matteosartori.

I also have used .unfreeze. at least a few times, played as the Turks in a campaign, my King bred like a rabbit. He died, the oldest heir inheirited the throne, no sons. younger brother got the throne, died without any successors.
Youngest (at a mere 54 years old) Finally got the throne, I had to use .unfreeze. until I could get him just 1 **** Heir.

Yeah, I hate that too....By the way, does Viking Invasion really have this bug that your kings die at 56?? And that your generals periodically die of old age??

Geezer57

09-16-2006, 04:34

Viking Invasion v2.00 (when it first came out) had the 56 year old leader death bug. That was fixed with the v2.01 patch.

Unless you've added the "-greengenerals" switch to your M-TW icon, the Generals "die" of old age, but are immediately replaced by an identical one with only a name change. They're essentially immortal, for game purposes.