What are the consequences?

[travh20]

Greetings fellows, my first time. I had a question regarding crusades. I am playing as the hungarians, and a French crusade wanted to pass through Hungary, I grew sick of allowing them through on previous games, and depleting all my foces, so I said next time I would not let them. SO the French try to come through, I say no, so we go at it. I kick the french butt, so what happens now? Am I at war with them and the pope? am I excommunicated? have I started a chain reaction that will snowball into the doom of my blossoming country? Will saying no to the crusade stop any further crusades from trying to come throug my territory?

[MiniKiller]

Usually when I say no thats the end of it but if they attack and u fight back you may be excamunicated.

[kiwitt]

And they will also keep coming through.

[travh20]

cool , thanks guys. So, is there any deterent to crusades, so they wont want to come through your land? or do u just have to deal with them? I guess I could just fight em all off, but tht would defeat the purpouse of the crusade I guess. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flat.gif

[kiwitt]

I have found crusades love provinces with big stacks, and collect lots of new soldiers. Spread your units about your provinces if you can to minimise losses.

[Court Jester]

You should have been excommunicated immediately after you refused entry to the crusader stack -- I always receive a bad boy notice from il Papa. Usually, soon thereafter I am also attacked by other Catholic nations.

At a certain point in the game, it becomes tiresome having those crusader armies entering your lands and then sitting in place for turns at a time, sucking up your best units from that province. So eventually, when you're feeling strong enough (or when you're at war with everyone else anyway), you have to refuse. The crusading army repeatedly attacks until it's destroyed or it whithers. My advice is to inflict some pain on the faction which sent the crusading army, perhaps taking a province or two if possible, then try to make peace with them and the Pope. If not you'll have to wait till the Pope dies, or assassinate the geezer.

[Oaty]

Just fill there crusade with peasant units. Thats what I always do, and since then the A.I has never camped in my provinces. Yes you can put units in another factions crusade if you want

[Court Jester]

Quote[/b] (oaty @ Dec. 30 2003,18:04)]Just fill there crusade with peasant units. Thats what I always do, and since then the A.I has never camped in my provinces. Yes you can put units in another factions crusade if you want
Really? How does that work? Do you dump in the units when they're in a neighbouring province, and if so, how do you get them in without attacking your neighbour by entering his province? And how many of your peasants does it take to satiate the other faction's crusader stack?

[The_Emperor]

The best way to deal with those troublesome Crusaders later on in the game (when you have a good navy and Intelligence network) is to invade the source province of the Crusade that contains the Chapter House.

From what I remember you don't have to capture the castle, just invading the province and besieging the garisson has been enough to eliminate markers in some of my games.

The Crusade is then instantly failed, and with luck the sudden loss of influence will kick start a civil war in the crusader faction.

Of course Mr Pope would have something to say about your attitude... If he's a problem, simply reform the Papacy in the usual way

But its a good way to deal with your enemies, and with luck you may be able to dissolve a potentially trouble some Crusade before it hits your lands

[Voigtkampf]

Welcome to the Org, Pak_40_Gunner[11b]

Either fight off the crusading army or retreat your valuable units from the province they are about to pass through. Crusade must move in determined direction, so you’ll be able to see where they will come through next. You won’t be excommunicated if you attack the crusade, but you will be in war with the faction that has send that army.

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (Pak_40_Gunner[11b] @ Dec. 30 2003,15:33)]Greetings fellows, my first time. I had a question regarding crusades. I am playing as the hungarians, and a French crusade wanted to pass through Hungary, I grew sick of allowing them through on previous games, and depleting all my foces, so I said next time I would not let them. SO the French try to come through, I say no, so we go at it. I kick the french butt, so what happens now? Am I at war with them and the pope? am I excommunicated? have I started a chain reaction that will snowball into the doom of my blossoming country? Will saying no to the crusade stop any further crusades from trying to come throug my territory?
I get excommunicated every time I don´t allow a crusade to pass. Normally I shuffle my troops around so that the crusade can´t get to it. If they are my ally, and I want to help and I´m about to launch a crusade in the near future, I put stacks with units I don´t want in the same province as the crusade to give them some cannon fodder. This way they can plow their way in front of me... he he

[avarin]

Ever notice the crusade usually sucks up your best untitled commander Say goodbye to that 4-star general you had leading your stack. I try to grin and bear it, after all if the crusaders like to stay a while it works against them. And its an opportunity to build newer and better troops. Some of the factions are more out of the way for crusades to pass through. I think Italy is one of the worst, however England is crusade free for me most of the time.

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[katar]

if you play a catholic faction, and you block a crusade, you are basically going up against the pope, this leads to automatic excommunication.

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (katar @ Dec. 31 2003,03:58)]if you play a catholic faction, and you block a crusade, you are basically going up against the pope, this leads to automatic excommunication.
Never happened to me and I’m a regular excomm when I play HRE… It hasn’t happen to me not once as afar as I can remember... Perhaps it's up to diffrent versions of M:TW?

[Red Peasant]

If it is a strategically important province then you will obviously need to keep good troops there in large amounts. I've noticed that if your province has very little or zero zeal then the Crusaders get very few or no troops, and they can pass through safely and quickly onto richer pickings from other factions.