assassinating kings

[Ikken Hisatsu]

I've noticed that after I have assassinated a king with no heir, the computer often produces another king anyway, and sometimes a civil war. so my theory is that it just goes through every general that has royal blood, and sometimes if two are equally powerful and one has low loyalty, a civil war ensues. anyone know whats going on here? Is this because the computer tends to throw away its princes as if they were normal units?

[Jacque Schtrapp]

It is also possible that the king had an heir who matured the same turn you actually assassinated him. Therefore, when you dropped the assassin on him you would get the ne heirs message and the next turn when the assassin does his dirty deed the heir would turn 16 and come of age. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[o_loompah_the_delayer]

Also if the faction is HRE killing of the king doesnt work as a general is elected. But it is possible to eliminate factions through assasins (except Papals).

[Ikken Hisatsu]

Quote[/b] (Jacque Schtrapp @ Jan. 02 2004,10:09)]It is also possible that the king had an heir who matured the same turn you actually assassinated him. Therefore, when you dropped the assassin on him you would get the ne heirs message and the next turn when the assassin does his dirty deed the heir would turn 16 and come of age. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
5 times in a row? I think the chances of that are pretty damn slim http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Phatose]

If that happened 5 times in a row, then it was the HRE, no doubt. Elections make eliminating the HRE through assasination pretty darned impossible.

[danielrech]

Is there any clear rule that determines what general will be choosen?

In my current game with the HRE I have only one heir and he is relatively old aready, so I'm afraid he won't have time to get sons.

If I knew the rule, I could make sure that a general with good stats would be elected...

[TheSilverKnight]

Quote[/b] (danielrech @ Jan. 02 2004,21:28)]Is there any clear rule that determines what general will be choosen?

In my current game with the HRE I have only one heir and he is relatively old aready, so I'm afraid he won't have time to get sons.

If I knew the rule, I could make sure that a general with good stats would be elected...
Germans don't have to have legitimate heirs, I think the Emperor is chosen amongst the strongest generals.

[danielrech]

Quote[/b] (TheSilverKnight @ Jan. 02 2004,18:36)]
Quote[/b] (danielrech @ Jan. 02 2004,21:28)]Is there any clear rule that determines what general will be choosen?

In my current game with the HRE I have only one heir and he is relatively old aready, so I'm afraid he won't have time to get sons.

If I knew the rule, I could make sure that a general with good stats would be elected...
Germans don't have to have legitimate heirs, I think the Emperor is chosen amongst the strongest generals.
I know that, that's why I have asked:

Is there any clear rule that determines what general will be choosen?

[Voigtkampf]

A good question, one I couldn’t verify myself until now... I fear it’s random, and that in that manner you end up with a poor general, while higher ranking officers don’t get elected...
What about the late king’s brothers? I always suspected that they also get a share of throne when all the heirs are gone along with the king? Never had the actual experience where I could tell for sure, because I didn't pay much attention to that, but it seems that way to me...

[Phatose]

The current ruler's brother are still listed as heirs. They don't become normal generals until a nephew inherits the throne. They just come in line after the current king's children.

I -think- the order of succession is:

1) current king's oldest child
2) Current king's other children
3) Nephews (you'll only see these if your king inherited from a brother, who had heirs but died before they came of age)
4) Younger brothers of the current king.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

Quote[/b] (Phatose @ Jan. 02 2004,16:41)]If that happened 5 times in a row, then it was the HRE, no doubt. Elections make eliminating the HRE through assasination pretty darned impossible.
i think i can tell whether it was the HRE or not actually.

[Phatose]

No offense intended. But you didn't actually say which faction it was.

[Voigtkampf]

Well, it is remarkable that, no matter how good you control your breeding line, at the crucial moment you get a king with 3 influence and a civil war on the menu…

[Basileus]

Quote[/b] (danielrech @ Jan. 02 2004,21:41)]
Quote[/b] (TheSilverKnight @ Jan. 02 2004,18:36)]
Quote[/b] (danielrech @ Jan. 02 2004,21:28)]Is there any clear rule that determines what general will be choosen?

In my current game with the HRE I have only one heir and he is relatively old aready, so I'm afraid he won't have time to get sons.

If I knew the rule, I could make sure that a general with good stats would be elected...
Germans don't have to have legitimate heirs, I think the Emperor is chosen amongst the strongest generals.
I know that, that's why I have asked:

Is there any clear rule that determines what general will be choosen?
Ive played the HRE lots of times and the best general gets to be king/emprorer if there are no heirs to take over

[Voigtkampf]

Quote[/b] (Basileus @ Jan. 03 2004,09:37)]Ive played the HRE lots of times and the best general gets to be king/emprorer if there are no heirs to take over
I mostly play HRE and get stuck with a no-good king and a six star general that slays hundreds of Almo intruders with his own hands doesn't get the post… My call is random, big time.

[Guthwyn]

Ikken--

I have had a similar thing happen in a recent campaign, and I am sure it wasn't the HRE. The Spanish had conquered the Almohads and all of France. As the Turks, I had borders with them with the Italian territories I had conquered (that'll teach him to sink one of my Baggalas&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif).
Anyways, all of those big stacks of Spanish troops must of been costing him an awful lot, because the comp. wasn't spending any money to make improvements on the French provinces, even simple ones...like border forts. So I grabbed a small handful of Syrian assassins (man, those 5 star guys are SWEEEEEET)and dropped them on the king. BOOM Heir takes over. I try it again, and it gives the no heir message. BOOM King assassinated, heir takes over. Happened three more times that way.
While I cannot verify, I would bet that it is the no heirs message that is wrong, and not some sort of cheating by the AI. Assassination of the son must automatically put one of the uncles on the throne, without a message to indicate this.
I eventually elimated the fragile Spanish heirarchy, and reduced their faction to rebels after four assassinations or so. And with the English confined in Toulouse, and the French confined to Freisland, there was no chance of them re-emerging suddenly. It was a truly special moment to see all of Western Europe and Iberia defended by nothing but rebels, ripe for the picking. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Guthwyn

[danielrech]

Quote[/b] (Basileus @ Jan. 03 2004,06:37)]Ive played the HRE lots of times and the best general gets to be king/emprorer if there are no heirs to take over
So the general with the highest command will take over?

[TheSilverKnight]

Quote[/b] (danielrech @ Jan. 02 2004,21:41)]
Quote[/b] (TheSilverKnight @ Jan. 02 2004,18:36)]
Quote[/b] (danielrech @ Jan. 02 2004,21:28)]Is there any clear rule that determines what general will be choosen?

In my current game with the HRE I have only one heir and he is relatively old aready, so I'm afraid he won't have time to get sons.

If I knew the rule, I could make sure that a general with good stats would be elected...
Germans don't have to have legitimate heirs, I think the Emperor is chosen amongst the strongest generals.
I know that, that's why I have asked:

Is there any clear rule that determines what general will be choosen?
no clear rule, just that a very strong general is chosen if the Emperor has no heirs, a loyal one, with at least 1-2 command stars. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[danielrech]

Ok, thanks anyway... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif My king is 69 and his only son is 35 I think, but isn't married yet. I'm just too big right now, nobody accepts my marriage proposes.

The heir will probably marry in my own kingdom, but he can't have a mature heir before he is 51, obviously. This is considering that the old man dies right now and the heir marries in the first turn as king, which is somewhat a very optimistic preview.

They are really a good lineage, I don't want a general with poor stats (acumen, piety...) to sit in the throne.