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Guthwyn
01-03-2004, 18:07
If you are a player that regards the use of assassins as unsportsmanlike, you need read no further. I personally regard them as a whole lot of fun (almost as much fun as inquisitors), and since I play MTW to have fun, I drop them on enemy generals/kings like sprinkles on an ice cream cone. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
My favorite faction is the Turks, and it was with them that I noticed something. I typically have a fortress in Syria in order to produce the highest rank assassins (they come out rank 5). I also have a habit of assassinating the Mongol leader. I usually end up fighting the "first massive Mongol onslaught" anyways, but I prefer to control the chaos the Mongols produce.
Most notably, in my most recent game as the Turks, I was prepared both militarily and strategically for the appearance of the Mongols. My border with them was Georgia, with the Polish controling the expanses of the Steppes. Importantly, this was a GA game, and the Polish were beating me because of their conquests.
When the Mongols appeared, the Polish retreated from Khazar. The next turn, I sent in my best assassins. The Mongols attacked in Georgia, and I fended them off. The Mongols attacked Kiev and a couple of other Steppe provinces, the Polish retreated. My assassins failed. As I was reorganizing, I noticed the Mongols were taking a more aggressive stance towards me than the Poles, who seemed quite happy with their new borders. The Polish refused to counter attack. After a few more turns, I sent in another wave of assassins. This time, they succeeded, and the Mongols were reduced to rebels.
This is when I noticed a change in the AI behavior. The Poles no longer feared to attack the rebels, and the rebels pulled four out of five stacks out of Khazar in order to press the Poles further west. The rebels ignored me, because I was neutral to them, and attacked the Poles relentlessly.
They managed to significantly reduce the size of the Polish armies, while the Poles thinned out their ranks as well. About ten turns later, the Mongols re-emerged, but were no where near the threat they initially posed.
The peace brought about by eliminating the Mongols as a threat allowed me to concentrate my forces and conquer Iberia and Western Europe (which had been controlled by the Spanish, but was now all rebel, due to some rather "untimely deaths" in the Spanish royal line).
I suppose my longwinded point is this: He who contols the Old Man in the Mountains, controls the fate of the World Muah-hahahahahaha..ha.*cough* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Guthwyn

Revenant69
01-03-2004, 23:03
Ahhhh, the infamous Syrian assassins http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif

Yes I always gun for Syria whenever I play MTW, even if I am a catholic - Syria is too close to the crusade objectives to miss it, offers excellent assassins and has HUGE strategic location near some of the richest provinces in the game. All in all, not conquering this province can prove detrimental.

I tend to use assassins in defensive measures by killing off enemy agents. Sometimnes I do use them to knock off kings just beofre i invade to hopefully cause some loyalty issues by the introduction of a new king.

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Math Mathonwy
01-03-2004, 23:48
i often use assasins to bump off whole stacks of enemy royalty hehe, but the best are Grand Inquistors. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Red Harvest
01-04-2004, 07:11
A weak point of the AI has been that it won't stand and fight when it should. The AI has gotten better over time, but it still doesn't seem to have some of the deeper strategy understanding that would prompt it to fight battles rather than withdrawing.

You see this a lot with faction re-emergence. Four or five stacks re-emerging in a single province will face one stack or less in several other provinces. The AI will run from several invasions where the re-emerging faction sends in multistack forces. This results in some province swapping and worse yet, the AI fails to thin down the re-emerging factions numbers. The AI generals get "eager to retreat" vices. It isn't uncommon for this to cause a civil war in the armies of the retreating kingdom.

A human can contain the re-emerging masses of high level troops by using missile unit based defensive armies on high ground to thin the numbers of high end troops, then withdrawing the skirmishers to fight another day. This gives time for preparation of a powerful counterstrike in a later turn. Another thing the human will do is to attack multiple provinces at once to pin down the re-emerging AI armies and prevent them from continuing their marauding.

Voigtkampf
01-04-2004, 08:26
Quote[/b] ]The peace brought about by eliminating the Mongols as a threat allowed me to concentrate my forces and conquer Iberia and Western Europe (which had been controlled by the Spanish, but was now all rebel, due to some rather "untimely deaths" in the Spanish royal line).


Funny thing, the last time I saw that happen, it was happening to the Turks from my own homegrown and well-fed Spanish assassins…