Crusades with the danes

[mcveigh]

Can somebody help me with this one. Im trying to get a crusade with the danes but no succes. This is an catholic faction, innit? So why am i having probs?

[Sun Tzui]

I think the Danes are the only Catholic faction that can't launch crusades.
Been there, done that, had the same problem http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

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[Ashen]

You need to build a chapter house to launch a crusade.

/me reaches for manual

not much help..

Only catholic factions can launch crusades

hehe.

Im not sure of the exact build line to get a chapter house but im fairly sure you need a castle and a church at least

[mcveigh]

Can somebody point me to a technology tree of the danes?
Maybe it says there what buildings you need. Its was strange cause with the english i had no prob finding the crusades. But if the Danes cant go on crusades so be it.. Have to find someone else to play with.

[Ashen]

Found it.

Church and keep to build a chapter house.

Hope that helps http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[mbrasher1]

OK, only Catholics can start crusades, but it does not follow that EVERY Catholic power can crusade, and the Danes cannot. I think that the Hungarians and Poles also cannot, but I know that the Danes cannot.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Unless you MOD the game, the only factions that can launch Crusades are:

-English
-French
-HRE
-Italians
-Spanish
-Aragonese
-Sicilians

Not sure about the last 2, though... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

The Poles, Danish and Hungarians can't. Historically they didn't. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Monk]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Jan. 05 2004,10:28)]Unless you MOD the game, the only factions that can launch Crusades are:

-English
-French
-HRE
-Italians
-Spanish
-Aragonese
-Sicilians

Not sure about the last 2, though... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif


You're right, the Aragonese and the Sicilians can crusade. The Aragonese have a GA goal of Antioch btw
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[Sjakihata]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Jan. 05 2004,16:28)]Unless you MOD the game, the only factions that can launch Crusades are:

-English
-French
-HRE
-Italians
-Spanish
-Aragonese
-Sicilians

Not sure about the last 2, though... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

The Poles, Danish and Hungarians can't. Historically they didn't. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
That is wrong, at least about the danes. It is acknowledged (at least in my history classes and in danish universities) that Denmark launched a crusade against Estonia.

I dont know about the other two though.

[Suppiluliumas]

The Danes did indeed crusade in Estonia and elsewhere in the Baltic as well. The Hungarians also crusaded. Thier king had taken a crusader vow at the time Zara was taken from him by the 4th crusade if anyone remembers. Also, humorously enough, thier only historical figure in the game, Jan Hunyadi, was a famous crusader in rl. I would like to know whether or not the Poles ever participated in the Baltic crusades or in those against the Turks though. Can anyone enlighten me?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]It is acknowledged (at least in my history classes and in danish universities) that Denmark launched a crusade against Estonia.


Quote[/b] ]The Danes did indeed crusade in Estonia and elsewhere in the Baltic as well. The Hungarians also crusaded.
Sorry, my Lords http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Didn't know that.

But participating in a Crusade, doesn't mean organizing one as a national effort. I don't know the Hungarian level of envolvement...

[TheSilverKnight]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Jan. 05 2004,09:28)]Unless you MOD the game, the only factions that can launch Crusades are:

-English
-French
-HRE
-Italians
-Spanish
-Aragonese
-Sicilians

Not sure about the last 2, though... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

The Poles, Danish and Hungarians can't. Historically they didn't. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Hungarians can. And they did, but in the late 1300's, in the Balkan territories

[Sjakihata]

Quote[/b] ]Sorry, my Lords

No need to apologize http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

You just became smarter http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Eastside Character]

Quote[/b] (Suppiluliumas @ Jan. 05 2004,16:10)]I would like to know whether or not the Poles ever participated in the Baltic crusades or in those against the Turks though. Can anyone enlighten me?
Poles never launched their own crusades, nor they participated in baltic crusades. Some of the polish knights participated in hungarian crusades tho.

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.EC.

[Suppiluliumas]

Hmm, I guess I'll leave the Poles the way they are when I mod then. Thanks.

[Loki]

The Danes indeed whole heartedly crusaded. I have often thought that this (NOT giving the danes the ability to form a crusade)is a bit of an oversite AND a handicap to this faction.

FWIW, anyone wanting a fairly detailed and not at all boring (compared to most history books) account of the crusades in general and specifically about the Scandinavian contingents activities in the crusades read Iron Men and Saints by Charles Lamb. I thought one of the most interesting parts of the book was the explanation of just exactly why the whole mess got started in the first place.

Also FWIW, anyone who enjoys playing any of the Moslem factions might also enjoy another book by the same author (sort of written from the other side of the battle field as it were) called The Flame of Islam.

Both books are poo poo'ed by serious historians, because they are written in a flowery and romantic fashion, (almost read like a novel) but I have found that there is a WEALTH of first person sources and contemporary scholars that are quoted and noted.

Anyways, I vote for a Danish crusade capability. Several of you have mentioned the possibilty of modding it so. Could anyone please elaborate. I'm a n00by around here and can't ask this question in the appropriate forum (unless someone want's to promote me HINT HINT&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Several of you have mentioned the possibilty of modding it so. Could anyone please elaborate.
Sure. It's possible to allow the training of Crusades to other factions, even Muslims if you want... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Use the Gnome Editor 2.0 available in the Downloads page of the ORG. This program organises the MTW txt data files in Excel-style spreadsheets.

Each line concerns a building (CRUSADER_BUILD_PROD13.txt) or unit (CRUSADERS_UNIT_PROD11.txt). Each column a characteristic of the building or unit.

But, before all, BACKUP the original files

You just have to make some alterations to the CRUSADER_BUILD_PROD13.txt to allow other catholic factions to build Chapter_House.

After that you have to change units in the file CRUSADERS_UNIT_PROD11.txt to allow a specific Crusader unit for that faction.

These files are on the Medieval root directory.

But you can search the MOD's page in the ORG, to see if there is one to your liking. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

Hope I've been of some assistance... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Loki]

Most Helpfull

Thank you Prince Aymar

Your Faithful Servant
Loki

[mcveigh]

Thx lads... Ill start playing another country/faction before ill mod the game.

[Damianos_sophotatos]

Hi

Im a bit hazy about the date but I think Hungary Launched a crusade against the Turks around 14oo. Sultan Murad ambushed them and they didnt get very far.

Its a shame- hungary would have been good to crusade with http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif

[gaelic cowboy]

A polish unit the brotherhood of the sword is mentioned in the text files of the game apparently they were an order that crusaded in livonia or lithunia for the bishop of riga or was it warsaw. It was never put into the game.
They were eventually absorbed in to the teutonic order so that's probally why they can't crusade. Also it's probally been done to balance the game there are too many rebell provinces to the east of denmark poland and hungary crusade's would give them a huge advantage in expansion as another faction would not be able to refuse them.