Undesiderable Member.........

[Shurikenjitsu]

Hello Everybody,

I'm writing this 'cause yesterday night there was in the foyer a player named XXi_RAPAX_Caligolo_gs
That is not a member of our Clan, I tried to convince him to change it but with no results. Is point of view is that we copied his name and this is a revenge for (there is Caligola in our Clan).
I told him we never copied a name or did something to hurt someone intentionally, that there are also other people having name like ours (for example several Spartaco or Caesar) and this is going to be more while RTW is coming out, so no complain about it, but to copy a Clan name is unacceptable http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/argue.gif .
A friend told me to post here and ask to have him banned.
Is there something else that could be done in such cases?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions

XXI_RAPAX_Brutus

[SPQR Caligula]

Of all the names in all the world you had to pick Caligola, if you dont like being copied then dont copy others, a member of your clan wouldnt happen to be the person who decided to copy the SPQR clan name a while back, RAPAX seem to have copied a few other things from the SPQR clan to.

You seem to think that you should be allowed to copy other peoples names then have them banned, this seems to me to be a bit of a self important opinion.

I have been using this name for eight years, should I change my name to accommodate you, and if I did change my name will you copy my new name to, or will some one else.

What other names will we see in RAPAX, maybe you will have a, XX1 RAPAX Kumas, XX1 RAPAX Lamp or a XX1 RAPAX Megyarkhan and then claim that you didnt copy them.

RAPAX have copied and now RAPAX are being copied.


........................... Cali


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[Nigel]

hmmm, I dont really want to get involved in a clan dispute. But I think there is a partial misunderstanding here.

The way I read shurikenjutzu's post he is not complaining about a second Caligula. Historical names beeing what they are, there will always be more than one Caligula, Brutus or Nigel around in the world. Peoples names, unless they are very exotic, will always be multiple.

Shurikenjutzu's issue seems to be with the fact that someone is using a clan name that is the same as his clan's. Now I don't know if there happen to be two clans of the same name around. But if someone is pretending to belong to a certain clan and in fact is not, that would certainly be a fraud and something should be done about it.

Well, as I said, I have no intention to get involved in a clan dispute, but just hope to clear up a misunderstanding.

[LRossaRikimaru]

i agree with Nigel.
Shuri don't want the name RAPAX being use by a fake gentleman. Caligula is an historical roman imperator so is pretty easy to be double or triple in the foyer.

See u.

[Shurikenjitsu]

Cali...

If we hurted you in some way, then why you don't come and say it? The way you acted is just offensive, why not discuss first? You are saying we copied from SPQR other things??? Please explain in details, we look to be differents from others when possible, so we never copy, but if there is something we doubled unintentionally, then let me know.
As Nigel and Riki explained the problem is not the name, but the Clan name. We started as Brutus, Cronos and Spartaco, after us other people choosed Spartaco/Spartacus as name, but we didn't complain for, because they were not using the XXI RAPAX. But if you use the Clan name, then people could think you are part of our Clan, and that is not acceptable.
This mean to me that there could be an SPQR Brutus, but you will sure not accept someone enter as an SPQR_Caligolo on the foyer, I hope this can explain you.

Brutus

[SPQR Caligula]

I did try to discus this with caligola and he swore at me, caligola has now swore at me on several occasions, im not that keen being mistaken for some one who swears, if you visit my site at www.rome-total-war.com and go to the links page, then go to the link ancient rome and search in the list there you will find the link XX1 RAPAX, XX1 RAPAX is also a historical name just like Caligula. In fact the link on my site XX1 RAPAX was on my site a long time before you started the XX1 RAPAX clan. The XX1 RAPAX link was on my site before Activision announced Rome Total War.

I really dont want to be having this conversation with you, I really dont want to have any thing to do with you, I would much rather you left me alone, unfortunately you wont leave me alone and I find myself having to have this conversation and be confused with some one called caligola, I haven't got the time for all this nonsense,

Can you please point out the other duplicate names on Total War, I have only seen one, there doesn't seem to be any rule on duplicating names on Total War and I expect there will be a huge number of new players coming on to Total War when RTW is launched when these new players start duplicating names you cant say it wasnt you that started it.

Its not me your hurting, its the game, I can see that there seems to be a bias of opinion in your favour here and if these people arnt posting in your support because they already know you then I can only imagine that they cant be in possession of all the facts.

As for this situation of banning people from playing Total War on line for duplicating clan names, when you purchase a product if you are going to be banned from using part of this product then it is up to the manufacturer to give you this information in advance, no where on the Total War packaging does it say this, this is a matter for trading standards to take up with Activision and if the need arises I will take this matter up with trading standards.

So we are left with the situation I am being mistaken for RAPAX Caligola and in your opinion although I have been using this name for eight years I have to either change my name or let the situation continue.


Could I please draw your attention to this post, posted here on the ORG some time ago, is this man one of the RAPAX clan members.




Posted: Feb. 12 2003,16:53


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Hi all i got an email today from SPQR Caligula about a guy who has started his own spqr site and expects the existing spqr to just give up their name and honour.

naturaly we held talks with him and this is what has happened:

.he says hes italian so its his birth right?
.Hes taken media from our site and used it on his
.He has refused all attempts to settle this by a merging of the two clans
.He claims not to speak english to avoid talks but for sum reason has no problem talking it when he tries to justify his right to take our clans name

I know several clans and friends have alrdy given our spqr full support and wish us luck but i thought just posting this on the org would save any confusion any1 might encounter.

In my opinion our terms should be he either changes his clans name by adding a few words about his clan or sumthing or he just stops being gay and trie not to gain respect from userping an alrdy well established clans.

SPQR__Knight_Yellow posting for all SPQR members and friends




...............................Cali

[SPQR Caligula]

I think the word offensive might be more appropriately applied to the foul language used by RAPAX Caligola, Im sure LRossaRikimaru would agree with me on this point, even if im not Italian.


......................Cali



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[SPQR Caligula]

I should also add, I haven't got a problem with any one copying me at all, XX1 RAPAX Caligola has been about for a few months, no where have I posted or complained about his use of the name Caligola, until now and only now because RAPAX have been so incensed by someone using the RAPAX name, I will however reserve the right to copy any one that copies me and I think that anyone who plays TW on line should have the same right.

I am quite interested in this threat of being banned from playing TW on line and I would like to obtain the name of the member of staff at Activision who is banning people, I would also like a list of all the people who have been banned and for what reason, is this ban being imposed by way of an IP address, serial number or by name.


......................Cali

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[Shurikenjitsu]

Cali....

I'm one of the founder of XXI RAPAX Clan. Caligola is our member just from 2 months about. We choosed this name for the clan just looking on the internet on Roman Legios name. I've never been at your site until today, and never seen that link, even today. I'll have a look next time. Anyway if you have a link that brings to XXI RAPAX Legio, that doesn't mean that name is copyrighted by you.
Regarding your post, at the time your friend posted that topic (12 Feb 2003) we (I mean me and other Rapax Founders) were not playing with Medieval online yet. So I don't know who you were talking about.
You can be mistaken for XXI RAPAX Caligola only if you come and play as "XXi_RAPAX_Caligolo_gs" as you did last time. Otherwise there are no mistakes.
You said my clanmate Caligola used a foul language to you, I'm gonna check this and ask him, but I don't believe it at the moment, if someone else know this has happen please let me know.

XXI RAPAX Brutus

[SPQR Caligula]

Ok Brutus, it seems to me we are in total agreement here and I cant see why we all cant be friends, I agree with you about the copyright issues how can I copyright a historical name, of course I cant, but then neither can you, whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Its no good you trying to make up all theres rules and impose them on everyone else while making yourself exempt from the same rules, im not the one complaining here you are, its not as if im trying to make up rules and impose them on you, it seems to me that this name issue is something that is done by mutual agreement with other members of the TW community and I cant see why we cant come to a mutual agreement here, im not bothered if RAPAX Caligola wants to use that name, however you seem to be a little distressed if I use the name RAPAX, now so far you can only suggest that I have to give in to your demands because your Italian buddies are supporting you, I would like to suggest a different approach, a bit of give and take on both sides, you stop using my name and I will stop using your name, if you go to the ancient Rome link on my site you will see a roman names link there you will find a whole plethora of roman names to choose from, as part of this agreement I will support you if others try to copy your name, im not that fussed when others copy my names a lot are already doing so, but as with you and RAPAX if someone else uses my name then I reserve the right to use theres.

Now if you can see other ways to resolve this matter, other than, I cant use your name but you can use mine, I would be glad to hear them.


................Cali

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[Knight_Yellow]

people dont own names.



as far as im concerned any1 can use KY as a name.........


but they wont becuase it has no meaning or historical decent.


If you pick classical or popular names a flame war will always follow.

[Shurikenjitsu]

Ok Cali,

Then your point is:

If someone use my personal name, I'm aloud to use your Clan name. I believe that is not fair and not justified.
For your informations my italian buddies are not supporting me here, and they don't know yet about this topic.
I invite everyone in the org explain his opinion.
If the comunity believe that normal name should not be copied, and that in that case people is aloud to copy Clan name, than I will consider your proposal.

On a separate note I was impressed by the link on your site, it seems you have more stuffs about Roma and Roman Times then in my house http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
I didn't find the link to XXI RAPAX, but I'm sure it's there, just I didn't have enough time.
I'm very sad to had such discussion to someone the seems love romans like me, but anyway I believe there should be no limits coping normal names (of course we always prefere to be the only one&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif, and on other end should not be aloud to copy Clan name.

XXI RAPAX Brutus

[SPQR Caligula]

Hi Yellow.



Brutus, flattery will get you absolutely everywhere with me, im so pleased you were impressed by my site, I haven't been working on it much recently im a bit busy and I have another .com im working on when I do get the time, have RAPAX got a site ?, it would be nice to see it.


SPQR Caligula V.C.

[Shurikenjitsu]

Caligula....To say I was impressed doesn't explain well my shock, there is so much there, I had a look also today....Our site it's still under construction, cannot compare with yours at the moment, we are not that expert and doing everything by ourself. The forum is active, but anything is actually only in Italian, English is going to be implemented. You can find it at rapax-totalwar.com
But don't complain about the yellow-red crown with SPQR written on it, simbol of Roma at those time, please http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif we didn't take it from your site.....

How did you get to all those links? No problem with copyright? Can we also make a link to your site or those links?

XXI RAPAX Brutus

[Ja'chyra]

Glad to see you guys got this sorted out. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[SPQR Caligula]

I was impressed by your site as well Brutus, I may pop in and post in your forum from time to time if it is ok with you, that is of course so long as all your Italian buddies don't gang up on me, you will have to excuse my ignorance of the Italian language my granddad was fluent in Italian as he came from Italy but I cant speak a word, well 2 or 3 words maybe. php has its limitations it is very good for forums but is sadly lacking in most other areas, I did start work on a large php site a few weeks ago but I haven't had the time to work on it yet.

I don't mind people using things from my site if they ask and it is done on a friendly basis, I do have a problem with people copying me with malicious intent and then causing an argument with me after, I haven't got a problem with copyright but Microsoft are a bit touchy about there copyright.

...................Cali


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[SPQR Caligula]

Yes im glad we have sorted it out to and I hope that we can all get along together.

Now I know that there will be people that are determined to paint me as the bad boy in this disagreement so I would like to make a few points to them, I have given all the way here at no point did RAPAX give an inch, I could be shouting about the way I have been harassed and sworn at by certain people and I could be trying to have them banned for it, but im not, after all as I understand it the rules on banning people don't so much apply to copying as harassment.

I still reserve the right to copy any one that copies me surely this is the least recourse that a person should have.

SPQR Caligula V.C.


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[LRossaRikimaru]

Caligola could u explain me the mean of "italian buddies" supporting brutus?
thx.

[SPQR Caligula]

Meaning Italian Freinds.............


...........Cali

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[ShadesWolf]

Stop STop STOp STOP.......

The Barracks is not a place to talk about CLAN arguments. This should be sorted out over at your own clan forums/websites. Not in the PUBLIC halls of the ORG.

The barracks is a 'Recruiting and tournament info area' to allows clans to talk to each other and recruit new members......

THIS IS NOT A PLACE FOR THROWING MUD AT EACH OTHER OVER CLAN MEMBERS NAMES.

Will you please stop this.

[SPQR Caligula]

I would like to offer my unreserved apology for replying to posts here on this topic, if Brutus, LRossaRikimaru or any of there Italian buddies would like to discus this further please feel free to post in my forum




My Forum (http://www.rome-total-war.com/Barraks_Main_frm.htm)



..................Cali



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[ShadesWolf]

Thankyou for your co-operation

[Shurikenjitsu]

I'm sorry also Shades if I started this stuff in the bad place http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif . Someone told me to post it here, and I did this mistake not intentionally. Anyway SPQR Caligula is welcome at our site, he can post in english, excuse us if just some of us speak english, but I promise a reply when needed.
Thanks for the invitation at your forum. I'll surely abuse of it :)
And if we have future disputes, let's resolve them friendly on the battlefield.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-beam.gif

XXI RAPAX Brutus

[Daevorn]

i am an italian buddy, can i join this topic??

cya
Paladino_brutus-shurishurituttol'anno

[Dionysus9]

I'm glad it all got worked out. Most disputes can be resolved by talking through them-- like this one.

In the future you are free to discuss (within certain very broad limits) these types of disputes at the Total Wars Network (TWN) at www.totalwars.net

the TWN is a good "neutral ground" where you can take off your gloves and really get some good hits in-- especially in the "Warzone" forum.

The .org prefers to avoid these types of disputes, so the TWN has evolved to give people a place to vent these types of frustrations.

[Gregoshi]

Good alternate suggestion Dionysus. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif