Seasons and Terrains

[Shurikenjitsu]

Hello All,

Just I'd like someone to explain differences/effects in the game between Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter.
Also between Temp, Lush, Arid and Rocky desert.
I guess I know them in principle, but wants to know details, for example are Camels getting Bonus only in sandy desert or also Rocky desert?
Are Lush or arid just changing the floras on map, therefore Cav will work better in arid then in Lush or something more?

Ciao&Thanks in advance
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XXI RAPAX Brutus

[Chimpyang]

Hey,
Temperate covers most of Europe and is basically green fields (England + France). These offer no combat bonus to most fighters there (Mainly Catholic) but does offer a combat penalty to Camels. Arid should means the place is hotter and probably armoured troops get tired quicker (logic there not knowledge) and Desert (All types) gives a combat bonus to Camels but offer no penalties to un- armoured horsemen (the games dusn't say so anyway..) Because the Desert is a bakim hot place any armoured troops basically cook in their armour which makes them tire quicker.
I've never heard of Cav getting bonuses in Arid but it might be that so as to demonstrate the widely varying terrains of Europe they just decided to change some textures around. But most MP maps which are arid by default (steppes inland etc..) dont have a lot of trees so in tht sense cav heavy armies work better.
The season just work in their principals (more chance of rain in spring or autumn... and no chance of seeing snow anywhere but winter) but in the desert swap rain for sandstorms. All rain/sandstorms do is tire out troops and lower accuracy of fire for missile units (or render gunpowder ones useless).
I know the above was not very well written. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[solypsist]

heavily armored troops (of the European variety) do suffer from fatigue, and so get a morale penalty. this is especially true with heavy cavalry (who suffer even more morale penalties), which is why the dismount option was created.

[Zone]

Am I right in thinking that if you have the battle timer on, you have longest in summer, shortest in winter and somewhere in-between for autumn and spring?

[fruitfly]

Quote[/b] (Zone @ Jan. 11 2004,18:39)]Am I right in thinking that if you have the battle timer on, you have longest in summer, shortest in winter and somewhere in-between for autumn and spring?
It was definitely like that in Shogun, but I've never paid much attention to it in MTW.

As far as I can tell you only seem to get winter conditions if the battle is the 3rd or 4th fought in a turn. I could well be wrong on that, but it would explain why I see snow so rarely.

[el_slapper]

I once had Camels fighting in the snow. I should have forecasted my plans better... Fortunately I also had more adapted troops.

[Zone]

I've been playing a VI campaign and I had 5 battles in one turn. the first was green, all the others were in winter...

[CeeBod]

I had a snow-bound battle in Constantinople the other day - which was rather surprising - my camels looked particularly surprised http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

It was cool though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
Just like the new smileys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-cool.gif
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[NewJeffCT]

Quote[/b] (CeeBod @ Jan. 13 2004,04:00)]I had a snow-bound battle in Constantinople the other day - which was rather surprising - my camels looked particularly surprised http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

It was cool though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
Just like the new smileys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-cool.gif
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I'm jealous... I've gone through 20-25 SP campaigns, all starting in early and have NEVER had a battle in the snow, despite always trying to colonize Sweden & Norway as soon as I can, even if I'm the Turks or Egyptians.

Heck, the only time I saw snow was when I fought a sample battle either as the Polish or against them when i was first learning the game.

[Ulair]

I didn't realise there was any seasonal model until I found myself on a snow-covered Burgundy the other day. I must say it was particularly atmospheric - I could almost feel the legs of my feudal sergeants as they slogged through the snow to assault the bridge, with nothing but serried ranks of archers and snorting cavalry horses awaiting them... I could almost see the horses' breath steaming in the air as they pawed the frozen turf, curb-chains jingling in the peculiarly deadened silence.

Great graphics rendering, but not as impressive as the lush, green landscapes covered in mist. The mist is so good - how'd they do that? Graphical mist is damn hard...

What I don't remember is whether that Burgundy battle was towards the end of a sequence for that turn - is there a real seasonal pattern for battles, and if so, any way to turn it to ones advantage (I'd rather defend in snow than attack, for instance)?

BTW, anyone know if there's a fatigue, or even movement, penalty for snow?

Cheers,
Ulair

[Ironside]

Citera[/b] ]What I don't remember is whether that Burgundy battle was towards the end of a sequence for that turn - is there a real seasonal pattern for battles, and if so, any way to turn it to ones advantage (I'd rather defend in snow than attack, for instance)?

BTW, anyone know if there's a fatigue, or even movement, penalty for snow?

Cheers,
Ulair


You'll never get snow in the first battle of a turn, but I'm not sure how it works after that. It used to be spring, summer, autumn, winter and the rest of the battles this turn was winter but it was changed in one patch.

If it's a blizzard then you'll defenatly get some fatigue, and I think you get it normal snow to but that I'm not certain. I had a long winter battle with random blizzards. When the blizzards hit all troops (mine and the comp) got exhausted even if they stood still. Then they recovered when the blizzards stopped. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif I think my heaviest units (most armour) had most the problem with fatigue but I'm not 100% certain.

[katank]

see the other thread in the main hall on this. I believe that after the first or possibly the second battle that is not autoresolved in a single turn, you have a chance for snow. The fourth is a guaranteed snow battle.

[Servius]

I once sent my king on an amphibious Crusade. After taking the province the port was destroyed in the tumult. Thus my king was on the other side of the map with no naval connection to mother England, and there was a rebellion in almost everyone of my provinces (British Isles, Scandinavia, NW 3/4 of France). The following turn I think I fought something like 13 small battles with the rebels. I think all but the first two occured on snow maps.

It was the coolest time I've ever had with MTW.

Not only were there over 10 snow battles in one year, but they were also very small rebel stacks, maybe 1-5 units at most. Plus, I didn't keep a lot of reserves in the Isles, so I had to often send only 1-3 of my own units to each province to put them down. This made it even more fun for me cause I love very small battles, with lots of hills, towns, and forests, esp. when I'm fielding high-quality troops. So I know what you mean about the coolness factor of snow maps. It was a blast.

[Kristaps]

Judging from my experience: there is a fatigue penalty in snow... My armies definitely tired much faster and once they reached 'totally exhausted' never recovered even if standing still... Just not sure, if there are any units that are immune to the winter effect.

On another note, I've heard that camels get an extra bonus in sandstorms. Anyone know if this is true? How about snow-storms: any panda-type troops that feel extremely comfy in those conditions? :)

[Ulair]

At risk of skating off topic slightly: you're attacking, you don't like the weather, so you click Wait. Night falls, next day dawns. Still don't like the weather? Well, can you keep waiting forever? I've clicked through a couple of days but never pushed it too far but - anyone know how long you can wait, and whether there's any penalty for waiting for better weather?

Cheers,
Ulair

[Pox]

You can "wait" for a total of 5 days. The following day the enemy is upon you and you must choose to either attack or retreat no matter what the weather is for that day.

[PseRamesses]

As a viking-defender I was caught off guard with my 6 heirs stationed in Athfotla when the Scots broke our alliance and attacked with two huge stacks. When the deployment screen came up it was winter - great, their horses will have problems now, he he The battlemap loaded and the bugger Scots had choosen to do battle during a raging blizzard? So I deployed my troops high on mountains and hid them in forrests. Man it was a slaughter and the Scots turned tails offering a royal marriage in the next couple of turns.