Trade Amount

[Jammies]

Have been reading elsewhere about provinces that are getting 5000 or more florins per turn from trade.

Say what?

I have Sweden, with Merchant upgrade, ships in every single water province in the entire damn game, and no war. Yet Sweden is bringing in about 2000 florins in trade, 2600 florins or so counting farming. The year is 1230, so most provinces have ports (although not all).

Uh? 2000 is nothing like 5000. How can I do better than having ships across the entire map and trading with everybody who has a port?

A side note -- England just declared war on me. Very annoying, they are a bunch of ponces with about 3 ships to their name, but the mere existence of those ships in the North Sea and English Channel forces me to attack them. Which leads to excommunication because I'm not obeying the Pope.

So ... England declares war on me, it actively blockades my trade by cutting off my provinces (northern Germany, the Baltic, Scandanavia) from the rest of the world, and it is apparently in no danger whatsoever of excommunication. It can do this for the next 100 years without any worries whatsoever. But if I attempt to reopen my trade route, I'm excommunicated.

Oh, yeah, I like that a lot. Think I'm going to go kill me a Pope to relieve my frustrations. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-angry.gif

[desdichado]

Jammies,

Have you checked that you have ships connected in every province - one link missing and your trade income goes way down.

Assuming all sea provinces are connected and you are not being blockaded by anyone (before the English got antsy anyway) then Swenden should be making a lot more money for you especially with merchant upgrades.

You can check sea provinces by pressing v I think. Green you have a ship and no enemies there, red it is blockaded and no colour means no ships of yours in there.

p.s where did the beer smiley go???

[Court Jester]

Sweden is lucrative but my 5000+ earners have been usually been Antioch, Venice and/or Egypt. In my experience the trade income has increased as provinces become more developed. 1230 is still a bit early. I think that improved bowyers, town militias, etc. all have a slight enhancement on trade income, and as the game progresses more income is generated from improved buildings. That is, until it a certain point that it all goes pear-shaped, when you've conquered a few too many provinces, so that trade income starts to decrease from too few trading partners, and you become stuck in wars with tiny nations with three blockading ships.

Also, obviously, upgrade your castles as fast as possible in the super-earning provinces so that you can build the corresponding merchants as soon as possible. Also, I troll through my generals periodically looking for those with 6 or more acumen quills -- they are assigned to govern those provinces.

Very frustrating about the enemy ships -- what's annoying is that they can prove hard to catch, no matter how big your fleet stack is and how often you attack them, they just slip away.

[Doug-Thompson]

Marco Polo's travels is a special event that occurs sometime. I forget which year. That adds a lot of trade goods to Antioch and Tripoli. That makes it easier to get those absurbly high trade incomes there.

Something else happens much later, some voyage to India. That also boosts trade income — once again, in the southern portion of the map.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Something else happens much later, some voyage to India.
Some voyage??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-shocked.gif

It's the beggining of the period of navigations that later (1498), led to the discovery of the maritime route to India by the Portuguese navigators http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

After which, ocurred the discovery of the Americas (trying an alternate route), Brasil and so on... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif

[Jammies]

I have had no trouble catching & squashing those annoying enemy ships. Lots of longboats (relatively fast, speed 3) separated out individually, just drop 2 or 3 of them onto any English and poof, the English ship disappears.

But next year or year after, they build a new one. Damn fools, I'm going to have to invade them and conquer their country, don't they see their peril? I was perfectly happy to let them alone and pound the Byzantines but now I gotta make a detour and spank some English tail.

Thanks for the answers on the trade income.

[johnnybrigante]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Jan. 12 2004,20:31)]It's the beggining of the period of navigations that later (1498), led to the discovery of the maritime route to India by the Portuguese navigators http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

After which, ocurred the discovery of the Americas (trying an alternate route), Brasil and so on... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif
oops the italian christopher columbus (cristovao colombo), sponsored by the spanish crown, reached america in 1492, when trying to find an around-the-globe route to india. therefore, before anyone actually did find it.

and in 1500 pedro alvares cabral, hmm, yes, discovered brasil after a detour.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-lost.gif
actually portugal wanted to know if there were lands to the east of the divisory line of the tordesilhas treaty, estabilished in 1494, by which all lands west of i-dont-know-which meridian would belong to the spanish, and all lands east of it would belong to the portuguese. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

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[danielrech]

hey johnnybrigante, nice to see a fellow brazilian here... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

Back to the topic, yes you can get 5000 income, but just in a few provinces. With Sweden the most I can recall I think was around 3000. Constantinople, Venice and Flanders can easily surpass the 4000 mark if you dominate the seas and have updated merchants and good governors...

[fruitfly]

Constantinople, Tripoli and Antioch have been the most lucrative provinces for me. With master merchants, a good 6-7 acumen governor and farm upgrades those can rake in 5-7000 florins a year each assuming you've got a decent number of allied or neutral factions to trade with still.

Sweden seems to max out at about 3-3500 as others have said.

I think your trade income is also increased if the AI has a chain of ships linking its ports to yours. If you click the coin icon on the strategy map screen so that it brings up the list of provinces and their incomes from trade and farming and then click the trade amount for one of your provinces you get a breakdown of its income from everywhere. I've seen it before (mainly with a big Italian AI navy) where I've had an income due to goods received from places like Venice and Sicily.

Being neutral with the rebels can also help to boost trade income a lot. Especially later in the game and there's the advantage there that they don't have ships to blockade you with.

[Basileus]

Tripoli after getting one more trade item is best money maker..with a good govener and 80%farm and master merchant you´ll have almost 8k of profit..thats like 7-8 stacks of units supported just from tripoli :D

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Olá, johnnybrigante Um Brasileiro, hein? Eu sou Português http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif


Quote[/b] ]oops
Why oops? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif




Quote[/b] ] the italian christopher columbus (cristovao colombo), sponsored by the spanish crown, reached america in 1492, when trying to find an around-the-globe route to india.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif Where do you think Colombo learned oceanic navigation?
In Portugal.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif To what king do you think he proposed that voyage in the first place?
To the King of Portugal, D. João II.

He wanted to find an alternate route, because he was convinced that the distance to India was half of what it really was

The Portuguese knew the distance to be much greater and didn't see the need of a new route. Colombo then marched on to Spain to propose the voyage to the Spanish Kings.

So, the discovery of the Americas was founded on a navigational mistake.




Quote[/b] ]therefore, before anyone actually did find it.
What about the Asiatic migrations that went through the Bering Straith in the last Ice Age? What about the Vikings? What about Eric the Red, who founded colonies in Vinland (North America)?

IMO, Christopher Columbus was the last men to discover America, not the first http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-happy2.gif




Quote[/b] ]and in 1500 pedro alvares cabral, hmm, yes, discovered brasil after a detour....
actually portugal wanted to know if there were lands to the east of the divisory line of the tordesilhas treaty, estabilished in 1494, by which all lands west of i-dont-know-which meridian would belong to the spanish, and all lands east of it would belong to the portuguese.
That was accorded in the Tordesillas Treatie. The meridien passed 270 miles west of Azores (Açores). http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-glasses2.gif

[Pruneau]

Hmmm I thought I understood most of the mechanics of making money after two weeks of playing, but my measly 500 floring income in Flanders is a clear indication that I need to learn a lot more asap.

Now I am not sure, but I always thought Columbus was a portuguese, not an italian?

I repair machines for a living, so don't hit me if I am mistaken http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Now I am not sure, but I always thought Columbus was a portuguese, not an italian?

I repair machines for a living, so don't hit me if I am mistaken http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif
Hey, man No need to worry... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

No, he was Genovese (in today's Italy), but lived in Portugal for a number of years, while learning the Portuguese's secrets on oceanic voyages.

[PowerProjection]

Your provinces need to have some good trade goods before you can make money. Make sure the taxes are pretty high too to milk them of money. CHEERS

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[johnnybrigante]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Jan. 13 2004,11:27)]What about the Asiatic migrations that went through the Bering Straith in the last Ice Age? What about the Vikings? What about Eric the Red, who founded colonies in Vinland (North America)?

IMO, Christopher Columbus was the last men to discover America, not the first http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-happy2.gif
i thought eric the red only reached as far as groenland - as far as i know, not him, but his son (leif ericson) was the first explorer to reach continental lands in america (sailing from groenland).

if i remember well, all of that happened near the year 1000..... the major problem is, they didn't leave much information about it, nor did these colonies had the same importance as did the portuguese and spanish navigations... but you probably already know all of that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

it is the typical wright-brothers-issue: situations where one or more people/country achieved the same goals as some others before, but, since it had no or very little influence at the time, or, it was something that did not continue as it could. half a dozen inventors invented the airplane in the same year - many before the wright brothers, many with better and - by today's standarts - more relevant technologies. (btw, i don't know why santos dumont and his 14-bis were not given the honour - santos dumont flied around the eiffel tower, you bet this was no small accomplishment -sp?- and probably received a LOT of attention at the time).

but, yes, you are correct, columbus was the last man to discover america... but the first from a major ocidental power, and these were the ones who wrote our history books, not some nordic guy with an axe............. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]i thought eric the red only reached as far as groenland - as far as i know, not him, but his son (leif ericson) was the first explorer to reach continental lands in america (sailing from groenland).
Yes, you're right. Eric reached and established colonies in Groenland in 984. It was Lief who reached North America in 1000.



Quote[/b] ]if i remember well, all of that happened near the year 1000..... the major problem is, they didn't leave much information about it, nor did these colonies had the same importance as did the portuguese and spanish navigations... but you probably already know all of that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Yes, but we now know it through escavations. Also, the industrial capabilities of the Vikings, weren't comparable to those of the Portuguese or Spanish...



Quote[/b] ]it is the typical wright-brothers-issue: situations where one or more people/country achieved the same goals as some others before, but, since it had no or very little influence at the time, or, it was something that did not continue as it could. half a dozen inventors invented the airplane in the same year - many before the wright brothers, many with better and - by today's standarts - more relevant technologies. (btw, i don't know why santos dumont and his 14-bis were not given the honour - santos dumont flied around the eiffel tower, you bet this was no small accomplishment -sp?- and probably received a LOT of attention at the time).
Yeap. That one must really hurt for a Brasilian.
USA tends to get the credit for everything. They are great publicists. Someday they'll get the credit for the invention of the wheel or something like that... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

Have you heard the latest news? Americans invented the Pizza http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-idea2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif



Quote[/b] ]but, yes, you are correct, columbus was the last man to discover america... but the first from a major ocidental power, and these were the ones who wrote our history books, not some nordic guy with an axe.............
Just like in the wars:

The winner rewrites History...

[Demequis]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was always told that italian immigrants invented pizza out of spare bread dough?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]but I was always told that italian immigrants invented pizza
Jackpot http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

Italians... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif