Loyalty of Generals

[kawligia]

Forgive me if this has been discussed before...I did a search and got many many pages and It would take me a month to read them all.

So what will influence the starting loyalty of your generals? I'm playing the Vikings era and even though I am pretty powerful with good influence and little to no bad vices AND high loyalty in the building provence, almost all of my generals in new units have practically no loyalty.

It is very annoying...what gives?

[Basileus]

Well in the province your building the units you could put an emmisary build a royalpalace both give a boost to loyalty, build town watch and border forts aswell will give the king a vice boost to loyalty aswell

[Ace of Shades]

I sometimes find loyalty can be low among your generals if you have a weak king. Maybe its time for the guillotine for your sovereign :D

[Math Mathonwy]

build alot to get the magnificent builder virtue +2 loyalty, wench your daughters out, and increase your kings influence by success in battle, influence may not help the generals you already have, but any new gens you make will have alot higher loyalty if you have high influence.

[Brutal DLX]

Additionally, you could also try some unit leaders for treason with your spies, it seems to increase loyalty marginally (+1 or 2) after a few such trials.

[bighairyman]

Quote[/b] ]Additionally, you could also try some unit leaders for treason with your spies, it seems to increase loyalty marginally (+1 or 2) after a few such trials.

Doesn't that lowers loyalty by 1 if u failed. if u suceed, then they were killed. what u do with low loyalty generals is to move them to ur king's stack, so they won't revolt. and if all else fails, sent them on a sucide inavsion. on one such occasin, i had a 1 loyatly heir with tons of bad vices, so i snet him to egpty, in the battle. i ran behind the egpytians and charged their king, and killed him, bad then they routed him,and captured him. and BTW, i did not paid for his release. "evil laugh" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Brutal DLX]

Yes, if it fails, loyalty lowers and informant vices are gained, that's why it's a good idea to try him with several, preferrably higher valour spies at the same time and try at least 3 generals that way. You should notice improved loyalty across the board. Of course, you can simply disband the unit if it went horribly wrong.

Low loyalty heirs and mercenaries typically go into my king's stack.

[SirGrotius]

as has been stated before, just build a lot, your kingdom will be successful and your generals will be more loyal to you for it. also, proximity to the king matters.

[TheSilverKnight]

Quote[/b] (Ace of Shades @ Jan. 14 2004,18:25)]I sometimes find loyalty can be low among your generals if you have a weak king. Maybe its time for the guillotine for your sovereign :D
agreed I sometimes do that, with an 8 star assassin I build up after all these attempted assassinations from past Kings. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[johnnybrigante]

Quote[/b] (bighairyman @ Jan. 16 2004,02:43)]Doesn't that lowers loyalty by 1 if u failed.
i thought that a failed trial would result in an instant civil war - my spies failed twice, civil war twice. but on second thought it makes sense, since both times all of my generals were with low loyalty and i was trying them exactly because i was already en route to a civil war...

[PseRamesses]

Has anyone a list of which buildings that gives high accumen, loyalty, command etc?

[Brutal DLX]

Quote[/b] (johnnybrigante @ Jan. 18 2004,06:01)]
Quote[/b] (bighairyman @ Jan. 16 2004,02:43)]Doesn't that lowers loyalty by 1 if u failed.
i thought that a failed trial would result in an instant civil war - my spies failed twice, civil war twice. but on second thought it makes sense, since both times all of my generals were with low loyalty and i was trying them exactly because i was already en route to a civil war...
No, the civil war doesn't happen everytime a trial fails, but if you already got a spy report telling you about a great number of disloyal generals, then indeed a civil war is likely to break out if trials go wrong.
In such a situation, either only use high valour spies or simply disband some of the most disloyal generals first.

[Turbo]

Quote[/b] (Basileus @ Jan. 14 2004,17:32)]Well in the province your building the units you could put an emmisary build a royalpalace both give a boost to loyalty, build town watch and border forts aswell will give the king a vice boost to loyalty aswell
To my knowledge, non of the building structures increase loyalty. That includes Royal palaces.

[kawligia]

It seems influence is a big factor. Its never really a problem for me except when playing the Vikings period. I'm playing the Scots right now, I've unified all of Scotland and Ireland, I am "the richest" and have the "stongest military might", magnificent builder virtue......and 2 influence. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-speechless.gif My king has been king since he was 17 and has accomplished at least his share of the kingdom. He is now in his 30's and never gained 1 influence even after all that. His father did more than he did and he only had 3 or maybe 4 influence. WTF??? I am the major power on the island yet the game says I am small potatoes.