View Full Version : very very good tip or is it a cheat?
this is very useful in expert mode.all you need to do is train about 20 or more shinobes,send them into enemys capital and the loyalty will fall dramaticly.It also works the opposite way,if you are about to be conquered place 20 or more shins and well if the enemy does decide to attack soon after a big revolt will spawn!
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Catiline
02-23-2002, 19:01
it's certainly not a cheat, it's what shinobi are largely for. They used to be rubbish, but are much more efficient in the xpack. It's a useful way early on of conquering provinces without breaking alliances, later in the game this doesn't work as the AI clans usually tech up so far they smack down any rebels. You also need to be careful in that you can have a province revolt again and again whilst the AI always defeats them, the consequence being that you end up giving an enemy general so much success he gets honour upgrades.
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holy cow!thats why i always gat annihlated aferwards,tanks catiline
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Toda Nebuchadnezzar
02-23-2002, 21:02
The way to do it. Is to be say Imagawa. Take Shinano and then use it as a base to move 20 or so shinobi into all the surrounding provinces. No general will get too much honour because it will happen in lots of different clan lands. Handy idea just thought of it.
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This strategy is not flawless though.
If you invest too much on shinobi early on, your clan probably won't even survive. And it's not cost efficient. Consider this: with the same amount of the money for 20 shinobi, you could have recruited 20 units of Yari Ashigaru, enough to take over most of Japan.
While in the middle or end stage of the game, ANY rebellion WILL be easily crushed by a clan with decent army size.
In short, Shinobi stategy is a valid one, but it alone won't win the game for you.
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
02-24-2002, 02:10
Indeed Goth. In short never rely on one program always have a back-up plan ready to put into action.
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I'd differ on that. Shinobi are one of the best things you can invest in the first 100 turns.
Putting 3 or 4 shinobi on enemy provinces (at the start they dont have border forts) will guarantee that your neigbors will NOT attack you. If an AI clan captures a province, you put shinobi on it.. and you prevent them from expanding.
Sure, you may give the AI some high honour generals, but thats easy to counteract if you command the battle yourself (and best of all, kill the enemy general during the fight!). And later on in the game,when the AI has border forts on its developed provinces, your shinobi should avoid those and instead cause revolt after revolt on every border province and every new province captured by the AI.
Play as the Imagawa for a bit, you'll notice just how good shinobi are to destabilize your enemies. On one of my games, my Imagawa clan was down to owning Totomi and Suruga.. the AI had clobbered me with hordes of monks (Hojo). Only shimazu, Hojo and my clan remained. I had like 12 shinobi in Hojo's border provinces.. and he started taking on rebels... and fighting off rebellions.. it allowed me to build up my defenses (lotsa guns and archers and yari)...but best of all, one of those rebellions brought back the TAKEDA. And 4 turns (4 more rebellions after), it also brought back the Uesugi!. My shinobi in Shimazu lands brought back the Oda a few turns after that as well.
I ended up with alliances with all the resurfaced clans.The Oda had recaptured all lands from Owari to Awajii from Shimazu and the Takeda had all provinces above Mino and Shinano. Since the new threat I made an alliance with the Oda and one with the Hojo...
I let 12 turns pass,and my wolfpack of 12 ninjas attacking at once killed the Hojo Daimyio and his sole heir quickly. Result: I got most of his lands and armies for free! Later on I did the same with the Oda.
Imagawa rules http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
tanks for the support tac!
Catiline
02-24-2002, 08:29
Goth, if you can truly take over Japan with 20 units of ashi I'll be well impressed
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Quote Originally posted by Tac:
I'd differ on that. Shinobi are one of the best things you can invest in the first 100 turns.
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Holy Crap!
During the first ONE HUNDRED turns? Does the expansion pack change the game that much?
Playing the original STW on expert, I have rarely seen the game go over 20 years (I have yet to see the Dutch).
If the new version is much tougher I would like to know...did the AI change at all?
Jaguara
No, it didn't change that much.
However, with twice as fast building speed and half the cost, you can enjoy the 'sit and develop' game. And if you play those late scenarios, yes, you will meet Dutches.
God, it's great fun to meet Geishas with Geishas, BNs against BNs, Kensai vs Kensai, muskets vs muskets, not to mention that you can build TWO trading posts in one province!
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However, with twice as fast building speed and half the cost, you can enjoy the 'sit and develop' game. And if you play those late scenarios, yes, you will meet Dutches.
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Interesting. In the original, you really have to strike boldly in the beginning to expand your income...the sit and wait while building up would take a looonnngggg time.
I am debating about getting it, or waiting for MTW. It is still like $55 in Canada. And then there is the issue of my playing it more often...my girlfriend will leave me if I spend any more time on the PC than I am now http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Jaguara, where do you buy your cpu stuff ???
I bought WE/MI for 40$ tx included at a compusmart 3 weeks ago.
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Can you not just buy the single EX pack. I got it here for £14.99.
No Ex-pack in Canada...just the Warlord Edition.
I saw it at Costco and at EBoutique. Both places had it for $52-55. If it had been $40, I would have bought it. STW is $20 now at both.
last night the AI did this exact sort of thing to me. it is down to me and one oppent, land is about 60/40 inhis favor but my units are maxed out in armor/weapon ect. he starts attcking me with hugh cheap armies (he often out numbered me 3 to 1) but i am just crushing his troops often get 7 or 8 to 1 kill ratio. after about a year his armys are virtualy destroyed and I am read to bring him down when.......
pop,pop,pop,pop,pop,pop,pop,pop 8 of my provence revolt (the turn after i got the little pop saying how loyal they where) I don't think it will change the out come of the game but he certainly bought himself some time.
YagyuKamiizumi
02-28-2002, 07:20
Amazon.com has Warlord Edition for $19.99
[This message has been edited by YagyuKamiizumi (edited 02-28-2002).]
Efmu,
I had the exact same thing happen to me! Is it a bug?
I had conquered most of Japan and still had three hefty enemies to bring down. All of a sudden after losing a river battle, EVERY SINGLE province revolts! Every one, and the rebels all wield half-full armies! Then, most of them turned Mori, wrenching the game totally out of control.
However, this happened when I had a Shinobi in every province, not to mention border forts and the like. What gives?
Anyone: is this a bug or not?
Nate
Did you lose your Daimyo while losing your river battle?
If so, that'll explain everything.
Basically the massive revolts after the death of a prestige daimyo is a feature in MI/WE.
Gothmog:
No, not at all! My diamyo was safe and sound, and in any case I would understand that kind of massive reaction to his death. This was simply a rebel army's Pyrric victory against me and BOOM! No way to win the game.
Well, that's not true. I could have spent 10+ more hours on the campaign, but I was so disgusted I quit out.
Hopefully there is some kind of answer....
Thanks, though!
Nate
De Bullseye
03-01-2002, 21:38
Jaguara
It sounds like you need to buy Warlord Edition online. The aforementioned Amazon.com or even some auction sites (if you don't mind used).
It seems like WE is getting more difficult to find. I'm not sure why, since it has been out less than a year and I would presume that it has sold fairly well.
I did notice that they have re-released the original STW. It comes in a much smaller package and I've seen it on sale for as little as $9.99.
DB
De Bullseye
03-02-2002, 05:12
I purchased the game during my lunch hour.
There is a GameStop.com at the nearby mall and they had it for $19.99.
Now I have days and days of computer gaming ahead (now I just need the "days and days").
DB
Quote Originally posted by De Bullseye:
Jaguara
It sounds like you need to buy Warlord Edition online. The aforementioned Amazon.com or even some auction sites (if you don't mind used).
It seems like WE is getting more difficult to find. I'm not sure why, since it has been out less than a year and I would presume that it has sold fairly well.
I did notice that they have re-released the original STW. It comes in a much smaller package and I've seen it on sale for as little as $9.99.
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Well, I think I will be OK with just STW until MTW is released. I won't have my internet back on my home PC until then anyway (which would be the main reason I would bother getting WE)
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