Most frustating defeat...

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

This a sample from a custom battle that I made just to test the limits of inequality, in valor and equipment.

1 Army (Turkish): 1840 men
VS
7 Armies (All Catholic + Byz): 22400 men

You know what? I lost http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif


http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/TheMosFrustat-Def-Turks-Cat-Byz-1760-22400-800.jpg


What's your most frustating defeat? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-bigcry.gif

[makkyo]

How did you loose if you lost so little men? Weird...

My most frustrating defeat... can't remember who I was of how I was fighting, but I sent my vastly superior army to attack the enemy without any knowlege of what the enemy had except for its size (talk about stupid). Short story shorter, army took one good hit with some guns the enemy had and I was gone. Never again will I do such a thing. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Revenant69]

did you run out of time?

[johnnybrigante]

there is something i didnt understand....... it just seems weird.

nao entendi patavinas

[ZZuluZ]

Why is there no valour being gained by any of your men???

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]How did you loose if you lost so little men? Weird...

I didn't captured or killed the Danish King. The only one I missed... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

I didn't expect the game to ask me to capture or kill every King, but it did http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif




Quote[/b] ]did you run out of time?
Nope. No time limit.




Quote[/b] ]there is something i didnt understand....... it just seems weird.

não entendi patavinas
Não entendeste o quê? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif




Quote[/b] ]Why is there no valour being gained by any of your men???
Maybe because they were killing peasents with 0 valour... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif




Quote[/b] ]My most frustrating defeat... can't remember who I was of how I was fighting, but I sent my vastly superior army to attack the enemy without any knowlege of what the enemy had except for its size (talk about stupid). Short story shorter, army took one good hit with some guns the enemy had and I was gone. Never again will I do such a thing.
That one is bad http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

I've forced the AI in that position several times though. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif

[Mummer]

This happens all the time, where a province rebels, and I'm lazy and let it auto-calculate, and even though I outnumber and outgeneral the enemy, I will end up being defeated. I can't think of any specific examples, however.

[Monk]

hmmm mine was from a campaign not to long ago,

Poland 1355 (Played MM/Poles/Expert/late)

After twenty long years of warfare, the Mongols broke through our defenses and smashed their way to their first victory in two decades. The King of poland rallied to the defense of his people, but was forced to pull back to Prussia and consolidate his force. However as he waited trying despretly to rally his men to make an attack on Poland, his lands in the west were over run by the Mongols through quick and merciless attacks. soon only Prussia itself was under the Command of the Polish King, and rallying every fighting soldier to his cause he set out one late evening marching south.

it was weeks later that he actually entered his former home, and when he did he saw the devestation wrought by the mongols. Entire vilages were torn down and burned, people killed and their bodies stacked into piles. His heart was full of hatred. They made camp as nightfell, and with him the Polish king had brought 1199 troops, while the Mongols had 3000.

The next morning came with the sun rising over the mountains. The King gathered up his men and set out once again, he marched east and it was not long until he had confronted the entire Mongolian force, and what a sight it was. Full legions of bloodthirsty hell founded men holding their weapons ready just awaiting the signal so they could unleash their onslaught, the King of the Poles drew up his battlelines and awaited their charge.

The sky became dense and a thick rain gathered overhead, then lighting cracked and rain poured out from the skies. The Mongol Khan lifted up his arm ready to give the signal to charge, and all was silent. And before he could, the Polish king gave his troops a final thought, Rememebr My soldiers, he shouted, We have nothing to live for if we are defeated, We have nothing to go home to if we lose, For this is our home Now show them and the world that we shall stand for Poland, Land of Kings The Lines of the poles shouted aloud and they pounded their polearms down upon the soil.

But just as so, the Mongol Khan let fall his arm signaling to his men to attack. and forth came the fire of hell, or so it seemed, for hundreds upon hudreds of heavy horsemen and infantry thundered their way down the hills and toward the Lines of the King. They lifted their swords high and sounded their war cry. Up went the polearms and axes of the polish and battle was joined, For hours upon hours the Christian men fought their pagan enemies. And for hours did the killing continue, with each man to fall for the mongols, ten more sprange onto the battlefield to take his palce, and for the poles, no help came.

Wave after wave of Mongols came in and they met their doom thanks to the Polish Militia and spearmen. However, after three long hours, the King of poland fell and his army fell to peices. but even though outnumbered, to the Mongol's surprise, not one man left the field. For each now was renowed with Valor and would refuse to leave their lord upon the field. The lines of the poles regrouped and mounted one last attack against the mongols, and it reached a horrific conclusion. For as they entered the fight, they swung around their axes and beheaded the Khan, but even that was not enough to stop their enemy. And soon every last man of the Polish army met his doom, but not before gaining valor above that of seven times a normal man. The earth drank much blood that day.

Final body count: Polish dead: 1199 King K.I.A
Mongol dead: 2476 Khan K.I.A
Prisoners: 0 for either side
Battle time: 3hrs 45 min
Result on Strategic map: With that final crushing defeat i had no men left and no king to lead them, the game was over for me, but it was also over for the Mongols who turned rebel right along with me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

:bows:

[Mummer]

Wow... a brave sacrifice if I ever heard of one. It took the destruction of one nation to gain the salvation for the entirety of Europe, it would make a wonderful movie. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Cebei]

Aymar I really dont understand why lost the battle. You wiped out everybody but still lost??

My worst defeat was:

450 Egyptian 2 star general (me)
vs.
580 Almohadi 3 star general

I was the defender. Formed the line. Saw some sarahan cavalry trying to flank. Sent the saracens to cover the flank. When saracens arrived I repositioned them to form a better depth defence. THEN WHAT HAPPENED? All of the turned their back and got stuck (bug) in that formation. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif Sarahans charged the saracen idiots who were supposed to cover my a** and the penetrated into my defensive line. I tried to send troops to cover the gap but I was playing expert, Almohads made a very good attack and others routed when they saw the flank falling. It was really embarrassing. One unit caused the doom of all.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Final body count: Polish dead: 1199 King K.I.A
Mongol dead: 2476 Khan K.I.A
Prisoners: 0 for either side
Battle time: 3hrs 45 min
Result on Strategic map: With that final crushing defeat i had no men left and no king to lead them, the game was over for me, but it was also over for the Mongols who turned rebel right along with me.
The Glorious Poles and their willing sacrifice... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-cry.gif ...makes me want to... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-bigcry.gif




Quote[/b] ]I was the defender. Formed the line. Saw some sarahan cavalry trying to flank. Sent the saracens to cover the flank. When saracens arrived I repositioned them to form a better depth defence. THEN WHAT HAPPENED? All of the turned their back and got stuck (bug) in that formation. Sarahans charged the saracen idiots who were supposed to cover my a** and the penetrated into my defensive line. I tried to send troops to cover the gap but I was playing expert, Almohads made a very good attack and others routed when they saw the flank falling. It was really embarrassing. One unit caused the doom of all.
A bug? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif That's horrible http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif




Quote[/b] ]Aymar I really dont understand why lost the battle. You wiped out everybody but still lost??
Me neither. After every remaining enemy soldier left the field, in the objectives screen, I found that one of the objectives was to capture or kill each of the enemy Kings. Since I couldn't catch the Danish one (he runs awfully fast BTW), I lost. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Ludens]

That is a very good story, Monk. You really have got a knack for telling tales of men in desperate situations. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Monk]

Quote[/b] (Ludens @ Jan. 19 2004,10:52)]That is a very good story, Monk. You really have got a knack for telling tales of men in desperate situations. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
I also have a knack for getting them into desperate situations, but not out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (Monk @ Jan. 19 2004,16:59)]
Quote[/b] (Ludens @ Jan. 19 2004,10:52)]That is a very good story, Monk. You really have got a knack for telling tales of men in desperate situations. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
I also have a knack for getting them into desperate situations, but not out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
LOL

Then KEEP them in desperate situations, so you can write longer stories about their struggles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[johnnybrigante]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Jan. 19 2004,00:39)]
Quote[/b] ]não entendi patavinas
Não entendeste o quê? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
não entendi patavinas é uma expressão popular (e antiga) de algumas regiões do brasil para não entendi nada. mas o que é uma patavina....... está além dos meus conhecimentos http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flat.gif

[Aleksandr Nevsky]

Definetly those defeats where you think there is no point in commanding the attack yourself, you just know you have such an overpowering army...so you resolve it automatically and your army gets their ass kicked...so frustrating.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]não entendi patavinas é uma expressão popular (e antiga) de algumas regiões do brasil para não entendi nada. mas o que é uma patavina....... está além dos meus conhecimentos
Oh, meu caro johnnybrigante http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Eu conheço bem a expressão http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Usamo-la, desde sempre, cá em Portugal. É de origem Portuguesa e não Brasileira. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

Eu retirei isto de um dicionário de Português (de Portugal http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif ):

Patavina - Expressão popular: Coisa nenhuma; nada; É idiota, não percebe patavina. M. Proveniência Beirã: Pateta, asno, idiota. (Relaciona-se com Patavino).

Patavino - Adjectivo: Relativo a Pádua. M. Habitante de Pádua. (Do latim patavinus).


O que eu te estava a perguntar era o que é que não tinhas percebido da batalha... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif

[Demequis]

My most frustrating defeat is my whole series of games with the HRE (medmod, early, normal). I gave up after my 7th game....I will try again later.

Oh and also I sent a stack of billmen from mercia (upgraded) to rout some danes....confident in the superior quality of my troops I charged up a steep hill and was swiftly routed myself :)

[Thon]

first battle with the horde, 4,000 of them vs 1,000 of my troops. i wasn't prepared and almost a quarter of my troops were CMAA, not ideal against an almost entire cavalry army.

my men stood their ground for nearly two hours, but the constant peppering of arrows from their heavy horse archers was too much. with the entire army exhausted, and half dead, they broke and fled. i also lost one of my 6 star generals in that battle.

the horde drove me back to lithuania where i've dug in and turned them back battle after battle for the past 20 years.

[johnnybrigante]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Jan. 20 2004,12:58)]
Quote[/b] ]não entendi patavinas é uma expressão popular (e antiga) de algumas regiões do brasil para não entendi nada. mas o que é uma patavina....... está além dos meus conhecimentos
Oh, meu caro johnnybrigante http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Eu conheço bem a expressão http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Usamo-la, desde sempre, cá em Portugal. É de origem Portuguesa e não Brasileira. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

Eu retirei isto de um dicionário de Português (de Portugal http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif ):

Patavina - Expressão popular: Coisa nenhuma; nada; É idiota, não percebe patavina. M. Proveniência Beirã: Pateta, asno, idiota. (Relaciona-se com Patavino).

Patavino - Adjectivo: Relativo a Pádua. M. Habitante de Pádua. (Do latim patavinus).


O que eu te estava a perguntar era o que é que não tinhas percebido da batalha... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif
não é à toa que eu não sabia o que era
mas agora que voce explicou faz sentido, é mais ou menos como a origem de palerma. não sei qual o problema com Pádua mas deve ser semelhante....

agora só falta eu descobrir agora que rebimboca da parafuseta também é de portugal e não do brasil http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

o que eu não tinha entendido a princípio é como você tinha perdido a batalha apesar de ter massacrado seus oponentes, mas isto já foi explicado.

p.s.: ouvi há muito tempo atrás que o uso de você em portugal era (ou é) pejorativo. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif se ainda for, não o usei com este intento http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif é o normal por aqui. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif



(annoying isn't it)

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]não é à toa que eu não sabia o que era
Pois é http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

O Português do Brasil já possui muitas diferenças linguísticas de origem local. Como tal, para algumas expressões antigas oriundas do Português, a origem torna-se difusa.




Quote[/b] ]agora só falta eu descobrir agora que rebimboca da parafuseta também é de portugal e não do brasil
HEHEHEHEHE http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Não Essa é mesmo Brasileira... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif




Quote[/b] ]o que eu não tinha entendido a princípio é como você tinha perdido a batalha apesar de ter massacrado seus oponentes, mas isto já foi explicado.
OK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif




Quote[/b] ]ouvi há muito tempo atrás que o uso de você em portugal era (ou é) pejorativo. se ainda for, não o usei com este intento é o normal por aqui.
Não Não há problema Não é pejorativo http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

O você também é utilizado, mas é um termo mais formal. É utilizado para quando não se tem um certo grau de descontração a falar com determinada pessoa.

Só pode ser interpretado como pejorativo entre pessoas que se conhecem bem. Ou seja, a pessoa que é alvo do tratamento, fica a perguntar ao outro o que que se passa por este o estar a tratar formalmente e não com descontração. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Gregoshi]

I think Aymar and johnny are talking about us. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]I think Aymar and johnny are talking about us.
Sorry everyone http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif

Just discussing the origin of some Portuguese linguistic expressions, and the differences between Portuguese, as spoken in Portugal and as spoken in Brasil.

[Gregoshi]

Yeah, right. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif You were probably talking about who is the biggest dork here. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Yeah, right. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif You were probably talking about who is the biggest dork here. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh4.gif

[Gen_Lee]

Hehehe, ja vi que a comunidade de Mtw tambem esta cheia de Portugueses e brasileiros http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[somethingbrite]

I have suffered stunning/annoying/humiliating defeats too numerous to mention.
The ones that stick in my mind (and my throat) are mostly of a similar variety though.

Early in the game, usually as a western european king, most memorably on a few occasions as King of England. With poorly equipped low tech/low valour troops and inexperienced low valour commanders. (Spearmen, Urban militia, archers, Hobilars that kind of thing.) Often the first battle that I have had to defend in a region that has not yet been invaded and is isloated from freindly neighbours. - Aquitaine as English is good example)

The merciless frontal assault.
Troops lined up in a good defensive position, spears and stuff thrust forward to repel the invader at point of steel, archers lined up in front to pepper the enemy then retreating behind my defensive line to keep doing their job safely.
The entire enemy force just STORMS my defensive line, they move so fast that the archers seem to bring too few down as they advance, our lines meet, my line wavers under the weight of their shock attack, soon they have broken through and my guys are running for their mothers.

I have played this game quite a lot, but this type of attack always seems to defeat low valour troops no matter how you manouver them, thrusting expendable forces into the oncoming horde can slow their advance sometimes enough to give the archers a chance but often the result is the same as they break from the fray in fear the rest waver and its all over.

But all is fair in love and war. Nurse the wounds in hiding until your force is strong enough and higher valour troops are available then head back to wreak vengance.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Hehehe, ja vi que a comunidade de Mtw tambem esta cheia de Portugueses e brasileiros
Exacto Há uns 9 ou 10 Portugas na ORG http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Chubb]

I remember onceplaying Shogun WE, I hd conquered the whole of Japan save one rebel province and then y heirless daimyo died. I could have taken them out at any time but I waited so I could concentrate on destroying the Hojo. I was not plased.

[Teutonic Knight]

It appears as if I shall beat Gregoshi to the punch of Welcoming you to the Org Chubb


well....Welcome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif


chubby.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif


To Aymar: Stop speakin' yur moonman language

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Welcome to the ORG, Chubb http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

That Shogun defeat was surelly bitter... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-sad3.gif




Quote[/b] ]To Aymar: Stop speakin' yur moonman language

*poses in a BAD PUNK pose, while looking himself in the mirror*

You're talking to ME? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif


*draws a .357 Magnum pointing at his reflexion*

I said: Are you're talking to MEEE?... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif




http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif LOL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif LOL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[afroide]

Mine was with a stacked spanish army vs some lowly turks.

I had (IIRC), 4 lancers, 4 CMAA, 4 CS, 2 Jinettes. All were fully upgraded on armor/attack, and I had a 7 star general. The reason I lost is that I used a frontal assault uphill in the desert. It still chafed though, as I'd have expected the immense unit vs unit superiority would have won the day.


On the other hand, my favorite victory was 2 of said lancer units with NO GENERAL, against a 1000 man (give or take) french mixed army (including royal knights, chivalric knights, chivalric men at arms, and chivalric seargants). The funny thing is, I didn't even have enough units to do more than a frontal assault. Final tally was something like 20 lost, and 600 killed or captured :)

[Gen_Lee]

Quote[/b] (Teutonic Knight @ Jan. 22 2004,13:43)]It appears as if I shall beat Gregoshi to the punch of Welcoming you to the Org Chubb


well....Welcome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif


chubby.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif


To Aymar: Stop speakin' yur moonman language
http://www.krysstal.com/spoken.html
Not bad a 7th place for a moonman language
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Gen_Lee]

Or 6th
http://www.le.ac.uk/enginee....rld.htm (http://www.le.ac.uk/engineering/fss1/The%20most%20spoken%20languages%20in%20the%20world.htm)
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Sun Tzui]

My most frustrating defeat just happened the day before yesterday http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif

I was playing as the Byzantines, and was attacking the spanish. Unfortunately, I had engaged in hostilities with the golden horde, and had sent all my professional army to defend georgia. The spanish had a small 600 men army with 80% cavalry (Sergeants, Jinetes and some Knights). I sent in some 2000 infantry....Trebizond archers, pikemen, and my 7 star general in a Kathaprakoi unit (only had one 1 honour Byz Infantry besides that).

The AI lured me into a corner of the map where i was able to position my troops on a hill...my army marched in perfect formation, following the enemy Cav and few Inf units he had. And then, all hall broke loose http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif as soon as i started to shoot arrows at them, his whole army attacked me HEADFRONT http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_fainting.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_knight.gif

In just 3 minutes they routed my forces http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/jawdrop.gif


All my reinforcements were chased out of field...all my troops routed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsdown.gif My General escaped alone in shame http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-end.gif

Final score : Spanish dead 60
Byzantine Dead 1500, imprisoned 420
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-disappointed.gif

[o_loompah_the_delayer]

The most annoying I have had was as the Turks against Byz defending Constantinople.

Me: 6* camel general, several saracen inf, futu adn turcoman foot, a couple of ghazis and two khwarizm, all valour 3-4. I have more men.

Byz: 7* kata prince, several Byz inf, one trebz archer,one bulgarian brigand some xbows, another kataprats, some peasants. all valour 3-5.

no special V&Vs either way.

I put my men on top of a hill, saracens in front, futu/turc bhind with ghazi and khwarizm on the flanks. The byz simply marched right up hte hill even as I peppered them with arrows. By the time they got to the top of the hill they were down to 70-80 men and engaged my saracen inf. I try to sandwich the byz gen with my khawarizm and keepp the other kataprat busy with one saracen inf. When the time is right I send in the ghazis to flank and futu/turc to the melee. Do the byz inf collapse? Nope, they win even though outnumbered and surrounded Then as the final coup de grace the kata rout my saracen inf and turn on the melee whacking me very badly I send in the camels against the kataprats - my general runs away and the army routs

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Not bad a 7th place for a moonman language

Quote[/b] ]Or 6th
GREAT answer, Gen_Lee http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

That will teach him not to mess with the Portuguese Faction http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

I feel for you both, Sun Tzui and o_loompah http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-cry.gif



Quote[/b] ]Final score : Spanish dead 60
Byzantine Dead 1500, imprisoned 420
What a DISASTER http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

[71-hour Ahmed]

The worst defeats are always when the battle goesto a knife edge, with both armies engaged in a now ragged order, the generals on both sides embattled or dead and no reserves left.

then at the point where victory for me is inevitable, when the enemy is being surrounded as some units are wiped out, when I am six inches from success, a couple of peasants or archers run...routing the whole army with the morale impact.

the worst part is: if they held their ground a little more they'd live, but when they break they are all slaughtered. The logical course is to fight on another 15 seconds and win. But they don't seem to realise this.I don't mind a defeat I deserve, its the ones where they are so stuuuuupid that bug.