I *HATE* ransom!!!!!

[Finn]

chased the heirless almohad king half way around spain trying to kill him, *THREE* times, he was captured but my brave generals ransomed him back to the almohads

WHY????

is there any way to stop the automatic ransom back of captured troops without cpaturing him in battle? (in all cases he was captured by either running off the map, or retreating from the fight when there were no neighbouring provedences - so i didnt get the chance to execute prisoners)

[Basileus]

I persume your auto resolving eh?

if thats the case he´ll get ransomed, if you fight the battle your self if you capture him then kill the prisoners you have and he´ll be executed.

[Finn]

nope, he wasnt captured in the battle screen, in one case he retreated from the fight, but had nowhere to retreat to so his entre army was captured and ransomed back to an entirely different providence (seemed a bit dodgy to me, AI pays 13k to get its army warped out of the providence i had the king trapped in, to an entirely different providence that had minimal tropps in so i had minimal troops surrounding.

the other 2 cases he escaped off the map before i could catch him, again had no providences to escape to so was auto-captured and auto-ransomed back.

[Basileus]

get some alans or jinettes somekind of light cav mercs could do and hunt him down heh or use an assasin on him http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[makkyo]

Must kill mankind
-Homer Simpson
Must kill enemy generals
-Me

[Finn]

Well i got him in the end, but only once i had taken every almohad providence, and it was hard work, my initial attack had involved arrowing straight through there territory making a beeline for the king and mainly ignoring the others which i had hoped to bribe once they were rebel

[Revenant69]

Quote[/b] (Finn @ Jan. 21 2004,17:52)]nope, he wasnt captured in the battle screen, in one case he retreated from the fight, but had nowhere to retreat to so his entre army was captured and ransomed back to an entirely different providence (seemed a bit dodgy to me, AI pays 13k to get its army warped out of the providence i had the king trapped in, to an entirely different providence that had minimal tropps in so i had minimal troops surrounding.

the other 2 cases he escaped off the map before i could catch him, again had no providences to escape to so was auto-captured and auto-ransomed back.
I think the word you want to use is province. Providence means something quite different. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif

[makkyo]

I wonder if you can choose to accept or decline the bribe, in which case you execute the enemy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[afroide]

That stabby button near the bottom left corner of your screen in the tactical mode does more than just make cool and gory noises.... I think....

[Imperial Buffoon]

Quote[/b] (makkyo @ Jan. 21 2004,17:23)]I wonder if you can choose to accept or decline the bribe, in which case you execute the enemy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
I don't think you can, but you should
I think once you have a royal (or any noble) captive, you should be able to accept or decline ransoming him, just as you choose whether to execute rebellions or not. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif
I'm no use at modding, but does anyone know whether this is moddable?

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (Imperial Buffoon @ Jan. 23 2004,12:04)]
Quote[/b] (makkyo @ Jan. 21 2004,17:23)]I wonder if you can choose to accept or decline the bribe, in which case you execute the enemy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
I don't think you can, but you should
I think once you have a royal (or any noble) captive, you should be able to accept or decline ransoming him, just as you choose whether to execute rebellions or not. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif
I'm no use at modding, but does anyone know whether this is moddable?
Medieval code was that a noble who had surrendered, gave his parole to his capturer. The noble was then free to do as he pleased, because his honour forbade him to flee his capturer and thus break his parole. Of course, it was very bad form to kill someone who gave his parole, since parole was supposed to work both ways (if you accepted the parole, you implicitly promised the nobleman that would release him when his ransom was payed).
Anyway, it was mostly the noble families who supplied the ransom for captured relatives, not the king.

I'm afraid that the randsom procedure is hard-coded and not moddable. But I wouldn't really know this, since I'm not a modder myself.

[SmokWawelski]

Like Ludens said, prisoners of noble blood had some sort of a medieval Geneva convention working for them, so their life was to be respected if they survived the battle. Thus ransom is a little more rational in such light.

The idea of sending light cavalry in pursuit is ok, as long as it can actually do any damage to the fleeing bodyguards - sometimes, they might just get waisted...

[.:vVv:.Monkey]

Quote[/b] (afroide @ Jan. 22 2004,21:06)]That stabby button near the bottom left corner of your screen in the tactical mode does more than just make cool and gory noises.... I think....
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif yep...whenever I capture a high ranking enemy general, king, heir, I make sure that I hit that little button so that there are no ransom issues later http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Kulgan]

I find the ransom part of the game not as good as it can be.
For instance I would like to see the amount of ransom money I would get from a certan number of captured enemies.
And there should be options to kill all but the nobles and or princes.
Who wouldn't want the 10000 florins king ransom and let his 700 troops you captured get killed?

[Ludens]

Ironically, something similar happened to me. I've just started my first MTW campaign (Egyptians, easy, as not fall into the traps made for unsuspecting ex-Shoguns) and I find it impossible to dispose of captured soldiers once the battle is over. No, I do not auto-resolve. Yes, it even happened when my Sultan commanded the battle. Always, the enemy soldiers are ransomed back. I do not want this. I do not need money, but I do need soldiers. The last thing I want is to fight the same Turks / Almohads again Is this something specific to Islamic factions? Or does it have something to do with me activating auto-tax?

[Monk]

Ransom, its a word not to many people like to see on their screen in mtw, but it can be very useful. In war i show mercy to my enemies, one time. If they invade and lose, then i ransom back the lot and gain some money, however if they come back wanting another arse kicking, i'm happy to oblige. Only this time, when the battle has wrapped up i click that knife button at the bottom and execute all prisoners no matter how many there are. The AI takes note really quickly that you are serious and they think twice before trying the same.

[Glory]

Just ransom him back for alot of money and build a army to destory him again. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Serpent]

Lainaa[/b] (Monk @ Helmi 06 2004,15:09)]Ransom, its a word not to many people like to see on their screen in mtw, but it can be very useful. In war i show mercy to my enemies, one time. If they invade and lose, then i ransom back the lot and gain some money, however if they come back wanting another arse kicking, i'm happy to oblige. Only this time, when the battle has wrapped up i click that knife button at the bottom and execute all prisoners no matter how many there are. The AI takes note really quickly that you are serious and they think twice before trying the same.

Lainaa[/b] ]Ironically, something similar happened to me. I've just started my first MTW campaign (Egyptians, easy, as not fall into the traps made for unsuspecting ex-Shoguns) and I find it impossible to dispose of captured soldiers once the battle is over. No, I do not auto-resolve. Yes, it even happened when my Sultan commanded the battle. Always, the enemy soldiers are ransomed back. I do not want this. I do not need money, but I do need soldiers. The last thing I want is to fight the same Turks / Almohads again Is this something specific to Islamic factions? Or does it have something to do with me activating auto-tax?

Well I play whit Turks and i kill every almohad Peasant that I can KILL I won take any prisoners. Problem here is that morale suffers little bit and if you repeat this enough you get butcher and blood lover or something.This way I just have to make sure there more kills than they produce their men or this is just non stop slaying.

What comes to the units that left the battle but had no place to go.... well you just have to make sure that you have all of them then there is a change that they just dont have afforded bay ransom money.Put use spy´s if enemy has too much troops to play around trap them and if they lose they also will loose all of them.... Influence should drop too and soon they are in civil war and that goo for you.... Sale Free Provinces http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-party2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Ludens]

All very interesting, but not very helpful, I'm afraid. It's early in the game, so I need to take them out quick because I cannot produce the units to survive a prolonged war. Anyway, my unit producing provinces turn out only basic units. So I need to kill every bastard that goes up on me. Ransom? I don't need money I need men And the last thing I could use is the troops I have so carefully defeated going up against me again

How do I stop ransoming?
What is causing this?

[Monk]

Quote[/b] (Ludens @ Feb. 06 2004,17:42)]How do I stop ransoming?
What is causing this?
Whats causing it is an ideal called Chivalry http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif even the Egyptians have it apparently

the only way a ransom can be refused is if:

1. your general has significant dread.

2. the enemy refuses

3. slaughtering those captured on the battlefield and not waiting for the campaign map report.

Thats all i can think of at the least. But there is no way to completely stop it i don't think. Of course i never had a bit problem with it.

[Oberstein]

Do high dread generals often slaughter their captives? Fantastic