gaining ranks

[Great Khan]

Greetings from the Great Khan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

I've just graduated to MTW:VI after a few months of the origianl MTW. This game rocks by the way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

Anyway, in most of my previous campaigns in MTW I used to auto resolve the battles. Now I just command all the battles personally. I've noticed that I could get battle virtues like skilled attacker, assaulter easily when I used autoresolve. No matter how minimal my losses were in batles I commanded personlly I cannot get these virtues anymore.

So what exactly is the criteria for gaining these virtues? What is the ratio of losses/kills to get them?

[Gregoshi]

Greeting oh Great Khan and welcome to the Org. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

I do know someone around here has the answer you seek. I also know that person is not me.

[Quokka]

The gaining of those virtues has nothing to do with the amount of losses that you take in a battle it has more to do with the number of men you take into battle.

Obviously you need to keep winning attacks to get the Skilled Attacker virtue but you also have to do it with less men than the defender has. If you consistently win attacks using smaller armies than the defender you should gain the Skilled Attacker. I DO find it harder to get this virtue than the Skilled Defender which is gained by winning the defensive battles with smaller armies than the attacker. I am not sure of the exact difference required be it 1 man less or 10% less just that it is definitely less.

I don't know for sure about Skilled Assaulter as I have rarely ever got it, but I am pretty sure its in the same vein and you have to take Castles.

It is also possible to get Skilled Risky Attacker and Skilled Last Stand. Both of these require that you be outnumbered at least 2:1.

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (Quokka @ Jan. 24 2004,12:01)]It is also possible to get Skilled Risky Attacker and Skilled Last Stand. Both of these require that you be outnumbered at least 2:1.
So I would get skilled risky attacker when I defeated peasant revolt-armies consisting of 5000 peasants with an army consisting of 2000 chivalric knights / sergeants / men-at-arms? Doesn't sound very risky to me...

[Quokka]

Quote[/b] (Ludens @ Jan. 24 2004,18:07)]So I would get skilled risky attacker when I defeated peasant revolt-armies consisting of 5000 peasants with an army consisting of 2000 chivalric knights / sergeants / men-at-arms? Doesn't sound very risky to me...
Yes, your Knights might die of boredom but thats the risk they take.
You have to win more than one battle to get each virtue, but then again what that is just another reason to keep a rebellious province as a training ground. Portugal, Scotland and Livonia spring to mind.

[Aelwyn]

You don't necessarily have to win more than one battle to get a virtue. I got skilled defender (the one you get when you're outnumbered more than 2:1) after one battle. It was pretty early on, with no other battles being fought by that general, so thats how I know. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif But some do take more than one game. And many of the bad ones get worse as you fight more battles. Like if you continue to kill prisoners every battle for instance.

[Lord of the morning]

You dont have to win often or a certan percentage of your battles to gained skilled attacker, you have to win once outnumbered by the right factor, for skilled I think its something like 3:2, I know its less than 2:1.

[Basileus]

Quokka nicely explained http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

Skilled Assaulter or specialist Assaulter are tough to get, i got skilled once when i had 500 kills and 200 losses that i remember.

[bighairyman]

i don't think the ratio matters. i have been training a general, with an amry of 1824 soldiers, and he climed up the ranks of the attack virtue, now he has the attack virtue where u get + 3 command when attacking. i think u just need to win battles.


BTW, i see now we have a spellcheck, that's good news , ihad also been a bad speller. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[katar]

Quote[/b] ]i see now we have a spellcheck

does it turn everything into american-english or english-english? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Basileus]

Quote[/b] (bighairyman @ Jan. 24 2004,22:47)]i don't think the ratio matters. i have been training a general, with an amry of 1824 soldiers, and he climed up the ranks of the attack virtue, now he has the attack virtue where u get + 3 command when attacking. i think u just need to win battles.
Nope it aint so, ratio matters and how you win battles..you need to kill almost double/tripple the amount of what you lose http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[makkyo]

Quote[/b] ]does it turn everything into american-english or english-english?
Who cares? Still the same lingo... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Quote[/b] (makkyo @ Jan. 25 2004,15:27)]
Quote[/b] ]does it turn everything into american-english or english-english?
Who cares? Still the same lingo... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
BLASPHEME http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Paxx]

I think that the topic title refers to ranks and NOT to virtues http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Great Khan]

..you have to win once outnumbered by the right factor, for skilled I think its something like 3:2, I know its less than 2:1.[QUOTE]

Ok I decided to test this out. Began a new campaign as the Danes took Pomerania and waited for a revolt. Sure enough there was one with 640 men(240 Slav Javelinmen + 400 Slav Warriors). I took them all out with just 300 men(240 Vikings, 20 Royals and 40 Horsemen). I lost 30 men, killed about 200 and captured another 300. Did I get a Skilled Defender? No, not even a gain in @#$* rank http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif So I thought maybe another of these revolts would do. The next year there was a revolt with 100 spearmen. My 20 Royal Knights slaughtered them after losing only 1 man, capturing 60 and killing 40 men. But guess what, no Skilled Defender or even a rank bonus http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif

Oh well. I then attacked Prussia with my heir (to train him). After that there was a revolt with 2*100 spearmen. I defended with 20 Royals and 47 Viking Landsmen. But this time I autoresolved the battle. I lost 20 men, dunno how many I captured. AND THEN.....my heir became a Skilled Defender Just one battle...wtf http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

Maybe the number of kills is also a major factor besides the ratio.

[Mummer]

Once, as the Byzantines, one of the old heirs who had since passed into a normal General (Or his successor, don't remember, this is ages ago.) was able to get up to 8 stars, and he eventually obtained BOTH expert attacker and expert defender.

I DO remember that he eventually became a drunkard, which took away from his dignity, but he was still incredible because he had expert attacker/defender. I haven't gotten either of those for some time, however.