my knights aren't getting a Valor bonus...

[Servius]

I have an odd problem. For some reason, when I train Feudal, Chivalric, or Royal Knights with a Master Horse Breeder, they don't get any Valor bonus. When I train Hobilars and Mounted Sergeants in the same province, they DO get a valor bonus, and so do Turcopoles I'm training in Antioch with a MHB (they're getting 2 due to the Antioch bonus).

If my Hobilars, Mounted Sergeants, and Turcopoles are getting the valor bonus, then the problem isn't with the MHB is it? The only modding I've done to Knights and not to the light cav is making the knights PREFERRED or something for general candidacy. They don't have a valor handicap, I checked that too. Anyone got any ideas about this?

[CeeBod]

Hobilars only require the horsey type building to train, so Master Horse Breeder gives +1 Valour to them, and the same counts for Turcopoles, but other units that have multiple build requirements - like Knights, often seem to need something else to be master level to get that +1 Bonus.

IIRC you only get that +1 valour for your knights, if both the horse breeder, and the Royal Estate-type building (Baronial Court?) are at master level.

If anyone knows in greater depth what master level buildings you need for some of the other multiple build requirement units, I'd find that useful myself http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Basileus]

Well Royal Knights will not get any valor from MHB but chivalric and feudal should, i think so anyways havent been playing in a while now.

[Servius]

I think the problem is with the unit, not the building. I may have messed something up in modding, but I can't think of the easy value that I should fix. I'll be damned if I have to build a MHB AND a Master Swordsmith or Spearmaker to get a measily +1 valor for my knights.

The other thing that's suspicious is that I have made a change to those three units (Royal, Feudal, and Chivalric Knights) that I haven't made to the other cavalry, that being the general candidate status. I also fiddled with the dismountability, but I did that with Mounted Sergeants too and they still get the valor bonus so...

Any other ideas?

[Basileus]

Quote[/b] (Servius1234 @ Jan. 27 2004,09:27)]I think the problem is with the unit, not the building. I may have messed something up in modding, but I can't think of the easy value that I should fix. I'll be damned if I have to build a MHB AND a Master Swordsmith or Spearmaker to get a measily +1 valor for my knights.

The other thing that's suspicious is that I have made a change to those three units (Royal, Feudal, and Chivalric Knights) that I haven't made to the other cavalry, that being the general candidate status. I also fiddled with the dismountability, but I did that with Mounted Sergeants too and they still get the valor bonus so...

Any other ideas?
Like i said your royal knights should not get valor from MHB, your chivalric and feudal should, you could try asking for a clean CRUSADERS_UNIT_PROD11.TXT and check if you still get the same problem, save you own copy unitprod somewhere else if you still want to keep it..you´ll propably find out if that was the problem.

[Servius]

yeah, I mean, I have the original saved in another folder. I was more curious about which value could have fudged this up. I'll just copy the FK, CK, and RK lines from the original file to the current one so I don't lose all the other stuff I've done.

[Ironside]

FK and CK get their valor bonus from the Baronial Court and have never gotten it from the MHB. I have no idea how the game decides witch building you'll need to max to get the valor bonus though.

[Servius]

hmm, it might be either in the unit_prod file, in the order of buildings required for each unit, or maybe in the build_prod file, if Royal Court is listed as a Unit Producing building. I'll fiddle around and see.

In the mean time, in your opinion, which building should knights rely on to get their valor bonus, the horse breeder or the court? How it should be is how I'll make it.