You enter a game and find. . .

[ichi]

You enter a 4v4 MP game and find 4 veteran clan members hunting as a pack on the other team. On your team is timmy1989, Boogerpicker, and mostxclntbongboy.

What do you do?

ichi

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Lol

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

Gah

If I enter a 4v4 as the last guy, I assume I have no clan brother or sister around... So... If I enter in a game at random, just because setting looks good, with no knowledge beforehand of who I'd play with, well, then that's the luck of the pot.

I do remember once winning a rather one sided game vs a supposedly superior team... It felt really good.

But my allies could not quite figure out why I was so happy.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif

But many host and players, including Ichi here asking, will switch by themselves if they feel it is a little too one sided.

The only exception I'll make is with fellow [FF]; then I don't care who we face, and most of the time I'll stick with my fellows.

Louis,

[Swoosh So]

Quote[/b] (ichi @ Jan. 28 2004,00:01)]You enter a 4v4 MP game and find 4 veteran clan members hunting as a pack on the other team. On your team is timmy1989, Boogerpicker, and mostxclntbongboy.

What do you do?

ichi
lmao

[tootee]

play on as best as possible by making the best decisions possible to achieve the best possible results.. and killing more than i lost.

[Kongamato]

Either find a way to use the allies as human shields to pick your spots and get a high kill count, or like that last option said, experiment with something wacky, like the v2 Halberdiers on Hold Formation with Javelin support.

[The Witch-King]

First I would try to formulate a semblance of a plan with my allies, advicing extreme caution (considering the fact our opponents are experienced vets), then fight to the best of my ability, trying to rout at least one of my opponents and getting a somewhat respectable killcount and hoping timmy1989 happens to be Napoleon reincarnated as a 14-year old boy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Tempiic]

Depending on the quality of my unknown allies... sometimes they are poor, sometimes they are not that bad at all, I'll grap the oppertunity to see how I will perform under very bad circumstances (ie getting doubled or perhaps tripled)... Since my chances of winning on my own are very slim, I think I will also try to help my allies out with advice and suggestions... which really depends on their attitudes...

I will still have the desperate hope that timmy1989 is actually a vet undercover

[Brutal DLX]

Let's see...

Ask timmy how things are in Southpark, ask bongboy to share and boogerpicker not to, then try to take charge and if that fails play it like a 1v4.

[Puzz3D]

I play anyway, but as soon as I see one of my "don't have a clue" allies get blown out by a clan doubleteam and one of my other allies didn't buy any upgrades, I rout my army.

[Lechev]

Firstly i'll inform my allies to expect a tough fight. Then i'll caution them on not to bring in the spears and give suggestions on what units to bring in. I'll always inform them to form up a line first and try to support each other.

After all this has been done, i'll try to score a high kill as much as i can and provide support if necessary unless my ally went for a suicide frontal attack.

Its always a rewarding experience if we r able to defeat a more experience opponents even though our opponent maybe from a new clan. If i see any potentials in my allies i'll get him to play a 1v1 wif me and give him some guidance on units combination and some simple movements and tactics so in future if we get to be allies i know i have a better chance.

[t1master]

ichi,

you forgot, 'inform your opponents that they are about to be destroyed by the phearsome kerns'

i would take a whacky army and have fun, javelins can get some kills...

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[_Hector_]

funny you should ask but i enter into a situation similar to the question and was left with the feeling of "things can't get any worse so enjoy ", we won the game and i got over 1000 kills. Yea, i was pleased but it also taught me a good lesson. Given the situation, just enjoy and then you might be given a surprise.

cheers

p.s. non of my allies were routed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-gossip.gif

[Mithrandir]

I'd start with telling my teamm8s to buy valour, then pick an army with reasonable inf, but stronger cav/camel combo to help out my allies.

then when the battle starts and I see one ally with 16 alan cavs (faced it once), one with spearmen,urban militia&peasants and one with a cav/sword army (undercover player) I'll cry and hope for the best.


either that or I'll take a rush army and hope to kill at least 1,2 enemy before the battle fully starts http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Mithrandir]

btw. I was one of the vast majority to vote to take charge.

[Orda Khan]

Quote[/b] (Lechev @ Jan. 28 2004,14:48)]Firstly i'll inform my allies to expect a tough fight. Then i'll caution them on not to bring in the spears and give suggestions on what units to bring in. I'll always inform them to form up a line first and try to support each other.

After all this has been done, i'll try to score a high kill as much as i can and provide support if necessary unless my ally went for a suicide frontal attack.

Its always a rewarding experience if we r able to defeat a more experience opponents even though our opponent maybe from a new clan. If i see any potentials in my allies i'll get him to play a 1v1 wif me and give him some guidance on units combination and some simple movements and tactics so in future if we get to be allies i know i have a better chance.
We need more of this IMO....Well said Lechev

.....Orda

[Marco]

I usually try and get myself on one of the flanks, make sure I am not doubled with my positioning and try my hardest to beat the guy in front. Sometimes you get a shock when you look across and find out Timmy is an undercover vet and is covering your flank with skillful maneovres.

[Nigel]

LOL, excellent idea for a poll http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Well, things beeing as they are, I myself am probably noob #4 in this setting. So I really do hope that timmy1989 is this undercover vet who will take charge and pull us together to at least a half way decent fight.

If not, I'll try to take charge myself. Inform the other guys that we don't really stand a chance and that we can count it a success if we can get at least one of them to get sweaty hands before we all get killed. Then, when the battle is over, I work on them again, trying to dispell the "I want to go back to single player games" feeling.

And you never know. We may just win. There is alwas hope and amazing things have been known to happen. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[AMPage]

I stay and fight it out. I play against the odds a lot, so i'm use to getting double team it's just part of the game. And i love it when it's the clan that's defending against newbies, that enjoy picking off newbies units one by one cause they don't know how to move them all at the sametime.

I use to try and help out the newbies, but either they have no clue what i'm talking about or they already think they know what thier doing and try telling me what to do. So i've given up on that and just play the game mostly trying to stay away from my allies. I'd rather get doubled than chain routed by an ally. :)

[Aleborg]

Just play and enjoy.

[LadyAnn]

I stay and play on.

I would quit game if my clanmate can't make it because room is full.Or clanmate just came out of a game and this game doesn't start yet. It is part of being in a clan.

Now I would stay and play on and try new tactics or new army. Consider it a learning experience.

I wouldn't ask for "balancing the team out" because if the clan side want to do that, they would voluntarily offer it. Perhaps they are in training session. Perhaps they want to try something new as a team.

As AMP, I try to stop dishing out unsolicitated advices. Only take charge if asked. But sometimes I feel am a noob again, and have the urge to take charge. I do tell my allies what I am doing, and request help. Some actually are keen to help.

I played on and observe.
- I observe how my army fair against the season opponents.
- I observe how the opponents move together.
- I observe how they buy armies and how they use them.
- I try to see if I don't protect my pav, what they would do.
- I try to see who is the weakest link of the pact.
- I try to attack one of them to see if they come to help.
- I keep eyes open for vets undercover, perhaps materials for my gossip collumn.

Sometimes I forgot to change color to take central position. Take center may avoid me to be doubled sometimes and get ridiculed by the newbies. And I may be able to help them by taking charge at center. So I may ask to give me the Almohad color.

At center, I may be able to support newbie allies, who like to charge ahead with their spears army.

So, most of time, it is a waste of time playing on the inexperienced side. But sometimes you could make out something and sometimes get a good recruit out of it.

Annie

[Kas]

I really enjoy those games...and die a honourable death.

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[1dread1lahll]

I voted to unplug.....of late there seems to be a lot of noobs about, i guess thats a good thing,... but seems like time not best spent if thier in game with you;....

[Kas]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif them perhaps a bit?

[Aggony1Knight]

Yeah You missed the option 'Pray to god there veterans on ronin tag' lol

But yeah i usually give em suggestions but dont boss around. I am nice to em and try n give em a crash course of very very basic stuff.

-A1K

[ichi]

Excellent responses all. I try to help out if there is any hope of that working, then try to die and honorable death, maybe learn something.

I'm usually ok with it (just remind self this is just a game) until I see the army next to me has no valor upgrades. Worse than that was the attempt to explain to me that the 'extremely high valor two unit army as a secret weapon' - "Dude just hold him while I go for his Gen - works every time"

timmy, err.... I mean

ichi

[Aelwyn]

I agree with a lot of what I've seen. And sometimes I'm undercover, so I don't put it past the others. And why worry if all 3 look new, it only takes 1 person in the 4th position facing the wrong way with no valour to wreck a game. In that case I usually hope I'm in 3rd position, and maybe rush a bit earlier, provided my nearest ally can provide some sort of support.

[Dionysus9]

Timma

[Kas]

But also...I'm sometimes amazed why those "brave" hunters often refuse to even it out. I don't ask for it, but it's a bit pathetic when FluffyPuppy desperatly tries to get on the defenders() side only to be kicked off to the other side again. "Whe play together as a clan". Fluffy...now close to a mental breakdown: "Can I join your clan?". Brave clan guys: " http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif"...so Fluffy shuffles off to receive another bashing in a quick and not so epic battle.

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ichi]

Quote[/b] (Kas @ Jan. 29 2004,02:05)]But also...I'm sometimes amazed why those "brave" hunters often refuse to even it out. I don't ask for it, but it's a bit pathetic when FluffyPuppy desperatly tries to get on the defenders() side only to be kicked off to the other side again. "Whe play together as a clan". Fluffy...now close to a mental breakdown: "Can I join your clan?". Brave clan guys: " http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif"...so Fluffy shuffles off to receive another bashing in a quick and not so epic battle.

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
LMAO

Its twue, its twue

ichi

[Lord Rom]

Hmmm...I usually stay quiet and try to engage my opponent early on. Once you route him sometimes things can snowball.
I havent had much success being head general in those situations. And even if your team loses it still feels pretty good running one of those guys off the map.
Rom

[Znake]

In a game like that, i take a flank..and try get my opponent.

[spacecadet]

I 'll stay and fight. You'd be surprised how often those "newbies" turn out to be undercover players, and how often the big name team gets beat. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif

WolfSpace

[Mithrandir]

omg "wolfSpace"???

I was away too long http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Pitt_Slayer]

lol "i say" ffs not again i'm not going to say what happened the othernight in 3vs3 ON VI not mtw http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

f****ng CA trust them to start selling mtw\vi double packs before xmas aarrgghhh

[tgi01]

Well if the clan team puts themselves on defence I leave at once , as that is beyond lame .....~http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-angry.gif

If defense then i might get my cheeziest army and find a corner http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif


TGI

[Major Robert Dump]

I say "OMG my pitbull just attacked my baby brother" and I leave, instead opting to join ColonBurns_69 99999 castle attack late game.

[Sp00n]

Im as guily as most that in the past I have left these games when i dont recognise my allies.
These days I do tend to play out the game as most of the time I play these games undercover , so echoing Space you never know who is with you, that said ive had some well funny games of late, one that sticks out recently is one with me BearFuri and a Marecheal clan memebr who spoke no english apart from thanks and hi and was fairly noobish having no cav, facing us were Aggonys Duck and Balamir I recall but last one escapes me sorry.

After spending 5 minutes trying to break the langauge barrior we finally managed to advance to shooting positions, where I had to protect 7 arbs with my cav due to our centre allies lack of Cav, good job I hadnt been drinking as my head was spinning watching all the cav a ssaults so kingdly provided by Duck and Balamir (thanks for being gentle guys). But it ened up a very close game and an amusing one at that.

I try to help new players with armies and formations when I can but a lot dont want to listen thinking they are the single player kings that it will translate imeediately to MP, ill keep trying though the next Magy/Amp may be out there.

MizuSp00n
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Crandaeolon]

More to drink, of course. (Usually more coffee, but occasionally stronger stuff.) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

Then perhaps try a new army, get to know the others and perhaps offer some advice if asked.


Quote[/b] ]omg "wolfSpace"???

I was away too long


Lol, me too What an interesting development. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I think I can recall Space claiming that he doesn't have enough time to play the game actively... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

GL with the furballs, Spacey http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[spacecadet]

Like you say, you have been away far too long with you also joining a new clan with a suspiciously familiar name http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif Glor will be so proud http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Its true i still dont have all that much time sometimes....i did have a couple o months where i played a lot and started to destroy armies without breaking sweat but those days gone so soon..............:toff:

I'll hunt ya down soon Cranda http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

Cya

Space http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[frogbeastegg]

I can honestly say I probably have the fairest approach out of anyone here in this situation - I continue being utterly clueless as to who anyone is and how good they may be. Timmy could be some famous player for all I know. Ah the joys of being a newbie who barely plays 2 games a month http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

:heads back to familar territory, nearly getting run over by jousting knights on the way out:

[Crandaeolon]

Quote[/b] ]Its true i still dont have all that much time sometimes....i did have a couple o months where i played a lot and started to destroy armies without breaking sweat but those days gone so soon.............. ~http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif

Well, sad but true. I for one can (almost) certainly say that my days of glory in MTW are in the past. Let's hope Rome can re-kindle that old fighting spirit... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif


Quote[/b] ] I'll hunt ya down soon Cranda http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

Nah, I think my head will remain attached to my neck unless you come to snipe it off on the battlefields of WWII... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Sorry about the slight hijack, ichi. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[ichi]

NP Cran, plenty of room in here.

If as Froggy implies, ignorance is bliss, then that explains why I'm so damn happy

So far no one has chosen the "Kick all the noobs" option. This is, IMHO, a good sign.

ichi

[LRossaLordJimi]

Well,this would be really fun I try to know how much newbie are my allied http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Just a little talk and you will understand it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
If they are good,fight and fight and fight...
If they are really lamers,drink drink drink and then chaaaaaarge http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ave

[Major Robert Dump]

Well I don't ever know if someone is really a newbie unelss I've played with them already that evening. By the time I log on next, I will likely have forgotten anyone new I palyed with in one or two games....

Regardless, I have no qualm about playing against other Uglies and often do because I think its more fun that way. But all swithcing sides to even out the teams is somewhat moot if the new faces turn out to be vets in disguise.

I'm with frog on this one.... I simply refuse to learn who is who anymore. I stopped keeping up with peoples aliases in shogun when my list of friends and enemies and all their aliases got to be 8 pages long.

I'm just here to party. Start a game, I'll join. and likely lose. I just want to kill stuff :D

[ShadesWolf]

I would stay and have fun, Noobs have to learn somewhere.....

[The_Emperor]

I'd try to co-ordinate things and help my allies out during the battle with sugguestions and fight it out.

If I am going to lose, I am going to lose but I am not going to make it easier for the enemy by quitting...

What can you do? Just put the boot in and refuse to go quietly

[Cazbol]

Quote[/b] (ichi @ Jan. 27 2004,19:01)]You enter a 4v4 MP game and find 4 veteran clan members hunting as a pack on the other team. On your team is timmy1989, Boogerpicker, and mostxclntbongboy.

What do you do?
I stay and die with them for I am no better than they are. Defeat in the face of adversity is more honourable than a victory based on an undeserved advantage.


P.s. I usually only play 1v1 to spare my allies the trauma.

[dessa14]

i try to play and cause a single type of battle, if i can

convince the allies to force the enemy into centre full out battle, and then flank from the forests i have been hiding in, and slaughter half of the enemies.

doesn't usally work, the allies usally think they are better then you when you don't wear a tag.

thanks, dessa

[LittleGrizzly]

i prefer to be on the side that seems its gonna lose as being in a clan in clan games i always stick with my clanmates and when a few of us wolves get together there arent many all ronin teams that can beat us so when i get the chance i prefer to be on the lesser side as its the only true way to test your skill fully

[ElmarkOFear]

Don't be too impressed by Hector's win. I was on the other team. I am what is known as the "Great Equalizer" hehe :)

Anyways, it behooves everyone to play with these unknown players . . Let's see I have played with Inda, Thing, T1, LadyAn, Swoosh, NC, Obake, Mitch, Yuuki, and many other veterans when they were all fairly new players. Since then, I have seen them become the top notch players that they are today. It is fun watching new players learning, asking questions, and eventually becoming much better players than me. Anything to promote this game with new players and keep the community going, is a good thing and every veteran player should participate in helping new players who want to learn.

Some new players will never learn, some will take offense at any advice, and these players will not be around long, so you only waste a game or two on them. It's the others you must give the benefit of the doubt and keep them intereseted in playing until they become better players. I love it now that when I host a game, all my friends, old and new, join up and we always have a fun time, whoever wins. :)

Now don't get me wrong. I am not ALL lovey dovey, I probably have the longest ban/ignore list in MTW/VI. I have little patience for players who I feel ruin a game on purpose by either not helping a teammate, buying an army they know will lose, escaping before their entire army is routed, and being just a general pain in the arse. I have only escaped out of a game once, when a player who wasn't exactly new, decided to sit around and let all three of his teammates die before attacking. From talking with this player before, during and after the game, I have no regrets and I apoligized to the 4 enemy players who felt dissappointed since they didn't see the final kill total screen.

[Bezalel]

It's fun to play against the odds and every once and a while you beat them. Plus, I was one of those n00bs that charged w/ 10 unit armies and got better, because people put up w/ me and gave me advice.