Assasins and Valor

[RZST]

anyone know how many kills required to advance an assasin to a valor 9 assasin? currently in my sicilian campaign i have a 8v assasin and it bloody too forever to raise him up there.
anyone have like a chart that explains how many kills assasins need to get? im running out of 6-7 star generals to kill :(

i remember a long-ass time ago reading about this. too lazy to search though :p.

thx

[Basileus]

Well im not sure cause ive never had one at that level but i think you need to kill a 8 or 9 star general to advance, well thats what i think http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[RZST]

yeah but the question is "how many?" :p
besides id rather not kill 8-9 star generals. usually they have a 35-50% to kill which isnt good odds and i dont want my valuable 8star assasin to die :(

[mercian billman]

Would it be possible to get a nine valor assasin if he just killed nine people?

[Zone]

No, it's exponential I think. You kill one to get to 1v, 2 more to get to 2v, 4 more to get to 3v, 8 more to get to 3v etc. so in total I think it's about *quick calculations on a bit of paper* - 451 kills (1+2+4+8+16+32+64+108+216). Of course if you kill vX generals etc. then it's a bit quicker but 216 is ALOT to advance to the next level http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Good luck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Kristaps]

Quote[/b] (Zone @ Feb. 02 2004,16:33)]No, it's exponential I think. You kill one to get to 1v, 2 more to get to 2v, 4 more to get to 3v, 8 more to get to 3v etc. so in total I think it's about *quick calculations on a bit of paper* - 451 kills (1+2+4+8+16+32+64+108+216). Of course if you kill vX generals etc. then it's a bit quicker but 216 is ALOT to advance to the next level http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Good luck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
well, chances are, while killing those 216 innocents needed to advance to the glory of 9-stars, the 8-star assassin will hit the dark-side of 'random chance' and bite the dust himself... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[RZST]

thx Zone.
another question, does each star that a general has count as 1 kill?
say if i kill a 7star general that would amount to 7 kills?

Kristaps, yeah its bound to happen :( i hope not though.

heres a screen of my 8v assasin
8star assasinator bebeh (http://www.bonedaddy.net/Scion86/mtw_001.jpg).

my 5v inquisitor :p inquisitors are very easy compared to assasins hehe.
5star inquisitor bi0tch. (http://www.bonedaddy.net/Scion86/mtw_002.jpg)

and heres a map of my current sicilian campaign.
http://www.bonedaddy.net/Scion86/mtw_003.jpg
my next conquest would be the english then the spanish. then the horde http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
lol believe it or not the danes actually, at one time, conquered much or northern germany/europe :p until they got xcomd http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[Revenant69]

Hey Ky Kiske, nice assassin you got there. The best one I had was only a 7 star one, but he was very effective nonetheless, actually I had a bout 4 of them in the same campaign LOL

I presume everyone here knows that if you upgrade Syria to the max (assassin-wise) then you can have 5 star killers rolling out of there and ready to kill for you.

Rev

[Zone]

I'm not entirely sure how the killing vX generals works, I imagine it might be similar, a v6 general counting as possibly 32 kills... or would he count as 63... I would think if it did work in that way it would probably be the 32 as otherwise it would probably be too easy to get these high star assasins, the best I seem to be able to get it 5 stars. I send them on an easyish mission and the target moves in that turn, they go to intercept and die due to border towers... Bit annoying really.

I've also just noticed an appaling error in my earlier calculations: 64x2 is 128, not 108 and therefore the last one will be 256, not 216 And likewise, that'll take the total to 521

[RZST]

Revenant69, ya im upgrading syria at the moment http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
gonna take some time to do that though oo;

zone, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif aiiiiii. lol

[Revenant69]

I would love to know how much XP the assassin gets for killing zero star emissary, priest, princess, general and then king. Then I would also like to know how this experience changes when the victims have some stars to them.

The reason being is that some of the targets are harder to kill than others. It is very hard to kill a zero star king yet it is easy to kill a zero star emmisary etc.

This subject, although a bit limited in scope, is nonetheless an important part of the game. I dont know if anyone has done any testing to figure this out, or maybe (hopefully) this info can be gleamed at in one of the text files. So if anyone knows or has any ideas about it then please post.

Rev

[Phatose]

Note on the Syria thing: There's only a bonus in VI - in regular medieval, Syrian assasins come out at 0 valour just like everywhere else.

Hmm. I imagine with an admiraltiy or other +2 command title and governor of constantinople (that's +2 command too, I think?), you could probably train up an assasin up to 9 valour with just 1 unit of peasants, if you're persistent. Give the peasant the titles, assasinate him (a v5 shouldn't be too hard), the given the titles to his replacement and assasinate him.

If the numbers above are correct, that's only 51 peasants you'd need to burn through.

[Zone]

Lol, give it a shot and let us know then won't you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Brutal DLX]

Well, in all actuality you would need 511 such kills since the 1^0 part isn't part of our calculation. But killing a higher star victim appears to count as more than one kill, thus it could well be that the valour of the victim equals the the number of "simple" kills that the assassin gets by terminating such a general.

[Ironside]

Citera[/b] (Zone @ Feb. 02 2004,19:59)]I've also just noticed an appaling error in my earlier calculations: 64x2 is 128, not 108 and therefore the last one will be 256, not 216 And likewise, that'll take the total to 521
It's 511 not 521. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
And you don't need to kill those last 255 troops. So it's 256 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
1 1
2 2 How many assassins need to kill tree persons to get to valor 2?
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8 4
16 5
32 6
64 7
128 8
256 9

[Revenant69]

256 assassinations is still a lot. Even if they were 8 star kings thats ....32 kings Yikes
I guess if I ever get a 9 star assassin then I will take a screenshot of him and frame it on the wall. LOL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Zone]

Quote[/b] ]It's 511 not 521.
*sighs* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif One day my mental arithmatic will work...


Quote[/b] ]2 2 How many assassins need to kill tree persons to get to valor 2
If you only take out zero star emissaries etc. then yes you do, I've known assasins do that. The thing is I usually end up kiling 1 star emissaries/bishops etc. for the second kill so that I do make it to a 2 star asssasin.

But tell me again, why don't I have to kill the last 255 troops?

[Brutal DLX]

Probably because then you would get 10 stars and it would revert back to 0 in game terms. Lol, I also didn't notice that rank 9 is already achieved at 255 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Zone]

You wouldn't get 10 stars. I mean 511 is to get from a zero star assasin to a 9 star assasin, not from 8 to 9... that's just 256.

[Basileus]

i did a little testing with 4-5-6 valor assasins and it seems that you could get 9 stars by killing a 9 star general. Save and reload and try it out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Zone]

Maybe it's the generals and the number of battles they have to fight to get another star that I'm thinking of then http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

[Vlad Tzepes]

I had the same question some time ago. Basically the algorithm described here is correct when applied to 0 star targets, but the assasin's valour increases dramatically when the target has more than 3 stars - and even better, it seems, when it kills royalties.
I managed to once train an assasin up to 9 stars and I'm quite sure it didn't take 250 kills to reach that stage.

[Zone]

That sounds plausable... glad I wasn't entirely wrong then http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Thanks for putting us all right :)

[HawaiianHobbit]

Quote[/b] (Zone @ Feb. 02 2004,17:33)]No, it's exponential I think. You kill one to get to 1v, 2 more to get to 2v, 4 more to get to 3v, 8 more to get to 3v etc. so in total I think it's about *quick calculations on a bit of paper* - 451 kills (1+2+4+8+16+32+64+108+216). Of course if you kill vX generals etc. then it's a bit quicker but 216 is ALOT to advance to the next level http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Good luck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
Are you sure thats how it works because I remember i once swarmed a 3 star general with a bunch of 0 star assasins and the 1 that got him turned to a 2 star.

[Zone]

that's because a three star general counts as 3 kills, therefore your assasin will become 2 star - it does work :)

And if you read the rest of the thread you'll find out that it may be sligtly different and we'd already discussed Xstar generals etc... well, it's quite confusing, i would suggest you read the whole thread to get the picture ;)

[Ironside]

To clear it up so Zone and anyone else that haven't got it yet.
The game uses this system to get a 4 star assassin (or generals or emissaries anyway)
To get a 4 star assassin you'll need to kill 8 zero star generals or something equalent. You don't need to kill 1+2+4+8=15 zero star units to get one.
In that case you'll need to kill 256 zero star units to get a 9 star assassin not 511.
My quetion was to point out that you'll need 2 kills not 1+2 kills to get to 2 stars
Got it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

It was the system in Shogun. They might have changed the system for the higher levels in MTW, but I'm not sure about that.
It's extremely hard to get to 6 stars and close to impossible to pass 7 stars else.

[Brutal DLX]

Yes, it's the same system that was used for Shogun's generals ranks. But there it was easier to spot because the game was keeping track of the number of battles won and lost for each general and one could always look it up on the info sheet of the specific general.
The system should work for assassins too, so the algorithm would be like x=2^(n-1), with x being the number of battles (or zero-star victims killed) and n the rank you want to achieve.
You could test it out by killing your own 0 star bishops or emissaries in a remote province. Assuming you always succeed, you should have a 9 star assassin after 256 turns. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Zone]

OK then, cheers.