Anyone know how to farm Virtues?

[Atilla1]

Im trying to farm up combat virtues, specificly I want to develop Murderer +5 Valor, -4 Piety.

Im pretty sure it comes from Killer Instinct, but Im having a really hard time getting that one to turn into Natural Born Killer.

Anyone have any tips??

[RZST]

hmmm try executing 1000 prisoners during a battle. that helps i think.

[Revenant69]

Welcome to the ORG Atilla1 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
I myself never farmed virtues but i hear there is a great way to make Jedi Generals http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-glasses2.gif
I got this info a long time ago from a post made by Executor, so here it goes.....

POST MADE BY EXECUTOR
You have to get a lot of good vices and virtues in order to get a valour that high. I save often and double-check each turn that he didn't get some negative trait. Half the fun for me when playing SP is crafting an uber-general.

Right now he has the following trait list:
Famous Warrior: +20 health, +3 valour
Argumentative: +2 valour
Most Honest: +1 morale
Specialist Attacker: +3 command in this situation
Skilled Last Stand: +1 command in this situation
Field Defence Specialist: +3 command in this situation
Secret Killer: +4 valour
Tortured: +6 morale, -2 command
Skilled Risky Attacks: +1 command in this situation
High Security: +3 valour
I'm pretty sure he also has Zealot, but only the first ten V&V are ever displayed, so you need to check the list displayed at the beginning of each turn to check what he receives.

Some helpful hints if you want to build your own Jedi Master:
* The Killer Instinct-->Natural Born Killer-->Secret Killer chain can be achieved with any high valour general. Send a very tiny army against a large one composed of peasants and other weak units. You have to auto-resolve the battle else you will not get the virtue. The chance of you getting Killer Instinct is dependent on how many men the general butchers in that battle. Once you've got Killer Instinct, repeat twice to progress up to Secret Killer. I haven't seen it go to Murderer (+5 valour), so I guess you need a spy to expose your general. Unfortunately, one of the patches changed it so that spies can no longer expose your own general's vices. Too bad.
* Argumentative progresses to Secret Bad Temper, which has the same bonuses. However, Secret Bad Temper will eventually go to Murderous Temper, which grants no valour bonus. Irritable evolves into Argumentative.
* The Captured-->Tortured-->Traumatised line of virtues is wonderful. Sure, you take a command hit, but that's easily offset by titles. The best way to obtain this is by auto-resolving battles. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find anyway to get my current general captured again, so he's stuck at Tortured. My general and all the troops under his command always fight to the death. In one battle in which he commanded an army (1281 men) composed almost entirely of mercenaries against an enemy force of 7700+ men, they all perished when I auto-resolved. Not a single one fled.
* Survivor-->Strong Security-->High Security can be obtained by sending assassins after your own general. There are three different lines of anti-assassin traits that can be gotten, however, a general can have only one of these trait chains. I believe the other traits give valour bonuses against assassins, only Survivor grants a regular valour bonus. You need to get Survivor the first time you send an assassin, so definitely save. If you don't get it, reload and delay the assassination a turn. It's random which one of the three possibilities you'll receive, so just be patient. Once you've got Survivor, send two more assassins to progress to High Security and the +3 valour bonus.
*Other good traits you want to look for in a general that popup randomly are:
Famously Brave-->Utterly Fearless-->Brave Beyond Belief (+3 valour, +3 morale)
Pride or Secret Pride (+3 valour, -2 command; note that they both give you the same bonuses and penalties, ignore the description for Secret Pride)
Charismatic-->Captivating Nature-->Charismatic Leader (+3 morale)
Honorable Warrior-->Chivalrous-->Gentle Knight (+3 morale)
.............................................................

So thats that. I hope this helps you on your quest to farm some virtues http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Revenant69]

NOTE: Executor's post was made before the VI v2.01 patch came out. So now you may be able to try your general with Secret Killer vice with a spy and possibly reveal the Murderer vice. I havent tested it but its worth a shot.

Cheers,
Rev

[Atilla1]

Here is some of the farming stuff Ive found so far. Feel free to list more if you guys know any.

Captured Line of Traits:

Invade any provance by sea. (Rebel ones work great). Knock down the buildings that increase loyalty, and knock down the port Get a rebellion. As the fight at the rebellion commences, just withdraw all your stuff...pay the ransom.

Recluse/Survivor/Rough Justice/Invulnurable Lines of Traits:

Toss three assassins toward a general. If your assassins are 0 valor, and the target is 6 stars, the computer says you have a zero chance to get him. I think having spys, and watch towers helps your guys survive if he is less than 6 stars.

Athiest/Born Again Lines of Traits:

Drop a zero star inquisitor on a guy in a low zeal place with some bishops. This is great if you have a zero, one, or two piety king that you need to get up fast before heirs come of age. Usually you will get the Secret Athiest Trait before you get the full on Athiest trait. What's nice about this for a low piety king is that even at zero piety, your heir can still go up by +2 piety. Also, even if you get the Secret Athiest Trait, it doesnt mean stop because your next go may give you the Devout Trait for +2 Piety...thus your heir would have a chance of having 4 piety. This is also nice for Pietying up a great general who isnt so pious as long as you do it in a state with like 10-15 zeal.

Informants Line:

Drop a zero star spy on a high star general. This does have risk.

Expert Attacker/Expert Defender/Poor Odds Attacker/Poor Odds Defender Lines:

Attack and Defend alot. For the later, be outnumbered 2-1.

Skilled Sieger/Skilled Siege Defender Lines:

Not sure yet.

Scant Mercy+Secret Blood Lover Line:

Kill Captives each battle. 4 battles is usually the magic number to get +3 Dread.

Occasional Mercy Line:

Why??? But if you want it, just keep releasing rebel prisoners.

Random Justice Line:

Kill every last rebel captive a few times rather than releasing them.

Authoritarian+Despot Line:

No clue.

Man of Principle:

Resist Bribes---good for getting a rebel general who you want to farm virtues on. Once you get this, the other increases will go up automatically.

Killer Instinct/Great Warrior/Natural Leader:

No idea how to get these for non-heirs. No idea what exactly I have to do to develop these traits. I did get Natural Born Killer while doing a combat today, but unfortunatly, I wasnt watching what my heir was doing.

Butcher:

Kill 1,000+ captives. Sorry kids, but you can only get this once per guy. It gives you +2 dread, but who cares about that, its just cool having a guy walking around with this trait Easy to get in the Late Period where battles often include 10,000+ soldiers fighting for a province.

Trader Line:

Build 6 or 7 mines with your king at the same time and during his life time. Mines done within a 2 year span in Croatia, Serbia, Hungry and Carpathia will do it....at least this is when I got this trait.

Fanatic Line:

Stay in a provence with 70+ zeal for a while.

Truely Pious Line:

Stay in a provence with 70+ zeal for a while with an inqusitor and some bishops and a cardinal.

Pride:

Careful with Pride cause it turns into laziness many times as the game progresses

Here are a couple of Stat boosts from events I found for your Rulers. Use them wisely.

Turkish in 1130-1. All your Govenors + King get +1 acumen permanantly

The Champagne Event in the mid 1100's---I forget the exact date. The govenor of that Provence gets +1 acumen permenantly as does your ruler

Also, if your King wins a successful Crusade, he gets +1 Piety Permenantly

[Brutal DLX]

Nice info, thanks

[kawligia]

You can get Murderer from failed asassinations.

I was playing as the Pope earlier and he started with pretty low influence. I finally got it built up a little by unifying Italy and the Mediterranian islands...then he died and the new Pope was a total loser. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif So...off with his head.

It took me a number of turns to finally get him, but in the process he got a few traits due to the assassination attempts...the final one (before he died) was Murderer.

Oh and HIS replacement was almost as good as the original. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[The_678]

Cool Thanks for all this info. My very first game I farmed a general into having all the commander traits (attacker, against odds, defender etc..). The way I did it was to send an army of 16 Royal Knights into the steppes and take over the entire steppes with this army. I would keep putting taxes on very high leave the province to go somewhere else and the province would rebel with like 2000-3000 peasants. I'd then move back, slaughter the army and execute all rebel adn prisoners. Every now and then I'd need to send reinforcements to the army. I'd lose only like 20-40 per battle though. It's the best general I've ever had To top it off he even had 5 acumen. It was great.

[Ironside]

Natural leader line is working if your general is fighting in the frontlines (first?) for several battles, atleast it's how I've gotten it. I sended out my king in 50% breeding 50% suecide battles and after a while he got fine leader from natural leader.

[LegionOfSteel]

so do you guys try and farm virtues on your kings or on your gernerals?

i guess ur generals have an unlimited lifespan and will always be an investment..

on the other hand generals dont useally have a unit of badasses with them so even if they get the virtues they not so good..

oh yeah, on viking campaigne one of my princes got
:Queer Perversion or somehting like that, the description was prefers young boys to young girls ... LOL

made sure he got killed in the next battle...

[Revenant69]

Quote[/b] (LegionOfSteel @ Feb. 06 2004,21:39)]so do you guys try and farm virtues on your kings or on your gernerals?

i guess ur generals have an unlimited lifespan and will always be an investment..

on the other hand generals dont useally have a unit of badasses with them so even if they get the virtues they not so good..

oh yeah, on viking campaigne one of my princes got
:Queer Perversion or somehting like that, the description was prefers young boys to young girls ... LOL

made sure he got killed in the next battle...
Well as I said above I dont farm virtues, but I think that farming them for a king is kind of pointless because his life span is limited. Generals on the other hand are well worth the investment.

Oh and the vice that you talk about is just called Secret Perversion // Perversion (when it is discovered) and is not that damaging. All it does is remove 4 piety (if memory serves me correctly) and so doesnt have an affect on combat.

Cheers,
Rev

[Ironside]

V&V farming on kings has its uses. When the sons get more than 4 accuman and 4 stars it's starting to pay of. And when they got 8 stars and 8 accuman, then they are really good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

And to point out, I accidently got fine leader, I wasn't planning it. That line is for your generals. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[sledge]

Quote[/b] (kawligia @ Feb. 04 2004,20:57)]You can get Murderer from failed asassinations.

I was playing as the Pope earlier and he started with pretty low influence. I finally got it built up a little by unifying Italy and the Mediterranian islands...then he died and the new Pope was a total loser. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif So...off with his head.

It took me a number of turns to finally get him, but in the process he got a few traits due to the assassination attempts...the final one (before he died) was Murderer.

Oh and HIS replacement was almost as good as the original. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif
How do you get to play as the pope? I've also seen other people say they've played as Aragon- how do you do that?

[Alrowan]

i know how to farm an incestuous vice

[Kulgan]

Did any of you tried to marry a princess to a prince, brother with sister?
Could this give a ' special ' trait?
Or is it just a funny aspect of the game? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Oberstein]

I always find it worthwhile to keep a few assassins around to 'prune' unwanted generals...or heirs.

What's the fun of being the power behind the throne if you can't weed out the useless ones, eh?

[Akka]

Quote[/b] ]How do you get to play as the pope? I've also seen other people say they've played as Aragon- how do you do that?
You can play as Aragon (and Sicily) with Viking Invasion.

For the Pope, I think it's by modifying files. Quite easy to do.

Quote[/b] ]Did any of you tried to marry a princess to a prince, brother with sister?
Could this give a ' special ' trait?
Or is it just a funny aspect of the game?
Marrying princess with their brothers/uncle/nephew is a sure way to get the prince married in time and have heirs.

On the other hands, you can be pretty sure to get vices like odd number of toes, inbred and so on. And, of course, the incest vice, automatically.
I don't advise it :)

[Basileus]

to get natural born killer and on its best if your general is alone in his unit that means that all the kills come from him, should be easy against peasants if you general has high valor..i havent had secret killer or murderer yet cause when peasants see mr natural born killer they all run heh http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[katank]

you can also modify your startpos text files to play as aragon or sicily in 1.1.

just change the FT_MINOR to FT_MAJOR in the declare active factions section.

enjoy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[kawligia]

Quote[/b] (sledge @ Feb. 07 2004,04:55)]How do you get to play as the pope? I've also seen other people say they've played as Aragon- how do you do that?
You just have to change the papacy from minor to major in the campmap/startpos/early (high or late).

You can't play with glorious achievements though, because they don't have any. If you select the GA button the game will crash.

[Seven.the.Hun]

ugh, marrying the brother and sister...i'd hope that their vice would be that they spend the next few years getting their arses kicked for their lack of 'game' and extremely low standards...why cant those sexy noble women come along and marry heirs???as long as there was a choice...oh bother

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

[Seven.the.Hun]

yeah, that famously brave virtue, when i have seen this here and there, it has progressed with the general in question to utterly fearless and brave beyond belief in 3 years, i think in every case, i had left that general in the same province through these few years,
the brave virtue thing popped up randomly on a general who had the fearless4 virtue or whatever its called, leads from the front brilliantly or whatever it is,