Gallowglass

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Historically, what were called the Claymore (claimh mhor) weilding mercenary soldiers, known in the game by the Anglised name of Gallowglass (singular) or Gallowglasses (plural)?

Gallowglaich?

Gallogladh?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Nobody? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Brutal DLX]

There was a thread on this once, but I can't find it anymore. Best to wait until one of our members from Wales, Scotland or Ireland shows up and gives you the right spelling.

[cutepuppy]

Galloglaich were more often using a large war-axe (6') than claymores. More on this site: http://www.geocities.com/na_dega....uipment (http://www.geocities.com/na_degadmedieval_ireland/Galloglaich-History-and-Equipment)

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]There was a thread on this once, but I can't find it anymore. Best to wait until one of our members from Wales, Scotland or Ireland shows up and gives you the right spelling.
Let's hope they do. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif I would really like to learn their native designations.




Quote[/b] ]Galloglaich were more often using a large war-axe (6') than claymores.
6 feet axe That is one BIG weapon

By the description, it seems that they were heirs to the Viking way of warfare (double handed axe, etc).

Thanks for the great link, cutepuppy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

[DojoRat]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Feb. 06 2004,08:38)]
Quote[/b] ]There was a thread on this once, but I can't find it anymore. Best to wait until one of our members from Wales, Scotland or Ireland shows up and gives you the right spelling.
Let's hope they do. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif I would really like to learn their native designations.




Quote[/b] ]Galloglaich were more often using a large war-axe (6') than claymores.
6 feet axe That is one BIG weapon

By the description, it seems that they were heirs to the Viking way of warfare (double handed axe, etc).

Thanks for the great link, cutepuppy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif
Others would know more but the Gallowglass I thought were of Viking origin. They came out of the Western Isles, (where many Norsemen settled), and were used as mercenaries originally by the Gaelic clans of Ireland and Scotland.

But like I said others would know better.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Others would know more but the Gallowglass I thought were of Viking origin. They came out of the Western Isles, (where many Norsemen settled), and were used as mercenaries originally by the Gaelic clans of Ireland and Scotland.

Yes, you're right. It's in the site that cutepuppy posted. The Norse had settled in the Hebrids and were a population apart from the main island inhabitants, for a long time. That was the reason I said they were heirs to the Viking's way of fighting. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[ICantSpellDawg]

i thought that they were distinctly celtic in origin?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Aparently their origin does not state so. But, since they became isolated from other Vikings, their descendents adopted Celtic traditions and became later a symbol of Celtic way of warfare http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Gallowglass comes from the Gaelic Galloglaich meaning foreign warrior.
There were military families who first settled in Ulster in the 13th century, then Connacht and Munster later on. The main families such as the Mcdonnels, McRorys and the McSweeneys held alot of land in Ulster.
Robert the Bruce bought over 6,000 of them to reinforce his brother Edward in Ireland in 1318.
The last Gallowglass in battle was at Kinsale in 1601 where they were defeated but by that time they had become obselete

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]Gallowglass comes from the Gaelic Galloglaich meaning foreign warrior.
There were military families who first settled in Ulster in the 13th century, then Connacht and Munster later on. The main families such as the Mcdonnels, McRorys and the McSweeneys held alot of land in Ulster.
Robert the Bruce bought over 6,000 of them to reinforce his brother Edward in Ireland in 1318.
The last Gallowglass in battle was at Kinsale in 1601 where they were defeated but by that time they had become obselete.
So, were they only Celtic or not? Were they descendents from the mix of Celts from the Hebrids and Vikings? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

They were a distinct mixture of Celt and Hebredian( Norse descent). There might have been other scandanavian blood in them, maybe Danish.

[Gallowglass]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Feb. 08 2004,14:26)]
Quote[/b] ]Gallowglass comes from the Gaelic Galloglaich meaning foreign warrior.
There were military families who first settled in Ulster in the 13th century, then Connacht and Munster later on. The main families such as the Mcdonnels, McRorys and the McSweeneys held alot of land in Ulster.
Robert the Bruce bought over 6,000 of them to reinforce his brother Edward in Ireland in 1318.
The last Gallowglass in battle was at Kinsale in 1601 where they were defeated but by that time they had become obselete.
So, were they only Celtic or not? Were they descendents from the mix of Celts from the Hebrids and Vikings? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
They are a mixture. When the Vikings settled in the Hebrides they didn't massacre the native population. They merged with them. After a while they ended up taking up the customs of the Gaels and even considered themselves of the same ancesters of the Gaels. Clan Donald have always believed that their progenitor was "Conn of the Hundred Battles".

Check out the link below. It leads to a site that explains much of the history of the Gallowglass. Enjoy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif



Gallowglasses (http://www.cisl.ie/mars/rory/gallowglass.htm)

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]They were a distinct mixture of Celt and Hebredian( Norse descent). There might have been other scandanavian blood in them, maybe Danish.


Quote[/b] ]They are a mixture. When the Vikings settled in the Hebrides they didn't massacre the native population. They merged with them. After a while they ended up taking up the customs of the Gaels and even considered themselves of the same ancesters of the Gaels. Clan Donald have always believed that their progenitor was "Conn of the Hundred Battles".
Ok. That's what I was thinking they were. So, I wasn't wrong.


BTW Gallowglass, I already knew the site, but thanks anyway. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

[Highlander X]

Danish? wtf

Gallowglass means something like 'foriegn warrior', like everyone has mentioned before.. meaning they were of Norse/Gaelic decent, which came from the Western Isles of Scotland.

The Western Isles belonged to Norway up until the late 1200's. Afterwards the Outer Hebrides were known as the 'Strangers’ Isles' by fellow Gaels.

The best known of there are MacSúibhne (MacSweeney), MacDomhnaill (MacDonnell), MacSíothaigh (MacSheehy), MacDubhgaill (MacDougall), MacCaba (MacCabe) and MacRuari (MacRory).
Lesser known Gallowglass families include MacAulay, MacSorley, MacNeill, MacGreal, MacAnGhearr (Short/ Shortt / McGirr), MacAnGallóglaigh (MacGallogly / English), MacClean (MacAlean / MacLean / MacClane), MacAilín (MacCawell / Campbell / MacCampbell / Allen / MacEllin), MacAlister (MacEllistrum / MacAllister / MacAlistrum), MacAlexander, Agnew (O’Gnimh / O’Gnimha / O’Gnive) and MacPhaidín (MacFadden)


And never have i heard of them being called 'Claymores' whose idea was calling them that, in some mod i played? Claymores are the name of their swords.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I mentioned the danes maybe as mercenaries because there might have been a chance other scandanavians settled in the isles and there future families may have spawned warriors who saw service in Ulster or the rest of ireland.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] ]And never have i heard of them being called 'Claymores' whose idea was calling them that, in some mod i played? Claymores are the name of their swords.

The Claymores unit, that WesW uses in it's MedMOD, isn't meant to designate Galloglaich. It is meant to designate certain Claymore wielding men, that the Scots used in battle. Some kind of Heavy Highland Clansmen, although most wielders were of Lowland Scotland like William Wallace. In the MOD, there are 2 different units:

-The Galloglaich (The Hebridian Mercenaires) of Ireland.
-The Claymores (Mail-clad Claymore wielding Scots) of Scotland.

Nothing to do with one another. He had to use the same unit because there wasn't any other graphics available. He might have used Swabian Swordsman as an alternative for Claymores though.

[Highlander X]

ahhh, i didn't even notice that
i should've payed better attention. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif