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Right ill get straight to the point. How do you stop naginata? In my current campaign its down to 2 clans and the enemies got loads of naginata but I just cant seem 2 find a way to stop them. Anyone got any ideas because they're driving me crazy...
Catiline
03-25-2002, 18:04
make sure they have to walk a long way to engage you, and when they do get involved flank them or attack them in the rear.They are dangerous, but when they break they'll often take everything else with them
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Heavy Cav will defeat the naginata, and warrior monk whould be able to as well, but with heavy losses. Musketts will also take them down pretty fast. Try to use height advantage whenever possible, and, as Catiline says, take advantage of their slow speed by flanking them. You can probably use YS on hold formation in front, and flank with ND, WM or cav. The naginata kills very slowly, and that should give you plenty of time to set up flank attacks.
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thanx a lot maybe now I might be able to deal with those annoying naginata, (hopefully)
Naginata are best beaten by an army of yokozunas...
... preferably charging downhill...
... after eating...
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Yagyu Jubei
03-25-2002, 23:57
An army of Yokozuna??!! I would love to see that one!
Gah! The mighy wet wedge-rush with arquebusiers would do it http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Naginata kill and die slowly, so they're defensive troops. Don't use them when you're attacking - they would tire in a second and reducing your speed.
Against Naginata a good Heavy cav punch would destroy them totally and easy. If you don't have HC, shock troops will do the job if they're coupled correctly with another unit that holds the ys frontally (e.g. YS)
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thanx 2 ever1 that replied. ill try to keep it in mind...
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Toda Nebuchadnezzar
03-26-2002, 03:04
The Naginata are a good unit, although many tend to sway away from it because of its fatigue rate. On a small flat map they can be better, but a hilly large map they are a waste of space simply because either u march them there quickly and they are exhausted or u march them there slowly and they miss the battle. (thats for attack)
To defend, I always put them on slightly higher ground so that they get an even better advantage. I try to use Naginata as much as possible in defense but hever in attack.
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I'd just like to make a comment about fatigue rate. The rate applies to the activity the unit is engaged in, and the terrain conditions. All the units fatigue at the same rate when under the same conditions. The naginata don't tire faster than any other unit, but it does take them longer to get there. So, as Nebu points out, they are exhausted when they finally get there because walking them takes too long.
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Yagyu Jubei
03-26-2002, 03:48
Yokozuna is the top ranking that a Sumo wrestler can achieve....so Imagine Musashimaru and Akebono and all the elite Sumo charging down the mtn at some nags! LOL
I personally use nags only when defending, unless attacking a bridge... A nag unit in hold formation hold position will buy valuable time and make a great chance for some fine flank work by your shock troops....
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KensaiAkechi
03-26-2002, 08:05
I reently discovered that Honour 3-5 naginata with Weapon 3 are very dangerous http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
They are hard to kill and can stop those pesky Ashigaru.
thanx a lot every1 I cant beleive I didnt think of giving them the weapon bonus even when I realized all of mine only had 1 in attack and 10 in defence. thanx a lot
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
03-26-2002, 19:06
Use what we told you and please come back here to post on what you decided was the better use of naginata and how you use them. It is always interesting.
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Ive started to use my Naginata as a high ranking general with weapon upgrades whenever I can now, they can win against just about anything if you use them properly! I find the best way to use them is agains castles or bridges with a few high honour archers to back them up and a unit of no-dachi. I went online and took 5 naginata and the rest archers and totally wiped the floor with the other guy! My naginata just held him at the gate while my high honour archers just decimated all his no-dachi and missile troops inside. Do you think this is a good use for themor is it not using their full potential?
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
03-27-2002, 18:39
Personally I always saw Naginata as a sort of scape goat.(right word?)
Anyway, you beef them up and then send them in to bloack other units or hold positions while the rest of your army manouveres around them.
This is as some say not using the unit to its full potential, but I always thought that that was its full potential. A blocking unit that can hold up any type of unit.(even another naginata)
So what do we have here then?
Naginata are mainly a defensive unit.
But can be used to attack via bridges.
They are slow and get exhausted by the time they reach the battle.
Probably best to build an army around Naginata.
Naginata taisho is good idea because they kill/die slowly and so a battle can be won in the time it takes them to kill/die.
Hope that helps.
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theforce
03-27-2002, 19:00
HC against naginata????
Nagianate will wipe em out. Do not attack nag with any form cavalry. Try blocking them with ys and flanking with shock troops(nd and monks)
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Don't use only honour, use theforce, too.
But what do you do then if you are agains someone that is holding a bridge or a castle gate with them? Id say this was the most popular tactic to use them but I still dont know how to counter it.
My naginata are always mounted http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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theforce
03-27-2002, 23:56
Attacking a castle or bridge is not wise. Charging a bridge will only have his nag block you and kill your men with projectile units.
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Don't use only honour, use theforce, too.
GAH! Attacking bridges in SP is a piece of cake! Use bninjas! You can cross the bridge with the ninjas and the enemy will not even fire OR react to them. Cross the bridge with several units, move them patiently to the rear of their army. Then send your regulars over the bridge. When the pigs unleash their arrows and move in, have your ninjas attack their archers.
Easy rout. Easy kill. Easy massacre. Oh my!
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
03-28-2002, 02:12
Tis easy isn't it Vanya!
But unfortunately in SP until you have the capabilities to build BN then you just can't attack bridges.
This tactic works against castles aswell. You can slip your BN inside the castle, without being attacked. Or in campaign mode use a ninja to open the castle gates. Always easier http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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And... back on the subject of Naginata...
My Nag units are now enrolled in Ballet classes. Their uniforms and armor have been painted pink. And their unit commander is wearing a frock similar to Bjork's swan dress. Soon, these fierce armor-clad warriors will 'shock the enemy into disbelief' and 'dance' all over them! In fact, they will 'dance like they've never danced before'... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif
[This message has been edited by Vanya (edited 03-27-2002).]
Quote Originally posted by theforce:
HC against naginata????
Nagianate will wipe em out. Do not attack nag with any form cavalry[/QUOTE]
?? Don't agree with this.
Heavy Cav will kill Naginata, and quite easy.
Tested it too many times since 1.02; if you want we can go online and see your nice Nag getting wiped http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Toda Nebuchadnezzar
03-28-2002, 06:56
LOL Vanya, you know I was looking through www.page3.com (http://www.page3.com) and came to a girl called Vanya But anyway, if you make the naginata file so that they are wearing pink ballet dress thingys then please send it to me. It will be very very very funny. Plus easier to distinguish between Nags and YS.
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