New unit

[Nowake]

Here you have them http://www.totalwar.com/



Characteristics:
Hardy troops
Can form square
Sapping capability

[Basileus]

I thought they where going to do unit updates during fridays well well im not complaining hehe, cheers for pointing it out Nowake

[Nowake]

Nowake is glad to be of help http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[The Wizard]

Sounds nice, but I think I'll take phalangites or Carthaginian infantry. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Thanks for the heads-up Nowake

[Spino]

Quote[/b] ]Characteristics:
Hardy troops
Can form square
Sapping capability

Can form square??? Wow I think the Napoleonic modders are going to jump for joy when they see this one...

[Barkhorn1x]

Again - the rendering of this unit puts the old version to shame. Good job CA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Now, for the next unit, I would like to see Cavalry so we can see if they reworked the horsies.

However, I'll bet we will see the Principes or Triarii.

Barkhorn.

[[DnC]]

Nice I'm gonna take a look at it.

Thanks Nowake.

[Kraxis]

This is a significant advance over the old unit descriptions. It looks very beautiful
But I'm surprised about the square, one of the problems of the Hastati was heavy cavalry. That will get negated now more or less I fear. I think they should remove the square and replace it with Can throw pila while engaged. This would perhaps make them too strong, but still...

[CBR]

Hmm lots of sappers in this game... if you ask me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


CBR

[CBR]

Hm yes square. I dont mind them having anti-cav capability...at least limited but I wish that could be done with more than just square. A general special formation going into dense formation but still maintaining one facing..


CBR

[Kraxis]

It is the multifacing ability that leaves them powerful. And I don't think they ever used that, I know they used the circle though.

I spoke with MikeB one day and he let it fly that most infantry could build siege equipment, in this case I expect ladder, towers and rams, while catapults and ballistas would be more specific.
So don't be so fightened.

[RisingSun]

Well, I think they opted for them to be in a square rather than the circle since it is much easier for the developers. Just because it is a square doesn't mean it's just for anti-cav. I've LONG wanted a formation for when you are surrounded like a square or circle.

In fact, I was sad MTW would not have new formations. I wanted a circle facing outward, and a group formation of a circle facing inward. No more escaping generals http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/handball.gif

[Barkhorn1x]

Thoughts on the “Square” formation -
I’m not too concerned because:
·It will take time for these units to achieve a square formation – and in many cases - it will be too late
·This formation is defensive only – the unit will not (should not anyway) be moving and if there were, say a line of 3 units that formed square, the “line” would then no longer exist. Enemy infantry units could certainly exploit that situation, as the Hastati units remain transfixed by a cavalry threat.
·Now this formation would be effective in combating a primarily cavalry foe – the Parthians for instance. But, again, it is not going to win battles offensively.
·To sum up – I believe this formation will be of limited utility in most instances and will hardly render these units immune from solid combined arms action.

Thoughts on Sappers –
·Roman infantry were justly famous for their construction skills
·Therefore, I would expect all the Principes, Triarii, Legionaries and Praetorians (Ok, maybe not those guys ;)) to have this ability too.

Barkhorn.

[Spino]

If the square formation is hollow I wonder if it will be large enough to deposite a unit of archers in the middle. If not then at least we know a small general/bodyguard unit would fit in there quite nicely (unless of course they were riding elephants... heh).

I also wonder if the square formation will require more than one Roman unit to make. Wouldn't that make it more historically accurate?

[Barkhorn1x]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ Feb. 12 2004,18:23)]If the square formation is hollow I wonder if it will be large enough to deposite a unit of archers in the middle. If not then at least we know a small general/bodyguard unit would fit in there quite nicely (unless of course they were riding elephants... heh).

I also wonder if the square formation will require more than one Roman unit to make. Wouldn't that make it more historically accurate?
It would be cool to have hollow squares w/units in side - and squares made from multiple units. However, I'll bet that the game engine won't be up to that level of sophistication.

Barkhorn.

[shingenmitch2]

Three cheers for the new units

I've been critical of the units and their artwork in the past. These two latest units look fabulous.

The nice round shields and oval scutum are huge improvements, and I was shocked to see the detail of the cross-bracings on the back of the scutum. Even the the sandal details are very impressive.

Their texture artist has "kicked it up a notch" and even the modeling is better.

I can only hope the horses get the same level of upgrading.

Congrats on the nice work CA

[Sir Moody]

when it refers to squares i believe it meens the close fighting formation of a Century like the Greek formation where as the firs tunit is a skirmisher and so wouldnt form a close knit group