Inbreeding Kings

[NobleJms]

I played as Danes and had conquered a huge empire, stretching from Northeastern Europe all the way to England. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif But now I have a problem...My KING is an #######. My first King was a great one and so were his offspring, but after that, it only gets worse and worse (although they did gain some good V&V later). http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif I suppose it's really because that I never send out emissery to propose any marriages. So a bit of a hint, MTW players, dont inbreed your kings http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[Ludens]

Welcome to the Org, NobleJms.
Getting foreign princess to marry you or your sons is rather difficult: if you don't have an alliance with that faction, they are probably not interested and if you do: why should they waste a princess on you? You are already allied as it is anyway.

It has been said countless times before: the diplomatic system of MTW needs a serious upgrade. Not that diplomacy amounted to much in the middle ages, but there should be at least some sense in it.

Regarding inbreeding, I thought the same, until I found this in the archive. It is a post of Kraxis and it suggests that marrying foreign princess does NOT help. I don't know what to make of the last part of the message though:

Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Oct. 03 2002,18:33)][quote, originally posted by spmetla]: And I think marrying foriegn princesses instead of just a gentle lady of the court makes better heirs.[unquote]

Longjohn actually answered this some time ago, that is not the case, but if we hoped enough it might just happen... I vetoed.

Perhaps you just have bad heirs because Denmark has bad kings. I think that counts for a lot more than inbreeding.

[katank]

inbreeding is bad but influence is more important. If you are not playing medmod, merc rush your neighbors to gain influence quickly. HRE looks strong but is a paper tiger early on. if you can get 3 or 4 victories, their empire disintegrates into civil war. since you're small, you don't have to worry about excomm.

as for getting foreign princesses to marry you, reject an alliance offer that a faction makes and immediately propose to one of their princesses the next turn, works like a charm for me.

[Ironside]

Citera[/b] ]Welcome to the Org, NobleJms.
Getting foreign princess to marry you or your sons is rather difficult: if you don't have an alliance with that faction, they are probably not interested and if you do: why should they waste a princess on you? You are already allied as it is anyway.


Some factions are often almost constantly willing to marry of thier princesses even if you're at war (or allied) with them (and after the marriage you're still at war with them). The Danes and Sicilians do it often, while the Italians do it almost never.

[Cazbol]

In my current campaign I had several emissaries chasing skirts all over Europe in order to infuse the royals with some fresh blood. Every princess I found got chased and proposed to and not a single offer was accepted. In the end I gave up since it wasn't worth it. A lot less effort goes into training a normal general. Hearing that CA states that this has no effect anyway I can safely forget about this business altogether and feel good about it.

Strangely, the monarchs of the viking era seem all too eager to marry off their princesses while it seems almost unheard of in the 3 later eras.

[maestro]

I cannot ultimately state this as fact, but this is what I have observed and it also ties in with what Ironside says about teh Danes and the Scicilians:

I find that if you try to marry into a faction whose King has a lower influence than you own then you stand a good chance of having the proposal accepted. With regards to Ironside, the Italians start off with massive influence, whereas the Danes an Sissies have low influence.

try proposing to princesses of low influence Kings and also get your own influence up with some blitzkrieg type offences into neighbouring territories.

Al'

[vonNichts]

Could I sabotage the v&v of a rival faction by repeatedly marrying my princesses with the kings and heirs of that faction? Does the AI take this into account, and refuse to marry his heir with, say, his mothers syster?

It would of course be VERY difficult to pull off... But if successful, that factions leaders would become inbred for good, right?

[Ironside]

Citera[/b] (maestro @ Feb. 16 2004,06:32)]I cannot ultimately state this as fact, but this is what I have observed and it also ties in with what Ironside says about teh Danes and the Scicilians:

I find that if you try to marry into a faction whose King has a lower influence than you own then you stand a good chance of having the proposal accepted. With regards to Ironside, the Italians start off with massive influence, whereas the Danes an Sissies have low influence.

try proposing to princesses of low influence Kings and also get your own influence up with some blitzkrieg type offences into neighbouring territories.

Al'
Could have something to do with it, the only problem is that they still uses that behavior even with huge changes. The Italians only owns Crete (and 2 in influence), but still they won't marry of thier princesses while the Danes can have a huge empire (7-8 influence) and marries of their princesses. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif
You could have right on the more regular factions, but some factions are possibly bugged or got very high ratings.

The war marriage is probably bugged though, but it's an exllent bug http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif. I mean I have married 6-7 pricesses from the same faction and we're still at war with eachother.

[Aelwyn]

I've often wanted to run a campaign where there was nothing but inbreeding. Anyone try it yet?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I just want to see what happens after about a century of marrying people to their sister, making them come out looking like http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif I think it'd be funny (and actually rather normal for the time) Moreso normal in other cultures though, but not any less wierd. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[motorhead]

From a post over at .com :


Quote[/b] ]Wicked1066
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(2/2/04 7:46 pm)
Reply Re: No problems so far...
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I usually marry my princesses off to my princes, if for no other reason than that it insures my guy will be married at 17 and will knock out heirs like crazy while waiting for the crown, any excess princesses get married to factions I have a liking for and that are far, far away, as in my experience marrying a princess to an ally does nothing to deter them from attacking you, in fact, it usually results in an attack sooner.

I get inbred on occasion, but then again, so do unmarried fresh outta training generals, and it usually strikes my heirs no matter what I do, and then randomly, so it has no real effect, if the game wants your prince to be inbred, he'll be inbred, nothing you can do about it.

Plus, once your at war it's a bitch to get marriages, using your own girls solves that problem, and, with your princesses taken off the market, you increase the chances of factions they could have been married to dieing off due to no heirs, a nice thing to have happen.

If you DO get inbred, deal with it, send the prince off on foreign conquest missions, relief of sieges, crusades, rebel massacres, get his stars up that way, and as for acumen, it's mainly what his pops does, so make sure your a builder & tax collector of some renown, chances are your kids will be reasonably smart.

I've opted for some inbreeding once in a while, and the only direct effect is that prince gets secret incest.