Vice's and Virtue's???

[MiniKiller]

Aren't they supposed to be random.

In my current campaign I'm testing out the new unit prices I set on all the troops. I dont want my general's to get any major vice's.

Anyway I have a battle with the rebels. Beat him senceless then my 3-star gen gets granted "Strange" I'm like ok, I'll just re-load and spank em again. Again I get the Vice "Stange."

Tried 4 times, all 4 got "Strange" got mad and shut the game down. I thought vice's are supposed to be friggen random. Sometimes I get a presistant Vice but can dissapear with re-loading.

My 3rd Prince has one but I let it go casue he will bever be King and is pretty weak anyway. (Thinking of throwing him at some big rebel army anway.)

Any ideas? Should I keep trying to reload? Grrrrrr I just hate how Vice's are earned in this game.

[RisingSun]

The random seed might be preserved, like the option in CivIII, so if you re-load after a battle, that battle is saved and will turn out the same way. Reminds me of a time when I had a 50% chance of success in Shogun of illing a Daimyo, but I failed and tryed reloading like 15 times failing all of them. Must be the explanation....

[Phatose]

Are you using the quicksave/quickload? From my experience, going to the menu and using load seems to do more for randomizing V&V then quickloading. I don't know why - but I know that if I quickload, let a prince come of age, quickload and do so again, he gets the same V&Vs, but if I let a prince come of age, then load from the menu, he gets different ones.

[MiniKiller]

Ya, I'm using the quick save at the battle screen. Where I select to attack or retreat.

My last normal save I think is 2 or 3 years (game time obviously lol) back.

[R'as al Ghul]

From my experience it doesn't matter if you quicksave or normally save.
I assume that the v/v thing is determined before. I tried several times to reload because of an 0*, drinker heir.
He kept popping up again and again. I even tried to go several years back and still he became a drinker.
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It seems to me as if the v/v are treated differently then battle outcomes and other turn-based actions.
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[MiniKiller]

it was infact the quick save. i tried it 3 more times. all 3 got strange then withdrew, didnt attack, attacked next year and did NOT get strange. wierd.

[o_loompah_the_delayer]

I have seen this several times as well wiht heirs - dont remember wiht generals. If you reload then the V&Vs dont seem to change, but if you quit the game and restart then I have got different V7Vs.

[Yoko Kono]

Quote[/b] (MiniKiller @ Feb. 16 2004,23:56)]it was infact the quick save. i tried it 3 more times. all 3 got strange then withdrew, didnt attack, attacked next year and did NOT get strange. wierd.
mebbe your subjects thought the province an odd choice to attack http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif