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it seems it becomes poular to cheat other and it looks like there are many cheats out.
the good old koku-cheat
and a new 1, i never saw this....
i won and saw vict screen, but it count as a loss!
first i didnt noticed, coz i dont leave room and come every game, so i played this guy twice... but as i saw that he dont loose honour....hehe i checked it...
we need to do something against this!
FAST, if not... this game is dead soon
always new names and u never know who is behind this name....
koc
Kocmoc,
I think there is a bug where a win can be counted as a loss in the database. Also, the honor you see there is only updated once every 24 hours. The comp rating system is broken. Play comp games if you want to, but pay no attention to that number next to your name.
There is a tug of war going on now between people who play fairly and those who do not. This has spilled over into friendly games. Not content to screw people only in comp games, these unfair minded players now get their enjoyment screwing people in friendlies as well. All you can do to combat this is play with people you know.
I was saddened last night when I teamed with a long time player who I know always plays fair. After the game he commented to me, in private, that the battle had been great fun, and he hadn't had fun with this game in a long time. And by fun, I don't mean not competative. The game was between highly competative, but fair minded players.
The WE/MI online game could soon become a 100% dog-eat-dog, anything goes type of online experience if the present trend continues. It doesn't matter how good the game is intrinsically. If the online experience is unenjoyable, the fair minded players will continue to leave.
MizuYuuki ~~~
Clan Takiyama ~~~
BakaGaijin
03-23-2002, 03:58
It's a societal trend. (http://www.gamesnet.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=96)
Apparently, virtue is a dead concept.
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this wasnt a bug!
he told me after game that he cheated!
and he did this to other too, so it wasnt a bug and it hapend not just to me.
yes, i saw some strange things happend too, with guys whom i absolut trust.
but this was 100% a cheat and he was proud of it.
koc
shingenmitch2
03-23-2002, 04:17
Hi Koc,
Sorry to hear about that!
Play me and Yuuk, Krast and Elms (when he's on) and you will always have a fair, fun, decent fight http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif --- but Yuuk and I avoid the comp's exactly for the type of crap you pointed out.
Yuuk is correct, there have been guys (many who should know better) who have been pulling the old BS tricks.
-- Attacking you during the "set-up" phase by stretching their units into other people's set-up circles and then reseting thier troops before hitting begin...
-- The redzone--- I don't mind guys using it to move, BUT guys have been SITTING archers/guns in there again... such crap.
--- and finally guys have been grouping far-spaced units and then marching the one throught the redzone, OFF THE MAP until the unit disappears...
Can't be attacked or seen, until it is brought back onto the board--ususally behind you.
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Beware these dirty tricks, it hurts the game and WASTES MY TIME.
Oh, BTW the Koku cheat is much nastier in WE/MI because of the Weap/Armor upgrades--- u can't simply count flags anymore...
[This message has been edited by shingenmitch2 (edited 03-22-2002).]
Shame on those who cheat! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gifWill destroy the game,ppl will soon only ply ppl they know i guess.
Thought it all about having fun and getting a good name for urself.
Plzs dont destroy the online gamin and ply fair as possible.
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BomilkarDate
03-23-2002, 05:27
There always are some cheaters, some people who dont have honour at all. Thats a sad fact, but today I saw sb. in the forum talking about a cheater (telling others that sb. cheated him) and calling him "cool" and telling, that he is "impressed" about that cheater and his abilities. Where is that leading to? I think to be impressed by a guy who cheats you is really weird (except if you play a friendly cheating contest to explore some bugs). To all cheaters and guys who are being impressed by cheaters I wish you lots of (because you really needed it, not because you deserved it)
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Bomilkar Date
well bomilkar,
its was me who said its cool......and thsi was SARCASM!!!
all understood it, sorry if u got me wrong
...how u could saw i warned the others for this guy.
thats all...
koc
I too have experienced some cheats recently.
I played the same guy twice under different names and he used a koku cheat.
Both the games we played were 10000 koku games, in the first game he used 35075 koku and in the second 64376 koku.
The logfiles for these battles have been sent to the appropriate people.
Stop these people now before the game dies.
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
03-23-2002, 18:46
Cheating was why I left the community before (along with a few other reasons)
I hate people who cheat, and I use the saying of my biology teacher:
If you cheat you only cheat yourself.
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BakaGaijin
03-23-2002, 22:05
Cheaters ruin everything. They've got an inverse Midas touch; everything they touch turns to... err, well it's not gold.
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RageMonsta
03-24-2002, 00:49
More reason to play in tourneys etc....just invite those who you can trust and play them...i have for a long time said that one day we will have to make our own room and have a pass word we can change each week....
As soon as I am back I will rehost the tourney and only include those who are truely willing.....I think if you go to any game you will find cheats.....so we just try and limit their chances.....chin up...take the ruff with the smooth!
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
03-24-2002, 01:22
But then the community would get even smaller, even though it is a good idea.
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Grand Master of
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"non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomine tuo da gloriam"
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Cheating?....what's the point?
Is that stupid number behind a name that important??????
It's disgusting!
Can we appoint some sort of counsel or court of law to nail those foul creatures?
I think we all need to know their names.
No need to protect cheaters...they are dirt!
Greetings,
AggonyKas
Major Robert Dump
03-24-2002, 11:07
Koc and gang I'm sorry to hear of so much garbage going on... I havent really been exposed to many poeple I would call cheats lately unitl i recently hosted a multi and several people dropped when a certain individual entered the game... its a sad by-product of this game.
As for people who use several names, I always find it amusing since its usually totally obvious (u beat them, they leave, 3 seconds later a new name appears and that person challenges u...gee, thats suspicious, eh?) I am Dump or Dumpster always, and I hope you all consider me one of those fair minded players. I like to win -- and may gripe if I lose lol -- but cheat is out of the question.
Major Robert Dump
03-24-2002, 11:10
now that i give it more thought, perhaps i have been victim to the koku cheat but never picked up on it since i tend to think i suck anyways.....this is probably like putting a big red bullseye on my ass by admitting it, but i'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer and I think i need to definately pay more attention when playing comp games now. Thnx for the info
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
03-24-2002, 17:10
I'm with MRD on this one!
I never noticed if I was being cheated, because I always thought the game was just too god damn fun.
Cheaters beware I will set the Rath of...Rath on you and then you will be done for. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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BomilkarDate
03-24-2002, 21:07
@Kocmoc: Well, I am sorry that I thought you were calling a cheater "cool" and all the other things. But I was online, saw you wrote it, I answered sth like cheaters are dishonourable and never cool,... and you answered sth like "no, really this guy is good..." so I thought, well finally one more becoming mad. The prolem was (as far as I think) that my internet connection is so slow and I couldn't see the sarcasm on your face, on my screen. No really mate, sorry again, it was foolish to think you joined the group of people who really think cheating is cool. I wish you (because you deserve it, not because you needed it)
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Strength and honour
Bomilkar Date
Quote Originally posted by Kocmoc:
it seems it becomes poular to cheat other and it looks like there are many cheats out.
the good old koku-cheat
and a new 1, i never saw this....
i won and saw vict screen, but it count as a loss!
first i didnt noticed, coz i dont leave room and come every game, so i played this guy twice... but as i saw that he dont loose honour....hehe i checked it...
we need to do something against this!
FAST, if not... this game is dead soon
always new names and u never know who is behind this name....
koc[/QUOTE]
Koc, about winning and recording a loss.
Do you not remember being beaten in a 4v4 by the Dreads and then your team (you, magy, dareal and spoon I think) recorded a win.
At the time we were upset at this fact.
Don't be so selective Koc in your memories of the game.
Yes there are problems, dont take it so personally Koc.
I seem to remember only dareal offering help to us back then.
I dont want this to start any silly talk of "hunts" just cos I speak up.
You are a good player Koc and have done alot for the community but sometimes you open your mouth before you engage brain on such matters.
Boromir...
And we still have the impostors to deal with.
Yesterday a fake 1master1Boromir caused some comotion. People get confused and frustrated by these creatures....even Tera was fooled for a moment.
Greetings,
AggonyKas
there maybe a bit of confusion regarding the dreadmasters at the moment.
As is well documented, the Dreads shut down, but Lahll and the others have decided to continue.
I am no longer a member of that clan, so any 1master1/1dread1Boromir is a fake.
Boromir
Quote but sometimes you open your mouth before you engage brain on such matters.
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hmmm, sorry boro, plz dont attack me with things wich have nothing to do with what i talk about.
i remember that game and i offerd u a vict for free, dunno what happend there...i cant see any prob.... if its just the honour u want, u can get a free vict with any name from me u want...
i always give rematch or say sorry if there is a mistake...
im sorry for this 4v4, and if ur realy upset about the loss...tell me what i can do about, i realy want to solve any prob...
BUT, i didnt talked about my "loss" or ur "loss" i nether wining about my lovely honour http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif
i just talked about cheater who do it to everyone, who destroy a game who do trouble, who make many guys upset...
i hope u can understand what my intention was.
if u want to attack me plz do it, but dont use such a topic and start with things noone will know, so many treads go after some posts in a complet other direction, plz mail me priv what the real prob is, if ur interested in a solution.
Mike@kocmoc.de
and about my brain, it hurt me a bit hw u talk to me without any real aspect!
maybe u miss some points, it wasnt just 1 game where i got vict screen and lost.. NONONO, it was 2 Games, and after this games i asked that guy, and he told me that he cheated... hope u got it?
it wasnt a little bug wich sadly happen, NO... this guy realy cheated not just against me, against other too...
... now i hope my brain was faster than my mouth...
Mike
PS: i hope u can notice, that i dont go on that level wich u started, i dont hurt u...
...and im realy sorry if my english brings some probs, i know it isnt the best but i try to improve it..and ofcourse we can do this in german too http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Yet again we are misunderstood Koc old friend.
I dont go around "hurting people" I was merely trying to point out that you had seen it before and to your benefit (along time ago and I dont seek honour points)
I apologise about my manner, perhaps it was a bit blunt. Forgive me.
I dont want this to go on cos its boring.
I say you did this, you say I did that, noone else really cares and to be quite frank its childish. I think I am right. You think you are right.
Again I apologise for my rudeness maybe, but not my point.
Someone may close this thread please before it becomes a flame war. Sorry I joined it.
Accept my apologies please moderators.
Boromir.
[This message has been edited by Boromir (edited 03-25-2002).]
I joined a game last week... and while I was waiting for an ally to appear, somebody in the foyer blurted out that the guy hosting the game was a cheater... so I was skeptical, but proceeded on anyway. The allegations were of some kind of koku cheat.
Well... we go into the deployment screen... and as I start to stretch my first unit... the pig host drops the game!
GAH! Guess he had an attack of conscious... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif
Vanya,
He probably didn't like the weather or his favorite cartoon happened to come on the TV. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
I can't understant this kind of behaviour, if someone need to use this kind of things, he's too crap, he's a chiken. If one day i meet this guy in a battle, i will never play again with him.
AND I THINK THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO FLEE THIS KIND OF GUYS. WHEN I WILL REALISE THAT NOBODY WANT TO PLAY WITH HIM, MAY BE HE WILL CHANGE !!!
hmmm, i think its my bad english!
boromir, i got ur point!
but plz think about this....
in this 4v4 it wasnt on purpose, it just happend and noone did know why, we just noticed it... and our opinions are the same about this....it was a sad thing!
but i wrote about a guy who did this on purpose and exactly this is my point...
Thats the difference for me.
i saw some bugs in last years and i never started to talk about something im not 100% sure... so u never before saw in any open forum that i started to talk about cheating.
but in last time it happens often that guys got cheated with the one or other cheat...
and i just felt the need to tell the other my feelings about...
i didnt named names but i always will warn others if i know that the other use a cheat and i thank all the other guys who warned me...
imo its a danger and we all need to make sure that the other player get informed and i think about all the new players who come online and play against such guys...
we talk so often about the player who left and that we become less players each month...
"the good old time" but what we realy do for the community and this game?
we need to react, we need go frontal against this guys, we need to inform newbies that there are many "good" players and we need to inform other about the bad guys...
what i mean are guys wich say in the open lobby that they use cheats, that they are proud of it...
koc
Ok Koc,
I think our points really are the same.
We should stick together, not fight over things like this.
Boromir...
MagyarKhans Cham
03-26-2002, 02:46
Ha I read about that battle in our clanhistory as well Boro... The Dreads were defending and when the battle continued both sides switched locations and wasnt it our remainments of our armies trying to kill your side while you were positioning yourself on totomis back (attackers) edge, with 50% of your remaining units in the "...zone". At that time a famous dread tactic.
You have a good memory, esp. when emphasising the Dreads strength. If you and your old buddies think they are damn good players than do the Questing Contest instead of harrassing wolves in pointless discussions.
Good luck
Cham of chams of the Khan of Khans
Krasturak
03-26-2002, 08:07
Gah!
Krast cares about cheaters ... even if Boromir doesn't.
Krast,
I care about the cheaters, that was not my point. My point was no-one cares about Koc and I bickering like school girls.
GAH! as you so eloquently put it
Boromir
Ok guys! If we can't point out and nail cheaters/dishonourable players...let's take some other action.
We CAN point out the fair and honourable players...why not form a HONOUR SOCIETY?
Just a thought...
AggonyKas
PS I hate to see respected and imho honourable community members fight amongst eachother in public...to me that's the same as to see Christ beating up an old lady. shocking!
come on guys, when 2 of the most respected players start arguing about the past, the cheaters start to win the battle. forget the past, look to the future. lets all unite and stop the few that cheat.
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
03-26-2002, 19:12
I'm lost, what are you lot chatting about now??? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif
As I seem to think it is Boro and Koc having an arguement about the past. Tis a sad day!
Come on guys we all have the same thoughts on this (possibly except Tankdogg) and so lets not argue but agree.
I'll cya later I'm off to eat some pizza.[/*]
Plus if anyone sees Rath online before Wednesday evening GMT wish him well for he is to get up at 6am to watch England v Italy.[/*]
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Quote Originally posted by MagyarKhans Cham:
Ha I read about that battle in our clanhistory as well Boro... The Dreads were defending and when the battle continued both sides switched locations and wasnt it our remainments of our armies trying to kill your side while you were positioning yourself on totomis back (attackers) edge, with 50% of your remaining units in the "...zone". At that time a famous dread tactic. [/QUOTE]
It doesnt warrant a response really, but for those that do not know the Dreads actively campaigned for the non use of redzone and NEVER EVER used it ourselves.
I must defend the old Clan name in light of what I consider to be accusations of cheating.
Not something that should be tolerated I feel.
Wolves are extinct in many places of the world. Start reading the Dodo's life history.
Boromir...
shingenmitch2
03-26-2002, 21:24
GAH! Stop it both of u!
Dreads have been very honorable players and so has Koc and Magy.
One game, a year ago, where things got "wierd" isn't what this post was about. Yes, there is sometimes a "win/loss" glitch, but Koc seems to have encountered something else...
Magy - ur defensiveness was not helpful.
Boro - u're a bit too sensitive here as well.
[This message has been edited by shingenmitch2 (edited 03-26-2002).]
1Dread1Star
03-27-2002, 00:03
Hmmm.... to be pulled from my Geisha retirement home to come and take a few boys out back of the shed for a good "switchin'" to KocMoc for resisting the temtation to re-enter into yet another senseless word war over yet again.... a miscommunication. Yes.. Boromir might have been a little sensitive to this issue but one must understand that long ago... when clans raged over the dominance of the old STW, the DreadMasters and the Wolves stared at each other with gleaming eyes. Not over hatred, but over who would rule the lands. It was a glorious time where epic battles were fought where actual 4v4 clan battles took place,and to my knowledge, the first appearance of the infamous "bugs". Several unsettled scores remain as both wins and losses were met for both sides. Not in a sour or hateful manner, but these things are to be expected when two mighty clans fought for their lands. Any reference to the "past" should be left alone and instead, prepare for the new and upcoming "Mideivel" which should bring newer challenges and territories to be conquered. Again, to both Kococ and Boromir for having settled their differences in a quick and short manner. As for Magy, tisk..tisk... from the placement of your post, it should have been obvious that they had already settled their differences and further intervention from yourself to simply "fuel" the fire was un-necessary and uncalled for. You should receive a "5 minute" misconduct for interference. As several of the posts in this thread indicate, let bygones be bygones and let's all help to flourish this community rather than accellerate it's extinction.
*Star*
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
03-27-2002, 00:18
*pulls out botty smacker and looks around for victims*
Now are you boys gonna behave or do I need to give this weapon to Rath??? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Grand Master of
The Knights Templar
"non nobis Domine non nobis sed Nomine tuo da gloriam"
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Hail the old Star.
He was such a good emissary and that post goes to prove it. He can put things so eloquently whereas I charge and rise to the bait like a fool sometimes.
Thank you Star.
Toda,- Keep that Botty smacker away from me!!
Boromir...
wont forget such nice words http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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MagyarKhans Cham
03-27-2002, 02:15
Star Boro and all others
ur right my post is late, just after they settled. But as many times a/or/the wolves are pulled thru the mud and then afterwards we get an apologie. But the damage to our reputation is already done. Boro did it before and does it know. That did just triggered me, and eventually i have to report it at the Khans Ordu.
The most sad example for similar behaviour is some "honorable" shoggy members of a more "honourable" clan called our Khan an "Hitler" in the forums.... but the apology came in the private chatbox in the foyer much later. Thats just not how we do business. You can understand this.
So Boro, start focussing on others or my Khan but not on this nice wolf who is just unlucky he cant respond in his native languague and uses 200 english words at max to complete all his ideas and thoughts in here. As a proof for this he even copied some of your words for his quotes http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Now buzz of and enlist and play our contest.... experts only.
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Magyar Khan
03-27-2002, 07:00
hu? what going on around here? is it boromir again? trying to be as rude as me boro? come join my lessons at the ordu...
CeltiberoSkullXIII
03-27-2002, 14:50
?????????????????????????? sh**t
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It is time to end this matter.
I have apologised for my part in this rubbish. I think there is little else I can do.
If it won't be accepted then that is not my decision.
My apology for loose tonguedness stands.
Boromir...
Tankdogg123
03-28-2002, 00:32
I thought this forum had a no-naming policy or am I just the exception?
YagyuKamiizumi
04-01-2002, 15:43
I thought someone was cheating in one of my first online games and found out by chance. The logfile (I didn't even know about it then) was one day from falling off and I caught it just in time. Just in time for what? I was unsure this person cheated so I emailed it to one of (if not the)oldest member of the community and my suspicions were confirmed. And this was only a koku cheat by about a couple thousand not the tens of thousands I have been hearing about but still a cheat and enough to give me serious doubts about continuing online play. Instead I joined a clan and play with people I trust. I wish I could play more people but with cheaters, fake names and some clans recruiting standards just going to sh@# it ain't worth the trouble. I would really enjoy not having a tournament but maybe just arranging for a couple of clans to meet up in a room with a password and play 1v1's, 2v2's, etc. whatever they wish but at least you're in a room where you're meeting and playing other people and strengthening the community from within. I am not surprised there are many cheaters in a way because this is a difficult game to master and after getting beat over and over the temptation to find the cheats would be very great. The clan system and this forum have gone a long way in helping the newbie find his way. I'll admit I was overwhelmed the first time I logged into the foyer. No patch, no maps, no clue as to what everyone else was doing just sitting there watching it all with wide-eyed wonder. But I digress... Even though this thread turned kinda bad it was kinda neat to see all the names that turned up that although I don't know I have heard about. That really says something about this place doesnt it?
MagyarKhans Cham
04-01-2002, 19:52
u read the logfile with a texteditor or a logfilereader....? be aware that every logfilereader makes an error with kensais in the army, and perhaps also with other units.
I'll just expand a bit on what Magyar is pointing out. Apparently, the logfile makes an error in reporting the koku spent if a unit gains honor during the battle. This is really bad with the kensai because I found that the kensai is always reported as having +2 honor over what you bought him for. He doesn't need any kills for this to happen. If there is a kensai in the army, the total koku spent will be reported as higher than what was allowed. It could be as much as 14K reported in a 10K battle, but it is usually only 1K to 2K over. It's a bug. One of many bugs in this game.
MizuYuuki ~~~
YagyuKamiizumi
04-02-2002, 10:05
The old community member I sent the logfile to was NOT the cheater. This member examined it and told the me person had cheated. I read it in notebook first BTW. I am aware of the Kensai problem and was assured that was not the case. The actual 'cheater' is pretty old member of the community also but I am over it. My intention was not to complain about cheating but more to illustrate my early experience with it and my attitude since. I never called this cheater out and never will. I just want to be able to play with good honorable players when my clanmates aren't on.
i remember a game, in wich Lordted could called me a cheater.
he hosted a 5k game, but we tryed to play a 1k game, so he changed the koku, there is a delay in what u see and what the other host are doin, so he changed to 1k, but i joined some secs earlyer, so he got 1k and i got 5k.
if this would happend to some other player, hehe im sure this logfile would move some ways, but ted know that this wasnt a cheat it was just a bug which happend 1 time to me...
i try to say, that many things can happen and u should talk with that guy about, if he do it regulary u can say he cheat or if he say that he do it like other guys ...
koc
ElmarkOFear
04-03-2002, 21:29
Dreads and Wolves fighting for supremacy over shogun? Everyone KNOWS the premier clan ever to grace the fields of battle were the FEARFUL WAYS!! ***UglyElmo looks around, ducks head and runs out of room laughing hysterically*** Chill out guys, this has happened before and will happen again, just ride it out and keep track of names to avoid playing and don't be drawn into verbal wars in the lobby. Ignoring them is the best way to piss them off. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Though I'm not really ignoring, my old eyes just can't see the chat area very well ... especially after having a few drinks from my JUG o' Shine!! wooohooo
Koku cheat always existed and will always exist. Guys did you ever encounter a guy buying ALL hon9 units in a 5k game? Well, I did. I don't think thats a log file error, don't you think? Other than the koku cheat no other cheat exists in this game for MP.
However cheaters are a minority and I didn't meet one in a long time now - I just let them go. More than cheaters I am more concerned about the increase of MORONS lately on the MI server. Guys that care only about the number next to their names; we are not speaking about honour hunters like Kocmoc or whoever - those gain their honour by fair play and thanks to their great skills. I am speaking about those who are utter crap at this game but exploit ALL the weakness of this game; redzone, high honour ashis, lots of guns; the "dissapearing" units like shingenmitch said to get up in the player ladder and boast on how good they are. Moreoever they are mostly arrogant guys who are really no fun and have pushed me out of this game for MONTHS. I began playing again now; and because of these I am already starting to regret it.
Lately this is the trend it seems, honour at all costs. Unfortunately noone stops them...at least the honour society was a good institution to encourage honourable play - it may have died out after some time - but at least it was a firm example on how someone should play and advance in this game.
Tera
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evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 04-03-2002).]
I agree with Tera, I rather lose a game (that's easy for me, because my skills are not...uhh..well I just s**k) then picking an "unbalanced" army. Some of those guys think Aggony is a weak clan...well the way they look at this game...they are right!
We accept unskilled newbies, as long as they are nice, loyal and honourable. We train and support our recruits...and if they don't reach the top....so what?
If one of our members/recruits behaves bad, we teach them how to behave, being nice and honourable is most important to us.
The game must be fun to play and the community must be honourable.
Why not reinstate The Honour Society?
I'm probably very naive.
Kas
Cheating and dishonourable play surely is not a way to achieve success and be one of the best players in the game.
This is a vicious circle...the guys I mentioned in my last post may have high honour but their skill is only virtual. Only morons like them think they're doing "good".
Dishonourable play = noone respects them = noone plays them = they play the same group of ppl = they don't improve at all.
Honourable player = respect is gained = everyone plays them = they play different people with different skills = they improve very much.
That is the path to being a top player. I think Kocmoc or any other "elite" player can confirm it.
Tera.
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DeathOnaPaleHorse
04-04-2002, 07:11
The fact that a post like this about an important subject has degraded into a battle of wits between two skilled players and their groupies is bringing me to one conclusion. I think i'll only be playing Shogun against people I already know from now on.
I tire of these fool debates between some of you. Most of you I've found entertaining, honest, informative and endearing. Other times I come in and read some of these posts, and it sounds like some of you actually think you are warlords in real life, with your own personal entourage and fueds. It's quite sad more than anything else. I think I'll go back to UT.
Well said Tera.I do hope this trend doesnt continue http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
I myself live for Shogun,and dont want it spoiled, and drive away true plyers with honour and respect for others.Im hoping to be a up and comin plyer of the future,and gain skills like most have online.Yet, when and if i reach the grade as plyers mentioned above.I cant see many ppl still plyin shogun.Which as i said before be very sad day! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
Plzs dont be Jerks!ply Shogun as it was ment to be. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Think of others and not urself.
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Quote Originally posted by Kocmoc:
i remember a game, in wich Lordted could called me a cheater.
he hosted a 5k game, but we tryed to play a 1k game, so he changed the koku, there is a delay in what u see and what the other host are doin, so he changed to 1k, but i joined some secs earlyer, so he got 1k and i got 5k.
if this would happend to some other player, hehe im sure this logfile would move some ways, but ted know that this wasnt a cheat it was just a bug which happend 1 time to me...
i try to say, that many things can happen and u should talk with that guy about, if he do it regulary u can say he cheat or if he say that he do it like other guys ...
koc[/QUOTE]
lol
ted u can remember that game?
nope
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DeathOnaPaleHorse, that was very perceptive and gutsy post.
GAH! The number next to my name is too high. I am striving to acheive HONOR 0. I compell all y'all to do the same. Then the number will be meaningless. And when the honor-mongers came a-knocking, and you BEAT them, imagine the honor loss they will suffer! Oh, the damage to their pride! Oh!
GAH! I already joined a few games where after a few minutes, the host says 'Gee *******, you honor is too low. Leave!'
GAH!
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