Muslim zeal...or lack thereof

[kawligia]

Well I just started playing some muslim factions and my jihads are pretty pathetic. I assume its because the zeal in my provences is about a 18% average. How can you raise zeal. I tried filling up provences with alims, but to no avail.

[RZST]

well i dont know how but whenever i launch jihads, i make sure i make a minimum on 6 jihads. i make an army specially bred for a jihad then just use that army to join 1 jihad. :)

multiple jihads rock.

[kawligia]

well since they only cost 500 thats a good option, but I wish I could raise the zeal and pick up some free units.

[RZST]

oh and not to mention when you conquer with the jihads...all of the jihads, notice your influence AND piety go wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy up :), its pretty cheap but its nice, very nice.

[Shahed]

You can raise zeal with "Imams" NOT with "Alims". "Alims" only raise the precentage of Muslim population. "Imam"s also raise zeal. You need a "Grand Mosque" to produce "Imams".

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[kawligia]

AHA I see. Thank you Sinan.

I suppose it works the same with the second level Catholic and Orthodox religious agents no?

[Phatose]

Not quite.

Catholic Bishops affect catholic faith percentage. Cardinal also do that, but are more effective. Inquisitors raise zeal, and grand inquisitors raise it more effectively, but both might start barbequing the local population with catastrophic effects on zeal.

Orthodox priests effect orthodox faith, and do their bishops. There is no need for orthodox zeal, so no unit affects it.

Alims turn people Muslim. Imam's turn people muslim and make them zealous.


The actual numbers according to the games files:

Bishop: +2 Catholic faith
Cardinal +5 Catholic faith
Inquisitor: +2 catholic zeal
G. Inquisitor: +5 catholic zeal
Priest: +2 Orthodox faith
Bishop: +5 Orthodox faith
Alim: +2 Muslim faith
Imam: +5 muslim faith, +2 muslim zeal

[Ironside]

And by some reson Imams can't raise provinces zeal to 100%, but have some fixed number that varies from every province http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif.
Now you don't need to ask the question on why you can't get 100% zeal as a muslim http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Zone]

I did wonder about that... I assumed the gits around me had loads of spies or something in there to stop it etting any higher. You learn something new etc. etc. :)

[The_Emperor]

Even if you can't raise province Zeal up to 100% the number of Jihad troops you get in your starting province if its up to 75% or even 80% is great (and you can get some really good troops in there)

If you compare it to Catholic Crusades, they get far fewer troops when a crusade is started and often have to add them, or travel through many high zeal provinces to make up the numbers.

Zeal seems to be more effective for Muslims than it does for Catholics, that may be why there's a cap on it.

[Kristaps]

Quote[/b] (Zone @ Feb. 22 2004,05:17)]I did wonder about that... I assumed the gits around me had loads of spies or something in there to stop it etting any higher. You learn something new etc. etc. :)
I think, the zeal is capped in all provinces: the cap varies from province to province though. I suspect, one can bring the zeal to 100% both: in catholic and islam provinces through vices of governors. Leave a governor in a province with higher than 70% zeal and he will pick up zeal enhancing vices soon...

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[Imperial Buffoon]

Two things about Muslim zeal:
- You can also build Mosque/Ribat to raise zeal, I'm not sure about numbers but in my current Turkish campaign, the zeal in most of my provinces is around 20, which is Ok compared to the 10% they started with

- Another thing is that zeal is conserved when you invade a province, isn't it? So invade a catholic province, build a mosque and ribat and start pumping out fully fleshed jihads (Actually I don't know whether this really works, has anyone tried it?)
IB

[Doug-Thompson]

Quote[/b] (Sinan @ Feb. 21 2004,23:34)]You can raise zeal with "Imams" NOT with "Alims". "Alims" only raise the precentage of Muslim population. "Imam"s also raise zeal. You need a "Grand Mosque" to produce "Imams".
That's the ticket.

Multiple, successful Jihads also raise a ruler's piety rating to great heights. That increases the size of the next round of Jihads.

I'll often besiege a province one turn, retreat to let it revert to enemy control the next turn, then launch multiple Jihads and re-invade the province on the third turn. The result is a ruler who has the piety rating needed to summon powerful Jihads in the next round.

Letting an insignificant province rebel, then overrunning them with Jihads produces the same effect.

Question: Do the mercenary units in a Jihad's starting province contribute troops, even if you haven't hired them?

I've declared Jihads as Almohads and found Saracen infantry joining up, for instance.

[Ironside]

Citera[/b] (Doug-Thompson @ Feb. 23 2004,20:22)]Question: Do the mercenary units in a Jihad's starting province contribute troops, even if you haven't hired them?

I've declared Jihads as Almohads and found Saracen infantry joining up, for instance.
I've gotten Abbysinian guards as the Almohads. It seems to be that the troops can be risen in some provinces, like that crusades can get polish retainers from Poland and surrounding provinces. The troops aren't in the merc-pool atleast.
If you ever gotten one of these troops in a jihad when playing the wrong faction, then mercs has nothing to do with it.
Nizaris
Any jannisaries
Futuwas
These troops can't be hired as mercs.

[Doug-Thompson]

Quote[/b] (Ironside @ Feb. 24 2004,01:30)]IIf you ever gotten one of these troops in a jihad when playing the wrong faction, then mercs has nothing to do with it.
Nizaris
Any jannisaries
Futuwas
These troops can't be hired as mercs.
That answers the question, because I've had Nizaris and Futuwas join Jihads. Thanks.

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