Multiplayer Armies

[Sillius Soddus]

Hi.

I have recently been having problems with Multiplayer battles in that I have been getting my ass kicked.

Does anyone have any advice on what the best army configuration is in a standard 10K (High period)game? I must be doing something very wrong.

I play a lot as the English but also as the Spanish and Byzantines.

[Math Mathonwy]

I believe the Kenchi site has some kind of guide about this, not sure though.

[Sillius Soddus]

Yes I have found it, cheers.

[Gregoshi]

Well, well, well. It is about time you showed up Welcome to the Org Sillius. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Your friend Biggus Dickus has been waiting for you for over six months.

I'll not give you any advice on winning MP battles as it is a foreign experience for me too. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[ichi]

Sillius:

Some simple things that I have found that really help.

There is of course the Unit Compare tool and the Army Builder, both valuable.

But for a basic start, go into Custom Battle and build some armies there. I set up custom 4v4 with 40000 florins then experiment.

Remember when you are in a battle (or in pre-battle setup) you can look at unit stats using the F1 key.

I don't use spears in 10K MP (sometimes in Viking era, or very high florin games maybe). In order to get morale up they cost too much, and they kill too slow IMHO.

My philosophy is to get the highest quality troops with minimal upgrades, rather than cheaper units with lots of upgrades. I vary this somewhat for desert and snow.

Bring 6 swords, I try to use 4 V3 FMAA and 2 V3 CMAA. Whatever you do make sure that your inf is morale 8 minimum.

Bring 4 missiles. Currently I use 2 Xbows/arbs and 2 pav xbow/arbs, but vary depending on how much florins I have. Remember that pav arbs = 300 florin, arbs = 275, pav xbows 225 and xbows 200. Arty isnt a good deal, but rarely I substitute 1 catapult (at 225 florins) for one xbow, usually on defense on the Steppe. 4 missiles cost less than 1200 florins, and this saves florins for melee units. Some folks also use Arqs, but thats a whole 'nother topic.

Do not think that fewer missiles = better melee, cause if you swap a sword for a missile (EG you only bring 3 missiles) you must settle for lower quality melee troops.

Use a cav for gen. Currently I use either a V0 Feudal Knight or a Mounted Sarg to save florins. I want mobility but try not to fight with my gen unless necessary (altho I frequently fail in this goal which leads to my rapid exit)

V1 Feudals slightly more expensive and slightly better than V0 Chivs. I use 4 V0 Chivs and that usually leaves me enuff for another Feudal Knight at V0 or V1.

IMHO Byz are pretty weak at 10K. At 15K in Early and high the Byz are quite powerful. If used properly, the Byz can rock at 10k, but generally their morale is too low at that price.

Since you also mentioned the English, I'll add that Bills are OK at 10K but again, they cost a lot if you get their valor up high enuff to fight. If you use the English, sub a LB or two for a missile and sword.

Finally, next time you in a game with some pros steal their army. Especially when in a game with unlimited camera movement, get a pen and write down the units and valor of the other armies and then save the replay and watch how they are used and how they perform. Or just ask guys for advice about their army.

In summary: 6 cav, 4 missile, 6 inf, with cav and inf at morale 8 or higher. Works well as a start for standard Catholic Army (some changes in desert or snow).

ichi

[Sillius Soddus]

Thanks for the warm welcome Gregoshi.

and thanks for the advice Warlord Ichi. Looking at some of my replays I think my problem was that I didn't have enough Missiles, either that or my inf didn't have enough Valor. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

Well I'll do what you sugguest and see how I fare.

Thanks again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[The_Emperor]

Welcome to the Org Sillius Soddus.

Life of Brian is great ain't it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
Some very Good advice from Ichi, that advice should also help me refine my army list as well as yours.

Multiplayer is hard, I have lost more times than I have won thats for sure. But when you do win against a human it is a great feeling (especially in a large 4v4 battle).

Goodluck. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[FuNkY mOnKeY]

stick at it you'll get better infact, im still a n00b when it comes to MP battles... but its a great feeling when you rout and enemy, causing victory, like when my team defeated 3 7's and on something or other (in a clan, cant remember name) or when yesterday i routed two people, one happened to be 7Bear7Furious I felt so happy, so stick at it, improve strategies and youll get there =)

[R'as al Ghul]

Hi ichi

There is of course the Unit Compare tool and the Army Builder, both valuable

This Army Builder Tool, what is it and where can you get it?
Cheers

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

You can get [FF]Almicar army builder there (http://personales.ya.com/almircar/)

Basically, you pick up your army like in the unit selection screen, and at the same time, you can the stats, costs, etc, of your whole army.

Very valuable when starting, or trying out unfamilira faction.

Louis,

[Sun Tzui]

Welcome to the Org Sillius http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif



The Unit Compare tool and the Army Builder are just what you're looking for, as said before....

* thinking....this [FF]Almicar army builder is a new thing to me...but a useful new thing though*

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http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Senta]

some great tips in this thread http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Sillius Soddus]

Wow thanks for the hints guys. I'll begin download for those editors. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Fanty]

I am having problems installing the Army builder.

The installation routine is in a Romanic language, possibly Spanish or Italian?

I get an errormessage with I dont understand :(

[Fanty]

Oh ok.

I think I made it work by not installing but decompressing all stuff by hand in one folder and copy the txt files of my game to that folder aswell...

Hmmm