invading sicily

[misterphil]

It may be a daft question, but how do you invade Sicily? I now have a collection of around 60 barques and caravels in the Med., and have sunk every other fleet there. However, no boats will go into the Sicilian sector - even though the king is
dead and they have since become rebels ...

Is there another shipyard upgrade that I need for a special type of boat?

It is 1267 - I conquered the whole of the map apart from Sicily and the pope (saving hime til last) about 15 years ago - I'm now reduced to removing all the troops from provinces to provoke rebellions to keep my hand in ...

Two other comments:
1) The golden horde - it appeared, on schedule in 1230, and I thought Ha Ha That will keep those pseky Russians of my back for a while - 1231 - a message appears - the Great Khan has been killed. He has no heirs. The golden horde are packing up and going home
They re-emerged a few years later in Georgia - unfortunately for them in the province that I was using for my staging post for the Southern attack on Novorgod - At the time I had 1 complete stack of Royal knights, 1 or archers, 2 of billmen and 1 of MAA - oops

2) Where do the Swedes get off rebelling and suddenly getting 8 units of Chivalric knights, 3 units of archers and 5 of Royal knights - where did they come from? Not a peasant or woodsman in sight

Thanks for listening, and any suggestions for Sicily would be very welcome.

[squippy]

You should be able to get to Sicilian waters with any boat, even the first available for any faction. Its a coastal sea with no special concerns AFAIK. Can you be more explicit fo how you are trying to do it and what kind of problem you are running into?

I like to think of the rebelling troops as the disenfranchised/disloyal amongst the other factiosn, wioth a leavening of local peasnats and ideaologues. Remember, of class, you do not control the entire national GDP, only the revenues of your dynasty: there is significant wealth still in the population which they circulate amongst themselves.

[misterphil]

Thanks for the prompt reply

With regards to the boats problem, when I want to move a boat, I drag it, and the avialable seas highlight in green. However, regardless of the type of boat, the sea area around Sicily does not highlight ... For that matter, nor does the area in the west - is it the Western Med?

[Imperial Buffoon]

For Western Med and other areas that are not next to land zones, you do need to pick the right type of boat (barques can't go in deep sea).
For the rest, we would need some more details...
IB

[squippy]

Are you sure its Sicily and not, like, Crete? Cos Sicily should be reachable with a galley or barque. the only other thing that it could be is that the boat has not enough movement to reach the Sicilian waters this turn.

[misterphil]

Oops How terribly embarrassing Of course I do - sorry for this

It's the island within a rectangular sea zone, linked by a horizontal line to the little island off the coast of africa.

Sorry for the confusion

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[Phatose]

Oh...Malta. That explains that.

If you look on the strategic map, Malta is blown up - the rectangular ocean area isn't a sea, but rather the enlarged view of Malta. There a little arrow thingy on the left side, showing where the island actually is in the malta channel. Put some boats in the malta channel, and you'll be able to invade.

[misterphil]

Thanks for that - Europe now quails before the might of my armies ha ha Ha Ha HA HA HA

[Seven.the.Hun]

oh bother...in the end, u could just send a few thousand assassins in to get the job done...ouch, now that would be an odd pursuit indeed... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif

[Duchesse Anne de Bretagne]

I had a Malta invasion problem.

I was playing the English and had very large fleets in the Med, including around Malta. However, I could not seem to invade no matter how I tried.

I assumed that perhaps since the King of Sicily (who owned only Malta at that point) had a higher number of ships in the sea-space with the island than I did (4 for him, 3 for me) that he had local naval superiority or somesuch thing.

So I moved a total of 6 ships in, but I STILL could not land an army on the island.

I had not had problems invading any of the other Mediterranean islands, so I am stumped. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Thoughts?

[Seth Infinite]

I he has any ships in a region you cannot attack him through it. Sink his ships then you can invade. Hold down the v key (control v?) and the seas should change colors.
Green is yours, yellow is shared and red is blockaded. Hope this helps.

[Seth Infinite]

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Is there no way to edit a post here? I hate putting my stupid mistakes out for everyone to see.

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[Shamus]

If the faction of the territory you are trying to invade has any ships along the sea-path (link of sea squares from the province containing your troops, to the province you are trying to invade), you can’t invade. So even if you have 10 ships in a sea square next to the province you want to invade, and they have 1, you can’t invade. Destroy any ships owned by the Sicilians that block your sea path to Malta, and you will be able to invade. Does that make sense?

[Shamus]

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Is there no way to edit a post here? I hate putting my stupid mistakes out for everyone to see.

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If I remember correctly, you can’t edit a post until you become a member of the forum.

[Duchesse Anne de Bretagne]

Yes, thank you Seth and Shamus.

That makes a great deal of sense. Perhaps I could even add *doh* I understood the trade-blocking function of enemy ships, but for some reason that did not pass through into my thinking about invading by sea.

::Pens orders to Admiral Nelson:: Sink the Sicilian Navy. - Anne, Regina

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[Xiphias]

I would have thought they'd be gone in a few hundred years.

Senior Patrons can edit their posts too.

There are more advanced ships for most factions (english get cogs and carracks, cogs get a valour bonus in wessex). The advanced shipyards do require a cannon foundry though.

[bighairyman]

Quote[/b] (squippy @ Feb. 23 2004,09:31)]Are you sure its Sicily and not, like, Crete? Cos Sicily should be reachable with a galley or barque. the only other thing that it could be is that the boat has not enough movement to reach the Sicilian waters this turn.
You don't need ships to go to Sicily, if you own Naples, you can just walk to Sicily. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif