Your allies fighting on the side of your mutual

[kawligia]

Where to start?

First of all, the I am playing the Turks. The Germans were my allies and launched a crusade to an Egyptian provence (Tripoli). Instead asking permission to move through my area, my allies just attaked. I abandoned the provence rather than retreat, because I just wanted them to move on and not stay to lay seige. It worked and the next turn they moved through my next provence on the way to the Egyptians. The next turn they cease to be a crusade and become two huge stacks as if their crusade were completed Why? You can't change your objective provence in the middle of a crusade And why did they attack rather than pass through?

Second, the French, who were at WAR with the Germans mind you, offered and alliance. I accepted and the next turn they moved a crusade through my provence asking for permission and recieving it. Then they went through my provence that was under siege by the aforementioned Germans. I then attacked the germans to relieve the siege while the french were still there. But instead of the french being onMY side,(who were MY allies and the German's ENEMIES) they fought on the Germans side WTF????? Aren't you supposed to ATTACK your ENEMIES and HELP your FRIENDS? I checked the next turn and I was still allied with the french and the french and the germans were still at war with each other Then the NEXT turn the french attacked my next provence with their crusade. WTF????

Please help.

[squippy]

I have had a crusade collapse, because the target province was taken by an ally IIRC, and I kept all the troops.

[Nowake]

Wierd situation. Probably if you try to break the siege, you have to attack all the forces in a province. Fuzzy CA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif

[katank]

that's really strange although I think crusades are somehow special and they aid each other. I have seen my crusade and another factions swapping control of a province and alternately sieging infidels.
Don't despair though as you can just launch multiple jihad there. (you did build tons of spare markers, right?)

[lancer63]

Catholic Crusades can't just 'pass' through muslim provinces. They must attack them even when they're their allies. You were playing a muslim faction so your german ally much as he hated it had to break the alliance and punish you for being an infidel. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

About the second question, well... ain't crusades a beach http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Now seriously I only know If the french were neutral to you as you sent in reinforcements on an already black province with a green castle, It's my guess they were already allies with the germs, or they might not. I've had three sided battles that don't look like it. I just assumed the other two factions were bunching up on me untill one time I noticed almost by chance that while my biz. boys were trying to gain higer ground from, what I tought was, a turk/egyptian army I began to hear battle cries on my back. I found that strange for I knew the enemy was too far away to charge so early. So I turn around I see my two enenmies boninking each other. so I stop my men, send the treb archers to help increase the carnage and some 10 minutes later I send my Biz. lancers and HAs to mop up. That one was loads of fun. Hope it helps. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[kawligia]

Obviously they CAN "just pass" through muslim lands b/c the french did it until they met up with those d@amn germans. Also a crusade is supposed to attack enemy provences right? You can't ask permission to cross your enemies land The french should have attacked the germans becuase they were at war before this and still were at war after this happened. Also the german crusade had collapsed so it couldn't be that crusades are "helping each other out", so why did my allies fight on the side of our MUTUAL enemy?

I can see how the crusade may have collapsed from loosing the chapter house, and it is very likely as the germans were at war with the french. One down three to go. I would also for the record like to say that it is very cheap and stupid that you are forced to attack when your crusade falls and you are not in your land. It should just charge you for the journey home the same as it does when you relieve an allies seige and there is no port in that provence and no adjacent borders (it kinda works like a ransom).

[Seven.the.Hun]

crusades passing through allied muslim nations...yes this is an oddity of a situation, i'd probably expect all the odd nonsense too, i mean its gotta be strange strange strange...wow

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[Senta]

i had a strange situation once, i was besieging Mercians, and my allies, Welsh came to my aid... they got to keep the province, since they had more troops, and on top of that they "kidnapped" my army http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif, demanding a huge ransom which i had to pay, since it was my Viking King, and the strongest heir as well (i'd of course win this battle by myself, i'd also get out of Welsh reach if given the chance to actually fight them)... i paid them, and they were still my allies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif ... i finished them off few turns later, but it costed me way too much...
has anything like that ever happened to you?

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[Sociopsychoactive]

I've had crusades launched against one muslim faction have to fight their way through another all the time, no getting refused entry, just had to fight straight off, and we were allied.

The strangest thing I've seen is two crusades fighting each other, while I was trying to fight them both myself

My Byzabntine game, The fench launch a large crusade toward constantinople (I'm the tastyest crusade target on the map) and attack my border at Hungry. We win, but most of the crusaders marched straight off the field so the army is still strong. Meanwhile the spanish, who are allied to the french and nutral with me (everyone is nutral or at war, I'm to big to get allies anymore), launch their own crusade to constantinople.

The spanish crusade starts it;s long journey over land (I control the sea's) but almost all provinces are 70% zeal or more (Nearly 100% in spain) so they pick up loads of troops, especially from the large french armies.

The french crusade attacks, but retreats without fighting every time in hungry, then the spanish crusade gets there, and they both attack at once counting as allies. I take a look at numbers, nearly 4000 in total (french crusade was sticking at about 1500 troops cus of hig zeal) and retreat, lewaving the castle full and expecting to have to relieve it.

I leave a full squad in the next province along the line, and move three squads in to deal with the pesky crusades, only for them to move on and attack the one full squad. Fine, I think, see it;s a bridge battle, and prepare to defend.

The battle starts with the french and spanish as allies, me as the enemy, and them both the other side of a single bridge.

I line up my squads, then laugh my socks off as the french and spanish charge at each other and hack each other to pieces

Both crusader armies attacked each other at the same time, the french eventually won, but then were chased off the field with no effort, as they had been severely weakened in the battle with the spanish, the remaining 700 or so troops would have been easy to deal with in open field, let alone over a bridge. Both crusades were wiped out in one blow, by each other, as they had no-where to reatreat to.

Help each other out? they started a war

[R'as al Ghul]

@ Senta;


Quote[/b] ]i had a strange situation once, i was besieging Mercians, and my allies, Welsh came to my aid... they got to keep the province, since they had more troops, and on top of that they "kidnapped" my army , demanding a huge ransom which i had to pay, since it was my Viking King, and the strongest heir as well (i'd of course win this battle by myself, i'd also get out of Welsh reach if given the chance to actually fight them)... i paid them, and they were still my allies ... i finished them off few turns later, but it costed me way too much...
has anything like that ever happened to you?

Yes it happened to me. I guess this is why:
The Province went to the Welsh because of their higher numbers. In the cause of the battle the port was destroyed thus leaving you no chance to get back to a friendly province. So you're being captured by the welsh and ransomed back. Either this is no cause for war or you haven't had an adjacent province to them thus resulting in auto-ceasefire.
Hope this helps
Cheers

[Senta]

Quote[/b] (R'as al Ghul @ Feb. 25 2004,11:32)]@ Senta;


Quote[/b] ]i had a strange situation once, i was besieging Mercians, and my allies, Welsh came to my aid... they got to keep the province, since they had more troops, and on top of that they "kidnapped" my army , demanding a huge ransom which i had to pay, since it was my Viking King, and the strongest heir as well (i'd of course win this battle by myself, i'd also get out of Welsh reach if given the chance to actually fight them)... i paid them, and they were still my allies ... i finished them off few turns later, but it costed me way too much...
has anything like that ever happened to you?

Yes it happened to me. I guess this is why:
The Province went to the Welsh because of their higher numbers. In the cause of the battle the port was destroyed thus leaving you no chance to get back to a friendly province. So you're being captured by the welsh and ransomed back. Either this is no cause for war or you haven't had an adjacent province to them thus resulting in auto-ceasefire.
Hope this helps
Cheers
well, come to think of it, the port was destroyed, but when i bought my men back, i was still allied to Welsh, that's the strange part... but you're right in everything else, thanks i'll pay closer attention from now on...

[kawligia]

No that has nothing to do with war. They are simply charging you for the trip home. It is a feature that should definatelly NOT be in the game though...those ungrateful b@startds.

[Crash]

It happened to me once too. I don't remember if I had the option to withdraw before the battle, since it was an invasion by sea, but I assume the option was there. The lesson here is it to withdraw if your ally has the bigger army.

[kawligia]

Or just don't fight if it is close, that way you will have the larger force at the END of the battle. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif