the Huns...

[Seven.the.Hun]

and how do the org peeps view the huns in the war aspect???

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[Gregoshi]

Can you more specific about what you mean Seven? Are you talking in the game or in history?

[jimmy]

if you think about it the huns were a product of the roman empire if they had not supplied attila with the means to maintain an army. [namely money ]the huns would have not been the force they became. of course on attilas death they vanished as quickly as they grew in power. also they left no books or personal accounts of themselves not even a language. as a base for a mod they are an excellent addition for any faction and are on par with the mongols in this respect as regards units avaliable. there are a few books out there regarding the huns and there allies and enemies. also battles campaigns and conquests. like the mongols they are another much maligned group in regards to there attitudes and way of life and conduct in war. unluckly the only accounts we have off these people come from sources other than the huns the themselves. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[.:vVv:.Monkey]

Quote[/b] (jimmy @ Feb. 29 2004,05:14)]if you think about it the huns were a product of the roman empire if they had not supplied attila with the means to maintain an army. [namely money ]the huns would have not been the force they became. of course on attilas death they vanished as quickly as they grew in power. also they left no books or personal accounts of themselves not even a language. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Jimmy, there's a lot of information about the Huns from the Chinese sources. The Huns did not appear out of the blue to harass the Romans. Long before they knocked on the doors of Rome, the Huns were in constant battle with the Chinese. The Chinese called them Hsiung-Nu and I am pretty sure they spoke a Central Asian Turkic dialect.

[Sociopsychoactive]

They also raded chinese lands, even breaking through the great wall of shina if I remember rightly, then burnt, raped, pilaged and had fun, all because the shiniese hadn't payed them what they promiced.

They also drafted chinese people into their armies as fodder, a line of slaves at the front to soak up arrows and blunt cavalry charges for example.

Most of the 'european' info about the huns was overestimated by quite a long way. If you see what appears to be a hoard of dog faced devils, your not going to say that ten of them killed your village, when saying 10,000 did it sounds far better.

[Dead Moroz]

Quote[/b] (.:vVv:.Monkey @ Mar. 02 2004,13:35)]The Huns did not appear out of the blue to harass the Romans. Long before they knocked on the doors of Rome, the Huns were in constant battle with the Chinese. The Chinese called them Hsiung-Nu and I am pretty sure they spoke a Central Asian Turkic dialect.
The part of nomad tribe that Chineses called Hsiung-Nu (or syunnu as we speak in Russian) in first century B.C. started to migrate west. They overpassed thousands of miles and when they came to Europe in IV century A.D. they were not that Hsiung-Nu which China knew. Because they included many tribes which lands they passed through. And don't forget that almost 4 centuries passed since Huns left their Fatherland - every language tend to change with time, especially under the strong influence of other languages.

We do not know what language Hsiung-Nu really spoke. There are different theories. The main one is about Turkic basis of Hsiung-Nu language because Hsiung-Nu were ancestors of Turks. The other popular theory contend that Hsiung-Nu had Yeniseinian/Ketian (I don't know how to write it right in English) language. Some scientists think that language of Hsiung-Nu was unique.

The more unclear question is about Hun's language. I'read somewhere that they had 2 languages - first for common people and the second for aristocracy.

[jimmy]

Quote[/b] (.:vVv:.Monkey @ Mar. 02 2004,13:35)]
Quote[/b] (jimmy @ Feb. 29 2004,05:14)]if you think about it the huns were a product of the roman empire if they had not supplied attila with the means to maintain an army. [namely money ]the huns would have not been the force they became. of course on attilas death they vanished as quickly as they grew in power. also they left no books or personal accounts of themselves not even a language. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Jimmy, there's a lot of information about the Huns from the Chinese sources. The Huns did not appear out of the blue to harass the Romans. Long before they knocked on the doors of Rome, the Huns were in constant battle with the Chinese. The Chinese called them Hsiung-Nu and I am pretty sure they spoke a Central Asian Turkic dialect.
thats the problem with history everyone is dependant on and lot of the time historical inacuaracys. the point i made regards the huns is they were a tribal people so to say that the emanaiate from the same source is untrue. the number of nomadic tribes on the chinese border or those that inhabitided the mongolian plateau or what languages they spoke is open to question. no one can decided to which tribe the mongols originate from it could be the xionugu maybe the same group as the huns[xiongnu]?. donghu who consist of many subgroups shiwei/xianbei/wuhuan the tufan ormengwu/shiwei/or menwu shiwei this is the problem faced as these are many of the names the mongols relating to genghis were known as to the chinese.as one group assimiallated another then became assimaliated the various groups would be infused with differant blood.as to the romans contrubiting to there own downfall like you said there are many books regarding this period but the main view is as long as the romans provided attila with the means to support his army[tribute in the form off gold]this is what enabled him to keep his grip on power this was not the only deciding factor there are others but the main one.
whoever was in constant battle with chinese is open to question as regards which tribe or nomadic group was at the pinnacle at the time. you are right that there was constant war between the hans and non hans but we cant be sure to which tribe or group they belonged to or if they were tunguisic/turkic or tiebtan speaking.?