GOLDEN HORDE campaign

[Hans Kloss]

1 million apologises as I have no doubts this has been answer before but I have question...how exactly do I make Golden Horde playable faction?I did follow someone's tut before which resulted in not being able to launch MTW VI.Working links to tutorials will be very much appreciated.
Also it there a way of importing STW files like units and maps?

[Seven.the.Hun]

hello there, check my posts in the dungeon about mongols, i put in most of the mongol/pagan work i've done there...and as to importing units from one game to another, i'm exploring this a bit as i dont know but i would like to, i know its been done...check out barocca's work, his STWmod beta uses the japan map and the medieval engines churning...plenty of the samurai units there, play it or take a look at it, superb stuff...anyway good luck

[Seven.the.Hun]

by the way, welcome to org http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Hans Kloss]

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Thank you ...you would not happend to have links to these topics?
BTW I did download some sort of campaign creator but I guess it is still in the beta stage (run time errors).Also for some reason I keep having problems with launching MTW when using downloaded custom battles or campaings.It might be something simple but again I'm quite new to all these..

[Seven.the.Hun]

no prob, just look for my name in alchemist lab for the mongol/pagan info i put there...its a work in progress too for peeps who wanna mod crap around and eventually create their own 'mods' as i do...so i hope it helps... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Seven.the.Hun]

loading problems i have had have always been simple text errors in like perhaps startpos, or crusader_unit or build...where there is a simply comma, or letter or some such nonsense left out and missed,
however good to catch this problem, as u then can doublecheck stuff and learn more... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Have a look there (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/).

Down the page, you'll find a couple of Hord savegames to start a hord Campaign right from the start

If you want to start your own HORDE campaign, then, I'll suggest using -ian instead of moding.

here are the steps

1/ add -ian to your starting mtw command line; this is a debug mode with unlimited view, and a few other feature, including changing faction in game
2/ start a high game with whomever
3/ comes 1232, press shift+6, and voila, you are the Golden Hord

Louis,

[katank]

also, have you tried changing the GH entry in the starpos files to FT_MAJOR instead of FT_MINOR in the set active factions section?

the -ian thing is easier though.

[Hans Kloss]

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Thank you all kindly for you help.

[Seven.the.Hun]

no prob http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Hans Kloss]

Well...following some guides I did change few things around managed to play Golden Horde campaign.As being new to MTW I found it a bit challenging.No emissaries,assassins,princesses.
Takes so long to be able to raise Heavy Mongol Cavalry.I was not doing to bad until most of my general rebelled against me.

My question would be: how can Mongol's religion plus culture be change from Pagan to Muslim ?
Changing SetCulture:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE PAGAN_CULTURE and SetReligion:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE REL_PAGAN only resulted in CTD.

[katank]

why do you want to change religion to muslim?

if you want to do so because of religious incompatibility, use gnome to have GH units have an influence on religion. This is able to overcome the lack of religious agents.

Also, you can mod in pagan shrine and sacrificial altar form the vik. campaign into the main one and make those available to the horde.

BTW, why do you need to build GHC? your starting units should be enough for a very long time and you probly don't have enough to afford any anyhow due to crippling support.

How did you get generals rebelling against you? I think all of them have very high loyalty and your khan should have max influence in beating the snot out of any faction that crosses you. Heck, I think you can take on the Turks, the Byz, and the Russians all at once and win.

If you have civil war problems, try puttin high command, low loyalty generalss apart from a stack and move them that way along with the stack and don't enable auto tidying up of stacks.

this way, your not so loyal general would still command battles but wouldn't have huge following if he goes against you.

without stack, he usually doesn't anyhow.

[mercian billman]

Download the newest medmod the horde is available (I've yet to play a GH campaign) in the late era I believe.

[Qilue]

I managed to make them playable from early and complete with buildings and some additional units. However, due to a lack of interest and a possible 9mb download, I never uploaded this mod.

[jimmy]

Quote[/b] (Qilue @ Mar. 12 2004,22:00)]I managed to make them playable from early and complete with buildings and some additional units. However, due to a lack of interest and a possible 9mb download, I never uploaded this mod.
how much tweaking was required and did you use gnome editor or something else to acomplish this.?
also how long did it take to make the mongols playable in early any advice tips please. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Seven.the.Hun]

mongols in early? hmm, well havent tried, but i wonder, what happened when 1231 rolled around???

[Qilue]

Quote[/b] (Seven.the.Hun @ Mar. 15 2004,10:32)]mongols in early? hmm, well havent tried, but i wonder, what happened when 1231 rolled around???
Since the horde was already in the game, no new horde appeared.

This is the list of changes I made.

Added/copied files where appropiate

\campmap\pieces\units\pagan
renamed army_leader_waiting.Buf to army_leader_awaiting.Buf

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crusader_build_prod13.txt

COLLEGE_OF_SURGEONS column 4 ,UNIQUE column 7 ,{CASTLE13,STONECIRCLE} column 15 ,PAGAN
MILITARY_ACADEMY column 4 ,UNIQUE column 7 ,{CASTLE13,STONECIRCLE} column 15 ,PAGAN
CHANCELLERY column 15 ,PAGAN
CONSTABLES_PALACE column 15 ,PAGAN
MARSHALS_PALACE column 15 ,PAGAN
ADMIRALTY column 15 ,PAGAN

PAGAN_SHRINE, added, copy of church, column 17 UPGRADE_MORALE(2) column22 0.2
STONE_CIRCLE, added, copy of cathedral, column 17 UPGRADE_MORALE(2) column22 0.4

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crusaders_unit_prod11.txt

MortarCrew, Added column 54 ,PAGAN
DemicannonCrew, Added column 54 ,PAGAN
SiegecannonCrew, Added column 54 ,PAGAN
Peasants, Removed column 50 ,GOLDEN_HORDE
MuslimPeasants, Added column 50 ,GOLDEN_HORDE column 54 ,PAGAN
Spy, Added column 54 ,PAGAN
Assassin, Added column 54 ,PAGAN
Emissary, Added column 54 ,PAGAN

GoldenHordeHorseArchers, Size 60, available ALL_PERIODS, column 11 ,PAG_LOYALISTS(-10)
GoldenHordeHeavyCavalry, Size 60, available ALL_PERIODS, Dismount to GoldenHordeHeavyInfantry, no longer royal unit, column 11 ,PAG_LOYALISTS(-10)
GoldenHordeWarriors, Removed building reqs, available ALL_PERIODS, changed missle to LONG, Def 1, Honour 4, column 11 ,PAG_LOYALISTS(-10)
GoldenHordeHeavyInfantry, added, copy of JanissaryHeavyInfantry, cost 525, maint 8, removed building reqs, available ALL_PERIODS, changed to standard infantry speed, reduced honour to 6, preferred rows (3), PAGAN culture, column 11 ,PAG_LOYALISTS(-10)
KeshikCavalry, added, copy of SipahiofthePorte, available ALL_PERIODS, maintenance 18, changed to royal unit, same building reqs, dismount to GoldenHordeHeavyInfantry, cannot dismount, PAGAN culture, column 11 ,PAG_LOYALISTS(-10)

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Early.txt

//Active Factions
SetActiveFaction:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE FT_MINOR

//Starting Treasury
SetTreasury:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE 10000 8000 6000 4000

//Region Owners
SetRegionOwner:: ID_KHAZAR FN_GOLDEN_HORDE
SetRegionOwner:: ID_VOLGA_BULGARIA FN_GOLDEN_HORDE

//Faction Offices
AddOffice:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE royal_palace Guardian of the Khan's Gold
AddOffice:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE constables_palace Commander of the Keshik
AddOffice:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE marshals_palace Khan of the Western Tumans
AddOffice:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE chancellery Gatherer of the Tributes
AddOffice:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE admiralty Khan of the Great Waters
AddOffice:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE cathedral Archbishop of Khazar

//Place Faction Leaders
SetStartLeader:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

PlaceLeader:: ID_KHAZAR FN_GOLDEN_HORDE

AddHeir:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE 1 12
AddHeir:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE 1 11
AddHeir:: FN_GOLDEN_HORDE 1 8

//Buildings
MakeBuilding:: ID_KHAZAR Town_watch
MakeBuilding:: ID_KHAZAR Bowyer
MakeBuilding:: ID_KHAZAR Spearmaker

//Create Unit
changed to 6 of
MakeUnit:: ID_KHAZAR GoldenHordeHorseArchers 60
changed to 6 of
MakeUnit:: ID_VOLGA_BULGARIA GoldenHordeHorseArchers 60

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Descriptions.txt

[GoldenHordeHeavyInfantry_desc]
{Golden Horde Heavy Infantry are the capable, disciplined elite of Mongol armies with a fearsome reputation. These heavy shock troops are supposed to batter a way through enemy armies so that others can pour through the gap. They are heavily armoured and armed with polearms that give them an advantage in close combat.}
[KeshikCavalry_desc]
{The Keshik Cavalry is the elite Mongol royal bodyguard. Their combination of mail, armoured horses, sword and bow make them powerful foes, but their vigorous training makes them truly impressive The Great Khan and royal Princes all command small Keshik units. Raising extra Keshik Cavalry is expensive.}

[Stonecircle_desc]
{A physical and spirital center for pagans everywhere. It's a simple structure made by placing magical stones in a circular shape. Mystical and supernatural events should happen in this circle, particularilly one performed by shamen. It allows pagans to congregate just as Catholics, Orthodoxes, and Muslims can.}
[Stonehenge_desc]
{An impressive structure made of huge moniliths that are required to have been dragged at least 500 miles before being erected in a huge circle. The pagan following is greatly increased with construction. It will stand as a testimonial to your greatness, and will be visited by Japanese tourists for years to come.}

[Stonecircle_Completed] {Stonecircle Completed.}
[Stonehenge_Completed] {Stonehenge Completed.}

[Stonecircle_Destroyed] {Stonecircle Destroyed.}
[Stonehenge_Destroyed] {Stonehenge Destroyed.}

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Events.txt


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names.txt

[GoldenHordeHeavyInfantry_Singular] {Mongol Heavy Infantryman}
[KeshikCavalry_Singular] {Keshik Cavalryman}

[GoldenHordeHeavyInfantry_Plural] {Mongol Heavy Infantry}
[KeshikCavalry_Plural] {Keshik Cavalry}

[Guardian of the Khan's Gold] {Guardian of the Khan's Gold}
[Commander of the Keshik] {Commander of the Keshik}
[Khan of the Western Tumans] {Khan of the Western Tumans}
[Gatherer of the Tributes] {Gatherer of the Tributes}
[Khan of the Great Waters] {Khan of the Great Waters}

[Stonecircle] {Stonecircle}
[Stonehenge] {Stonehenge}

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ToolTip.txt

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Variables.txt

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Some of the changes I made aren't historically accurate and some rebalancing needs to be done. The high faith propigation of the religious buildings was to offset the lack of priests. After some research, there was no clear religious figure in mongol society which was one of the most religiously tolerant in history.

I edited these files using Editpad (http://www.editpadlite.com/) or Wordpad. Mostly because I'm used to editing tab delimited text files this way.

[jimmy]

more like radical surgery than a tweak http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .
how long to alter everthing and any problems encountered. editpad wordpad? i find i make to many mistakes in regards to the column alignment for some of the changes thanx for your detailed reply do you mind if i print it off please.

seven.the.hun hows the mod/mods doing i have secret history of the mongols[translated by cleaves. genghis khan world conqueror by ata-malik juvanini.genghis khan or emperor of al men harold lamb. and genghis khan michel hoang. if you require any info regards minor officers/generals there are a few mentioned in these books. i also have history of china.land of genghis khan the rise and fall of the nation states in chinas northern frontiers. also various books on medievial warfare/crusades and military books on the middle east and late byzantium 1081-1204-1453. and a few osprey titles with plates. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Qilue]

Jimmy, could I email you the files?

If so, 1.1 or VI and in what compression method? (I can only decompress .rar)

paganmtw.ace - 3,507,562
paganmtw.zip - 4,943,772
paganmtw.7z - 3,731,210

paganvi.ace - 3,535,954
paganvi.zip - 4,996,340
paganvi.7z - 3,759,438

[Seven.the.Hun]

ok, that seems to make sense, i see, just never tried an early golden horde thing, so there is no re re appearance or whatever, that's cool, might try it out, as i normally duke out mongols in the high as i got all that nonsense working there...
eh well, anyway, who cares, another round for the pagans
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[jimmy]

Quote[/b] (Qilue @ Mar. 15 2004,15:16)]Jimmy, could I email you the files?

If so, 1.1 or VI and in what compression method? (I can only decompress .rar)

paganmtw.ace - 3,507,562
paganmtw.zip - 4,943,772
paganmtw.7z - 3,731,210

paganvi.ace - 3,535,954
paganvi.zip - 4,996,340
paganvi.7z - 3,759,438
version 2 vi installed i use winzip for decompressed files.is there anyway i can send email private please. without me having to post my address on the site. thanx for the kind offer i assume you just swap early startpos in the campaign for your mongol version? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

sent private message http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

by the way hes a link to free programming/editing tools etc

http://www.thefreecountry.com/programming/index.shtml

i have posted this site before but some people might of missed it

[Qilue]

Message received and email sent.

Kind of. I've added a description what needs to be done to get it running. Unless you've set up a new install of VI, you might want to backup a few files.

I setup some heroes too (forgot to add that) but they might need a little rebalancing too. ;)

EDIT
The startpos file for high era is a test file. With a little bit of editing it could easily be used though.

[katank]

this sounds really interesting.

I would love to try it.

any chance of you posting it to the org filespace?

[jimmy]

quile got the message but no email unless it was returned. to you because of size of attachment? can you confirm please http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif


ps did you check the link to free tools?

[Qilue]

Katank - I wasn't planning on it. This mod is kind of rough in that it overwrites quite a few files and doesn't have much of readme.

I was able to down size it a bit and split it into 3 zip files under 2048kbytes to fit into the org's upload limit. Of course there's only 15 portraits each for spies. assassins and emissaries now.

EDIT
files uploaded
/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/TEST_qilue_horde1.zip
/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/TEST_qilue_horde2.zip
/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/TEST_qilue_horde3.zip

EDIT2
Jimmy - Yes, it bounced, I checked the email size and it was 6444 kbytes which is somewhat above the attachment size for hotmail. I did check the link although there wasn't much I could use. :/

[jimmy]

Qilue no problems cheers for the reply though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

were have you uploaded it to? i usually use the files at the top of the page to download etc but it says it has reached its bandwidth limit. as the other download site were mods/maps/tools etc is a pain the arse.

[Qilue]

Here

http://www.totalwar.org/Downloa....de1.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/TEST_qilue_horde1.zip)
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloa....de2.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/TEST_qilue_horde2.zip)
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloa....de3.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWbeta/TEST_qilue_horde3.zip)

[jimmy]

cheers for that sorted it now. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

PS were you not tempted to alter the treasury and projectile stats.?