View Full Version : Valor display on the battlefield...
Kristaps
02-28-2004, 17:58
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yeah, after a year of playing MTW, I still discover new things (for me...) :) up until recently, I was not sure how the AI archers always knew how to pick the highest valor militia sergeant unit from the 10 I had on the battlefield to pepper with arrows...
well, the other day, it struck me, that the number of little flags (not the big unit banner), a unit carries, actually matches the unit's battlefield valor rating... probably, everyone here knows that already (stupid me...), but maybe somebody new to the game finds this info valuable.
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actually I didn't know this.
BTW, if due to vices, you have an unit with negative valour, how many flags does it carry? funny if there were negative flags http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif
That isnt that bad. Yesterday i finally found out what the spacebar does while moving troops. lol
OK - you got me; what does pressing the spacebar do while moving troops?
Quote[/b] (Simon Appleton @ Feb. 28 2004,18:26)]OK - you got me; what does pressing the spacebar do while moving troops?
It shows a 'ghost unit' at the destination of the unit. This does not always work, but I don't know why. I believe it has something to do with the units you have selected.
Quote[/b] (Ludens @ Feb. 28 2004,10:57)]
Quote[/b] (Simon Appleton @ Feb. 28 2004,18:26)]OK - you got me; what does pressing the spacebar do while moving troops?
It shows a 'ghost unit' at the destination of the unit. This does not always work, but I don't know why. I believe it has something to do with the units you have selected.
It seems to me that there are three times when pressing the spacebar will not show you the ghost image of a unit at its destination:
if the unit has been sent to attack another unit (in other words you have selected on of your units, then clicked on an enemy unit).
if the units is essentially at its destination. I use alt-click to command units so that when they get to their new location they will face the same way asthey were at their last location. This imeans that when they get to their new location they wheel around. During the time they are close or wheeling the ghost doesn't show.
if the unit is routing.
ichi
I am afraid that is not true Ichi. I have seen cases in which an entire army was moving, but when I pressed space bar I did not see any ghosts on their destination.
BTW you do get a ghost when you order an unit attack an enemy. The ghost will appear on the enemy unit.
Sociopsychoactive
02-28-2004, 22:29
Actually, when you press space it shows you a 'ghost' unti at the destination for all your selected units, whether they are attacking or not. The ghost is often mingled with another unit, or the enemy unit it;s targetted on, and hard to see.
This is invaluable when trying to move your army in formation, as you can line em up before they get there, and have em arrive perfectly.
For those who don't know alt+left click makes the unit face that direction. VERY usefull when your units are routing and you need the rallied ones to turn and hold off the attackers for long enough to get your re-enforcements on. They turn, they stand, they fight when units come to them, rather than turning them by targetting an enemy unit and have your spearmen in no sort of formation.
Also, if you press shift while a unit is selected, it will show what they are targetted on wih a little flag, like a unit flag. This is good if your archers are mucking about and you want to check they are attacking the right people.
Quote[/b] (Ludens @ Feb. 28 2004,13:51)]I am afraid that is not true Ichi. I have seen cases in which an entire army was moving, but when I pressed space bar I did not see any ghosts on their destination.
BTW you do get a ghost when you order an unit attack an enemy. The ghost will appear on the enemy unit.
Check again Ludens and Psycho. I have actually tested this (in Custom battles) and found that if an enemy unit is marching toward you and you send a unit to charge that unit, there will be no ghost.
I'll post screenies.
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ichi
Sociopsychoactive
02-29-2004, 00:42
Ichi is right, however. If the unit has even one man actually at the destination (often the case when a scattered unit is told to form up) then no ghost will appear. Same for when attacking, if even one man is actually engaged (I'm not at all sure, but charging may count as engaged) then no shost will appear, but I;ve ofter seen a ghost of my unit slapped over theirs.
Oh, and obviously no ghost if it;s routing, it;s destination is off the map. Same goes for withdrawing.
you have to click on the unit to see the ghost. if you dont click on the unit you ordered then there will be no ghost.
if you group em all however then all of them will have ghosts. if you only group a couple only a couple will have ghosts. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif
HopAlongBunny
02-29-2004, 03:44
Quote[/b] (Kristaps @ Feb. 28 2004,10:58)]http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
yeah, after a year of playing MTW, I still discover new things (for me...) :) up until recently, I was not sure how the AI archers always knew how to pick the highest valor militia sergeant unit from the 10 I had on the battlefield to pepper with arrows...
well, the other day, it struck me, that the number of little flags (not the big unit banner), a unit carries, actually matches the unit's battlefield valor rating... probably, everyone here knows that already (stupid me...), but maybe somebody new to the game finds this info valuable.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
OMG The flags aren't anything new to me, but I never thought that maybe the AI can see them too...and that's why its archers are always creaming my best units.
Thank you for enlightening me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Quote[/b] (Ky Kiske @ Feb. 28 2004,19:28)]you have to click on the unit to see the ghost. if you dont click on the unit you ordered then there will be no ghost.
if you group em all however then all of them will have ghosts. if you only group a couple only a couple will have ghosts. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif
Gah
ichi doesn't like to disagree, but twice in this thread it has happened. Ky it is not necessary to click on a unit to see a ghost. Try it, if you click on a unit and order it to move, then click on another unit, the spacebar will still show the first unit ghost. This also works for groups.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/ichighost1.jpg
This screenie shows a unit of FMAA moving right, with the ghost shown on the far right. That's the destination of the unit, shown when the spacebar is pressed
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/ichighost2.jpg
The unit reaches the destination - the spacebar is depressed (you have to trust me, or go test it yourself) but no ghost is shown, as Sociopsychoactive said, since the unit is at the location. The men are reorganizing to face the propoer direction.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/ichighost3.jpg
Finally, the unit on the left has been ordered to attack the enemy unit top left, which is charging. Again, you must trust me that the spacebar is depressed. No ghost is showing.
lol, sorry about totally hijacking your thread on unit banners.
ichi
so um, what exactly is the argument here?
that if you attack the enemy there wont be a ghost image?
yeah sorry for hijacking thread :p
Quote[/b] (Ky Kiske @ Feb. 28 2004,21:33)]so um, what exactly is the argument here?
that if you attack the enemy there wont be a ghost image?
yeah sorry for hijacking thread :p
Exactly, that if you send a unit at an enemy unit there will be no ghost image if you press the spacebar.
Also, it is not necessary to click on a unit or unit group to see the ghost. Pressing the spacebar will show you the ghosts of all your units at their destinations.
ichi
well heres a shot of valor4 w3 a3 Lancers n CMAA attacking valor4 nubian spearmen.
screen 001 (http://www.bonedaddy.net/Scion86/mtw_004.jpg)
screen 002 (http://www.bonedaddy.net/Scion86/mtw_005.jpg)
as you can see there is a ghost image, i clicked on one of em and i just press/hold spacebar to see the ghost image.
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OMFG i just noticed something. kristaps your right the flags do tell how many valors you have, look at those nubian spearmen. they have the big flag then they have 4 smaller ones. crazzzzzzy
Ky Kiske, those two links redirect to the same screenshot.
I think that Ichi uses a different graphic card, or different settings for his graphic card than us. This seems to me the most logical explanation for our different observations. BTW I have seen ghosts from attacking units since STW.
Very interesting. I'm running MTW VI 2.01. Are you all in VI?
There has to be a logical explanation.
ichi
ok thx, i edited it. should work now.
also my gfx card is quite old. its an s3 gfx card or something, its basically nonexistant o.o coz im using a laptop to play game.
edit: played it on VI too.
ChaosShade
02-29-2004, 19:17
sorry this is kind of off topic but are you the same Ichi that plays The Specialists Ichi?
Perhaps there is a difference between 'marching to attack' and 'attacking'.
Quote[/b] ]it is not necessary to click on a unit to see a ghost
Not always, but as I said: sometimes I had most of my units moving without seeing any ghosts at the point I had just directed them to (it might be that there were ghosts of reserves or flankers). Selecting the entire army made the ghosts appear. Deselecting everything did that too I recall, but I am not certain about that.
Neither am I sure that this always happened.
I have VI, latest patch. My graphics card is a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 (driver version 5.1.2.6) and I use Windows XP for both MTW and STW. Both Windows and DirectX are up to date, but I don't know about the driver of my GeForce. I thought about updating it, but the NVidia site offered about a dozen of different updates and I couldn't find out which applied to my graphics card.
Sociopsychoactive
02-29-2004, 19:56
Quote[/b] (Sociopsychoactive @ Feb. 28 2004,23:42)](I'm not at all sure, but charging may count as engaged)
You may well not get a ghost when the unit is chaging (or rather attacking) but I always see them when they are merely marching, or marching quickly.
I see ghost when my units is ordered meelee attacking, but not when ordered shooting
Quote[/b] (Ludens @ Feb. 28 2004,14:51)]I am afraid that is not true Ichi. I have seen cases in which an entire army was moving, but when I pressed space bar I did not see any ghosts on their destination.
BTW you do get a ghost when you order an unit attack an enemy. The ghost will appear on the enemy unit.
Sometimes it happens when you order your units to move, and while they're moving you order them to move together to a different location, say several yards ahead of where you first ordered them. If you tell them to move to the new location while all of them are still moving, they will end up going much further than you wanted them, so the ghost will appear there, instead of where you wanted them....if you get what I mean.
And I too see Ghost images of units when I tell them to attack. They are in formation, right at the edge of the unit they are attacking.
Quote[/b] (ChaosShade @ Feb. 29 2004,11:17)]sorry this is kind of off topic but are you the same Ichi that plays The Specialists Ichi?
No, I've never played The Specialist.
So its not a MTW/VI version thing. How odd. What this really opens up for me is that there are different things happening to different people. I wonder what else is dependant on your video card or whatever.
Really odd. Gah I feel sort of left out since others get the ghosts but I don't. :(
Back on topic, how about those little banners that tell you about valor
ichi
ichi do you ever see a sort of flag over the enemy unit you are going to attack? Like if I have a specific unit selected, and I just told them to attack, I can see a red flag over the unit they are going to attack. I forgot what you have to press, shift maybe? And about the valour flags, remember if a unit has less men than they have valour, you won't see all the flags. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif Thats more for SP though.
In my experience having any unit selected will show ghost images of all your other moving units. You do not have to have all you units selected to see all your units' ghost images. However, having no units selected (Enter) means no ghost images.
R'as al Ghul
03-01-2004, 12:14
I'm just wondering, may there be a reason for
not putting the flag-issue in the manual?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif
Why don't we get all the information needed?
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This is ridiculous http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
But good to know http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
Kristaps
03-01-2004, 15:54
Quote[/b] (Aelwyn @ Mar. 01 2004,00:15)]And about the valour flags, remember if a unit has less men than they have valour, you won't see all the flags. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif Thats more for SP though.
hehehe, I was imagining a valor 15 single knight carrying a bucket full of flags...
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif
Actually, they should introduce some valor penalty for this extra weight...
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kawligia
03-01-2004, 16:17
Well the flags are new to me...thanks guys.
Quote[/b] (Aelwyn @ Mar. 01 2004,04:56)]Sometimes it happens when you order your units to move, and while they're moving you order them to move together to a different location, say several yards ahead of where you first ordered them. If you tell them to move to the new location while all of them are still moving, they will end up going much further than you wanted them, so the ghost will appear there, instead of where you wanted them....if you get what I mean.
I do. This problem arises when using alt-click to order a unit to move, and then alt-clicking again before the unit stopped moving. Because if this I always press backspace before using alt-click.
Quote[/b] (Aelwyn @ Feb. 29 2004,23:15)]ichi do you ever see a sort of flag over the enemy unit you are going to attack? Like if I have a specific unit selected, and I just told them to attack, I can see a red flag over the unit they are going to attack. I forgot what you have to press, shift maybe?
Ael: Nope, I don't think so. Look at the screenies I posted in page 1 and tell me if you see anything (each of the 3 screenies is with spacebar pressed).
I've always known the game was bugged, but now I am too
ichi
Sociopsychoactive
03-03-2004, 15:20
When you have a unit selected and press shift, a small flag (like a none general unit leader flag) will appear where they are targetted, whether that is to move, to attack or to flee to. Archers ect get a flagf on who they are firing on, melee ect get a flag on the unit they targetted, all units get a flag where they are told to move to. Only works if the unit is seleceted and shift is pressed. Found this one out while zooming the camera around, shift speeds up camera movement speed aswell.
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